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US barrels toward a fiscal cliff
MSN Money ^ | 4/18/2012 | Anthony Mirhaydari

Posted on 04/19/2012 1:40:19 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper

For all the well-paid analysts and sophisticated computer systems that dominate trading, Wall Street still can't seem to focus on more than one thing at a time.For now, the focus has returned to the European debt crisis, as the issues that cut down Greece, Portugal and Ireland have hit Spain hard.

But very soon, as Election Day approaches, the attention will turn back to U.S. debt and deficit issues, which, as in Spain, are caused by too much debt and a government trying to avoid its budget-cutting duties. Remember last summer's debt-ceiling debacle and the market meltdown caused partly by the loss of the Treasury's AAA credit rating? Get ready for the sequel. (Snip)

Economic research suggests both higher debt and deep short-term austerity limit economic growth. So we can pick our poison. (Snip)

A decision on all of these issues -- the deficit, the debt ceiling, tax cuts and unemployment benefits -- will need to be made in the context of a fierce, polarized presidential election, the lame-duck congressional session that will follow and an even-more-divided government in 2013. Prediction markets suggest President Barack Obama will win re-election and Republicans will hold the House and retake the Senate. (Snip)

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Jim Robinson and FreeRepublic could make it possible to paint a completly different picture.

1 posted on 04/19/2012 1:40:21 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper
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To: Vintage Freeper; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; Cen-Tejas; sport; MWS; seekthetruth; Liz; ForGod'sSake; ..
Prior to 1964, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life as a New Deal Democrat. Ronald Reagan changed.

Mitt Romney can change too. Who can convince him to change?

Charles Koch, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul for starters.

How?

FreeRepublic's Plan For Taking Our Country Back

2 posted on 04/19/2012 1:42:30 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper

Couldn’t agree more....however... Romney is this outfit’s (http://www.baincapital.com/) “front man” on their quest for the keys to the US Treasury.

Reagan was his own man.

Romney changes...we’ll all find him out on his a$% freezing on the tundra north of Wasila....courtesy his keepers at Bain.


3 posted on 04/19/2012 1:54:00 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
So much attention on doing the big things, that we forget this country was built on people doing lots and lots of little things that, combined, made us great. In the context of the Federal budget, we could whittle away at many spending line items, to lower the outgo a bit at a time. Make do with a couple fewer bureaucrats in each agency. Find the deadwood, cut them out. Find the slackers, especially those who brag about how they coast through the work day, and show them the door.

I applaud Obama for thinking how to get people off the unemployment rolls (although I quibble about the details of his plan). We are in a downward spiral because we have fewer and fewer producers, which means the overall gross national income falls because too many people suck the economic life out of the GDI (gross domestic income). Fewer spenders, less demand for goods and services, fewer workers, even fewer spenders, continued dropping demand, and you circle the drain. Put a stopper in the drain, and you will see demand rise, more workers, more spenders, and we're back on a growth path.

Government isn't the engine. The country is the engine -- ALL of the country. And the sooner we get more people paying taxes because more people are employed, the better. The USA used to be the country that works because its citizens were workers. That isn't true today.

Maybe the right thing is to start whittling at the salaries of the people in Congress, including pension benefits. Whittle at the salaries in the White House, too. Tie their earnings and their payouts to results, like stockholders are now doing to CEO pay.

The state leve? There, too.

4 posted on 04/19/2012 1:58:46 PM PDT by asinclair (Everybody works, everybody pays.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
So much attention on doing the big things, that we forget this country was built on people doing lots and lots of little things that, combined, made us great. In the context of the Federal budget, we could whittle away at many spending line items, to lower the outgo a bit at a time. Make do with a couple fewer bureaucrats in each agency. Find the deadwood, cut them out. Find the slackers, especially those who brag about how they coast through the work day, and show them the door.

I applaud Obama for thinking how to get people off the unemployment rolls (although I quibble about the details of his plan). We are in a downward spiral because we have fewer and fewer producers, which means the overall gross national income falls because too many people suck the economic life out of the GDI (gross domestic income). Fewer spenders, less demand for goods and services, fewer workers, even fewer spenders, continued dropping demand, and you circle the drain. Put a stopper in the drain, and you will see demand rise, more workers, more spenders, and we're back on a growth path.

Government isn't the engine. The country is the engine -- ALL of the country. And the sooner we get more people paying taxes because more people are employed, the better. The USA used to be the country that works because its citizens were workers. That isn't true today.

Maybe the right thing is to start whittling at the salaries of the people in Congress, including pension benefits. Whittle at the salaries in the White House, too. Tie their earnings and their payouts to results, like stockholders are now doing to CEO pay.

The state level? There, too.

5 posted on 04/19/2012 1:59:14 PM PDT by asinclair (Everybody works, everybody pays.)
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To: asinclair

The only problem? As the US has offshored (outsourced) jobs over the last 40+ years, the Government stepped in to pick up the slack. That was the easy, popular thing to do, but it was also a vicious cycle. We are close to the tipping point now, and may even be over it. Unfortunately, the current generation of Politicians is too timid to break this pattern for a whole host of reasons, including social unrest. In fact, most politicians (including Obama) daydream how to create more clients. At this point, its impossible to seperate the financial from the political from the entitlement state—they are all part of one big, overheating machine. It will probably take a collapse of the whole system (worldwide, not just the US) to change things. The next 20 years won’t be pretty.


6 posted on 04/19/2012 2:19:04 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: asinclair
I applaud Obama for thinking how to get people off the unemployment rolls (although I quibble about the details of his plan).

I don't applaud him. Details matter. Creating government dependant class is a problem and you don't get people off the unemployment rolls by giving them unemployment benefits while they are actually working.http://news.yahoo.com/states-asked-apply-unemployment-test-plan-125932074.html
Obamanomics is the biggest disaster since Lord Keynes decided countries could spend/borrow/and print their way to prosperity.
7 posted on 04/19/2012 2:25:18 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Socialism: Just Say No!)
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To: Vintage Freeper; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks VF.


8 posted on 04/19/2012 2:51:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vintage Freeper

[ Mitt Romney can change too. Who can convince him to change? ]

I didn’t trust Reagan either..
You can take the democrat out of the party BUT its damned hard to remove the democrat from the democrat..

Residual stupidity remains.. If they had any sense they wouldn’t have even been democrats..
Democracy was, is and will always be Mob Rule by Mobsters..


9 posted on 04/19/2012 3:04:05 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Vintage Freeper

Why the hell would he change AFTER getting elected?


10 posted on 04/19/2012 3:11:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Vintage Freeper; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; Cen-Tejas; sport; MWS; seekthetruth; Liz; ForGod'sSake; ..

>> “Prior to 1964, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life as a New Deal Democrat. Ronald Reagan changed.” <<

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Prior to 1964 Ron Reagan worshipped Jesus Christ, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

Clearly, Mitt Romney does not. He has zero idea who YHWH is, who Ye’shua is, and he worships himself. He won’t change any more than W changed; he is like W the second, and we cannot survive that.


11 posted on 04/19/2012 3:39:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Vintage Freeper
Prior to 1964, Ronald Reagan spent most of his life as a New Deal Democrat. Ronald Reagan changed. Mitt Romney can change too. Who can convince him to change?

Ronald Reagan didn't change his views to fit the office he was running for. His was a natural progression. Mitt's progression is about as natural as a plate of Twinkies, and about as nutritious as well.

It is going to be a very, very, very hard sell that I can believe anything Mitt says. Because he has said the opposite when it suits him and his actions as governor were often utterly atrocious and an affront to conservatism.

12 posted on 04/19/2012 3:40:33 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Vintage Freeper

If you are now going to push Romney on this forum you can go back to hell and the land of ZOT!!

As the man said, Never, never get out of the boat!!

And never unzot a banned RINO!!


13 posted on 04/19/2012 3:43:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Clearly, Mitt Romney does not. He has zero idea who YHWH is, who Ye’shua is, and he worships himself.”

are you confusing Romney with BO? talk about self- worshipping. clearly, our current dear leader is only a pseudo-Christian at best.

“He won’t change any more than W changed; he is like W the second, and we cannot survive that.”

and you think that America as we know it can survive another 4 years of BO? funny, if you look at where we were at the end of George W. Bush’s term and where we are near the end of BO’s first term, i will take Bush’s outcome over BO’s any day. God save America.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 3:54:43 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: asinclair
"And the sooner we get more people paying taxes because more people are employed, the better. The USA used to be the country that works because its citizens were workers. That isn't true today."

It will be true again, after we starve every bipartisan, regulating, environmentalist, animal worshiping or otherwise politically correct, socialist tyrant out of government revenues (as debt without revenues only yields a quickly worthless currency). Political/regulator/busybody class folks will soon be nearly exclusive on their worthless plantation of debt.

In the meantime, it's illegal to drill/mine for energy, build, do repairs or manufacture things for them anyway (zoning/bribes, even in the middle of nowhere).


15 posted on 04/19/2012 3:55:04 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: editor-surveyor

INDEED.

. . . sigh.


16 posted on 04/19/2012 3:58:29 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: editor-surveyor
He won’t change any more than W changed; he is like W the second, and we cannot survive that.

W at least had a few core conservative values. I have seen none in Mitt.

17 posted on 04/19/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Vintage Freeper

I read your Executive Summary, and will digest the rest over the course of the next week or so. Thanks!


18 posted on 04/19/2012 5:09:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: IWONDR

I don’t know about you, but I am still looking for a solution, not just a Republican in charge of our demise.

Do you have an image in the mirror?


19 posted on 04/19/2012 10:01:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: dirtboy

W at least had some personal pride that tempered his destructive urges. Romney and Obama have no shame.
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20 posted on 04/19/2012 10:04:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Jim Robinson
No one is pushing or even recommending Mitt Romney. What you are seeing is a way to change Mitt Romney from what he is into something much closer to Ronald Reagan.

If freedom loving conservatives are to politically win back the country from socialists, we have to turn socialists into freedom loving capitalists. Ronald Reagan was smart enough and enough of a persistent student of history that he figured it out for himself. Not nearly enough people are like Ronald Reagan and able to figure it out for themselves; most will need help.

It is unlikely that you and I are going to convince Romney to change. But Charles Koch has the wherewithall to get Palin, Gingrich and the others together in a setting that will make if far more likely that Romney can actually be enlightened under the guidance of people who have already discovered the truth.

And it doesn't hurt that Romney is a reasonably skilled politician who wants the top job and he wants it in a setting where history says he is an underdog. With the right coaching, he can probably be convinced that his chances of winning are much higher if he can can convince conservatives like yourself and most Freepers to vote for him instead of passing on the race and letting Obama win by default.

I would be willing to bet you voted for McCain-Palin. If Charles Koch can make that scenario happen, there is the distinct possbility that Romney can be converted to a conservative that is genuinely well to the right of McCain by the time he has the nomination in hand and has named Palin as his running mate. With just a little more instruction and coaching, he might well be tranformed into something much closer to Ronald Reagan.

Nothing even remotely close to something like this is going to happen if Obama wins or Romney wins without Koch's and FreeRepublic's influence to pull him to the right where he would have the best chance of beating Obama. FreeRepublic will not help without your getting onboard. And I am pointedly not asking you to help Mitt Romney, I am asking you to help us get FreeRepublic's Plan into Charles Koch's hands. Koch has means and stature that he can bring to bear and that will allow the scenario I have outlined to actually have a chance to take place. Neither you, nor I, nor FreeRepublic can do what Mr. Koch can do, but Jim, you have the means to get FreeRepublic on board and FreeRepublic has the means to send enough messages or mail to Koch Industries that some of them will rise to the attention of Mr. Koch. After that it will be up to him to recognize just how politically powerful FreeRepublic's Plan can be. It carries the seeds that can grow into an instrument that makes it possible for us to get our freedom back and turn it back into a country run by We the people instead of a country run by the government.

21 posted on 04/20/2012 6:18:16 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper; All
Solution ...A turn back to former levels of spending prior to Obama becoming President. IE He has hired more than 50,000 employees for government agencies since coming to office.

Turn back spending in all areas and RESET to budgets prior to Obama and maybe before the last two years of Bush. Difficult ... there will be lots of crying and wild accusations, yet it is what it takes to return America to sound footing.

We will owe the monies we borrowed. Trillions it is said. Where did it go? Who has it? We have been raped and we are sitting still for it. Obama has big plans to become (what it is he really wants to do after his reelection). God help us.

Tyranny is not the path to allow. It will be painful. Cut waste, not in a going through the motions, but in really becoming effective with the best people we have on the jobs.

STOP IT DEAD IN IT'S Tracks NOW!!!

22 posted on 04/20/2012 8:43:58 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“he is like W the second, and we cannot survive that.”

I think you know the significance of my FReep handle. So I have a deep reason to disagree with you, but for another reason.

I look at W as parallel to the 7 year consulship of Marius, a proto-socialist whose policies badly degraded the Roman republic so that only a dictator could control all the INTENTIONALLY divided interests, particularly the deliberately increased number’s dependent upon the government providing for them.

In my view W was Marius lite, Bummer is Marius intense, and Bumney will be Marius consolidated. If there IS a Sulla who arises to defeat out all the principles and cronies in this fascist/Statist/Globalist cadre, he will not bring back the American republic in anything you or I wish it to be. He’d almost certainly be part of the plan of the Incrementalists who’ve insisted upon being called “Progressives” for over 100 years.

I am not completely disagreeing with you. Just consider all 3 — W, O, and R — as front men for the dismantling of constitutional limits on power.

Needless to say I’ve more analysis to back up this short synopsis. I don’t yet know what can be done about it outside of prayer. That was something the ancient roman republicans did not have as part of their culture because there were yet no Christianity.


23 posted on 04/20/2012 10:49:34 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: dirtboy; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; Cen-Tejas; sport; MWS; seekthetruth; Liz; ForGod'sSake; ...
"It is going to be a very, very, very hard sell that I can believe anything Mitt says."

That is understandable and everybody would have a right to be skeptical. But if Koch vouches for him, Palin vouches for him, and Newt plus the others vouch for him, the smart thing to do is believe and vote with the hope and expectation that Romney would live up to expectations because there are no other alternatives today that would even remotely offer any chance at all for turning the country around.

This is the best possible political deal in town. No one is going to put anything forward at this point that is credibly better or offers anything remotely close to the kind of potential this puts on the political table.

And even if Romney turned out to be a complete disappointment, it is still a better outcome than the alternatives. Why?

Having been Vice President, Sarah Palin's stature and presence in future elections will be compelling. It is not possible for me to believe the Democrats could ever find a credible opponent to run against her.

24 posted on 04/20/2012 11:56:12 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
...if Koch vouches for him, Palin vouches for him, and Newt plus the others vouch for him, the smart thing to do is believe and vote with the hope and expectation that Romney would live up to expectations

Sorry friend, but authority figures don't do my thinking for me. If our Republican luminaries want to sell out their convictions for a bunch of false promises from a demonstrated liberal, they're more than welcome to do so. They'll never have my support again.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 12:05:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla

In our lifetimes, only Kennedy and Reagan stand out for not setting out to destroy our republic. All of the others armed our enemies, and favored them in trade, while attacking the Christian basis of our culture.

The gross ugliness of Bush lies in the difference between what he pretended to be, and what he clearly was. We had no great expectations for Clinton, nor Obama.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 12:08:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; Cen-Tejas; sport; MWS; seekthetruth; Liz; ForGod'sSake; ..
"..I am still looking for a solution..."

Charles Koch has been looking for fifty years. Ben Franklin knew we were in trouble before the ink was dry on the Constitution; "A republic, if you can keep it," and every conservative since de Tocqueille, “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy.."

FreeRepublic has one. Perhaps you should examine it so you can stop wasting your time looking elsewhere and start working to advance the one we have.

27 posted on 04/20/2012 12:12:02 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
"..I am still looking for a solution..."

FreeRepublic has one. Perhaps you should examine it so you can stop wasting your time looking elsewhere and start working to advance the one we have.

You mean Vintage Freeper has a 'solution'. You directed me to the write-up on your home page the other day. Given that you appear to be advocating support for Mitt Romney, I don't feel compelled to study any 'solution' you might advance.

Perhaps you can summarize it here, and convince me to give it serious consideration.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 12:25:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Vintage Freeper

The Conservative Cause is clearly served by an Obama re-election rather than a Romney win.

A Right leaning/Conservative Congress can easily remain united behind an Obama re-election....whereas the same Congress will be sliced and diced by the RINOS if Romney is in the White House.

The Powers That Be fully understand this....


29 posted on 04/20/2012 12:30:19 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Windflier
"Sorry friend, but authority figures don't do my thinking for me."

How clearly are you thinking?

As it stands today, Obama or Romney is going to be the next President. For the sake of discussion, assume that God has ordained it that Obama is going to lose. As you see it now, Romney is a second class socialist as compared to Barak.

Even if Romney and the others made a complete fool out of you, you would still be still better off because of Palin's improved electability.

30 posted on 04/20/2012 12:35:59 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper

We’re not idiot battered wives who fall in love with a “dreamy” guy who’s a complete jerk but thinks we can change him if we “love him enough.”

Bush, Sr. fired all of Reagan’s people as soon as he won the presidency despite being there for 8 years as V.P. You can’t teach an old RINO new tricks. Palin won’t be allowed anywhere near a Romney administration.

As Rush explained on Greta a few months ago, the Republican party is not a conservative party. When a true conservative gets through it’s either by accident, by the grass roots fighting them the entire way there, or because they feel they have no alternative except bring in the conservative or they’ll lose the election.

A rubber stamped RINO president isn’t necessarily going to be any better for the country than a gridlocked Democrat president. Plus we get another chance in 4 years if Romney loses, but not for 8 years if he wins. And if he’s as popular as Ford or Bush, Sr., then he’ll simply pave the way for a return of Obama or another liberal president in 2016, and within that 4 years they’d have enough time to rebuild a majority in Congress and avoid all gridlock.


31 posted on 04/20/2012 12:48:53 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: mo
"The Powers That Be fully understand this.."

If the Reoublican Powers that be understood this..we wouldn't have the mess that we are in.

We had a consideraly less liberal Democrat (Clinton compared to Obama, and the most right leaning conservative Congress in seventy years and things got worse.

Don't confuse gridlock with actually electing a President and Congress that might actually have a chance to turn the tide. If Palin, Gingrich, Santorum and Paul are as bad as you seem to believe or imply, then why bother to vote at all because the US would be at the gates of hell.

32 posted on 04/20/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper

You go ahead and reward Romney for being a big money establishment pick that could care less about the people of the USA.

He is a failed politician that has spent a fortune to try and save his legacy. We the people of the USA are the least of his concerns.


33 posted on 04/20/2012 12:57:16 PM PDT by stevestras
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To: Vintage Freeper

“Palin, Gingrich, Santorum and Paul...”

If any of ‘em were on a ballot anywhere...I’d be happy to vote for them. Am not votin’ Romney. Period. End of Story.

the 1994 Republican Congress pulled Clinton far more right than Dole ever would have gone...and as a result the USA finances were considerably improved by 2000....

Same thing will happen this time around


34 posted on 04/20/2012 1:05:16 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This guy has been trying to convince anyone who will listen for the past couple years that he has designed THE ONE and ONLY roadmap for fixing America and the world. Funny enough if you're amused by delusions of grandeur, (not my cup of tea) but a little bit of his prattle goes a long, long way. Kind of like me...

8^D

35 posted on 04/20/2012 1:23:47 PM PDT by Gargantua ("A bruvvah gusta keep dat pimp-hand strong!.")
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To: Vintage Freeper
"Having been Vice President, Sarah Palin's..."

How clearly are you thinking? Good grief!

36 posted on 04/20/2012 1:27:52 PM PDT by Gargantua ("A bruvvah gusta keep dat pimp-hand strong!.")
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To: asinclair

Your Federal Government burns through 4 Billion of our dollars EVERY day.

Nibbling at the edges is out of the question!

Ponder this:

Government and Medicine do not mix.

All known Government Medical Programs have failed financially.

The US Federal Government is broke.

We cannot afford to allow ANY Government Medical “Entitlement” Program to continue, except for our Military Veterans.

It is all about the money.

After 80 years, the experiment of buying votes by promising “Entitlements” has ended in financial ruin for America.

The longer that the voters ignore the above facts, the greater the damage will be for America.

BTW, to test my assertions, just look into the eyes of your children and grandchildren, and then tell them that they will work a large portion of each of their workdays to pay for the failed Federal Entitlement Programs that we began.

It is all about the money, your grandchildren’s money.


37 posted on 04/20/2012 1:54:00 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: JediJones; stevestras; mo
I suspect that each of you are good solid well-meaning conservatives. Ronald Reagan, like most Christians, believed that there is some good in almost everybody. In contrast, Reagan was not blind to the truth, that most politicians whether liberal or conservative, are corrupt. If Republican politicians knew how, or really wanted to solve the problem of big government, they have had ample opportunity.

The United States is in decline. Using history as our guide, we might have fewer than five elections left, but if our problems are to be solved in time, they need to be addressed now.

The Reagan Wing is the solution to politicians. It is a way to recruit candidates cut from the same cloth as the Founders and made from the same mold as Ronald Reagan. It is too late for this election with the single exception of recruiting Romney to become part of the Reagan Wing.

38 posted on 04/20/2012 1:58:48 PM PDT by Vintage Freeper (We have it in our power to begin the world over again.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
Even if Romney and the others made a complete fool out of you, you would still be still better off because of Palin's improved electability.

Cut to the chase here. Are you suggesting a Romney/Palin ticket?

I don't see that happening, although I wouldn't put it past the Romney campaign to reach out to her as a VP choice. They're going to need someone who can help real conservatives to hold their noses and pull the lever for Romney.

If Palin accepts his offer, she will greatly diminish herself in my estimation. I, for one, would have a hard time ever trusting her again, if she ran with him.

39 posted on 04/20/2012 2:18:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
And even if Romney turned out to be a complete disappointment, it is still a better outcome than the alternatives.

Actually it's about the same and neither Romney nor Obama is desirable. Obama at least has some resistance from Republicans in Congress, but Romney? Romney would be able to push his projects through easily since he could get the support of Democrats and Republicans.
40 posted on 04/20/2012 2:24:10 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Vintage Freeper
But if Koch vouches for him, Palin vouches for him, and Newt plus the others vouch for him, the smart thing to do is believe and vote with the hope and expectation that Romney would live up to expectations because there are no other alternatives today that would even remotely offer any chance at all for turning the country around.

George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain all had respected people supporting them, and what did we get? Either losses to Democrats, or bigger, more powerful, more expensive, and more intrusive government.

Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain have done this country very little good, so it's time to stop listening to who others tell us to vote for, and it's time to start voting as Conservatives.
41 posted on 04/20/2012 2:27:53 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Vintage Freeper; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; Cen-Tejas; sport; MWS; seekthetruth; Liz; ForGod'sSake

>> “FreeRepublic has one. Perhaps you should examine it so you can stop wasting your time looking elsewhere and start working to advance the one we have.” <<

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You speak in smoke, mirrors, doubletalk, and fantasy.

You’re lost, hopelessly. You need to understand God’s Revelation to us. Spend more time in his word; its all there.


42 posted on 04/20/2012 2:38:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: af_vet_rr
Being a self-described "rabid conservative" I don't at all like Romney's position on the political spectrum. However, I do believe there is a finite chance than he'll listen to the "folks who brung him to the dance".

On the other hand, I am totally certain that Obama will work as hard as he can to destroy this nation.

So, I'll pull the lever for Romney with the hopes that he will listen to our voices, and in the meantime I'll turn my attention to other races and the next election cycle.

Personally, even though he's a bit of a "hippy" for my taste, I'd like to see Sheriff Joe Arapio be elected President. Unfortunately his name's not on the card this time around.

43 posted on 04/20/2012 2:41:37 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Windflier
I don't see that happening, although I wouldn't put it past the Romney campaign to reach out to her as a VP choice.

IMO Romney has no intention of picking a V.P. candidate that is even questionably right of center.

This is the election the GOP establishment has chosen to do away with the conservative thorn in their sides forever.

44 posted on 04/20/2012 2:44:38 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
What you are seeing is a way to change Mitt Romney from what he is into something much closer to Ronald Reagan.

Pardon me, but I think you're nuts!

Mitt Romney couldn't be Ronald Reagan in a million years.

The biggest fallacy in your "plan" is your assumption Myth wants to change. Doubt it.

45 posted on 04/20/2012 2:59:02 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: CharacterCounts
IMO Romney has no intention of picking a V.P. candidate that is even questionably right of center. This is the election the GOP establishment has chosen to do away with the conservative thorn in their sides forever.

You may very well be right. Who knows - maybe Romney will choose the most liberal Republican he can dredge up for his running mate. Someone even to the left of him (if that's even possible).

The plan might be to attract fence-sitting Democrats and moderates away from Obama, since they don't have a prayer of truly convincing the patriotic right.

It's a theory anyway.

46 posted on 04/20/2012 3:20:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Vintage Freeper; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Vintage Freeper.


47 posted on 04/20/2012 3:48:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vintage Freeper; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; ...
"It is going to be a very, very, very hard sell that I can believe anything Mitt says."

**************** That is understandable and everybody would have a right to be skeptical. But if Koch vouches for him, Palin vouches for him, and Newt plus the others vouch for him, the smart thing to do is believe and vote with the hope and expectation that Romney would live up to expectations because there are no other alternatives today that would even remotely offer any chance at all for turning the country around.

I agree with EVERYTHING you said above. And everyone who knows of me or knows me personally knows I do favor Newt to be our nominee. BUT if Mitt Romney does end up being the Republican nominee, I certainly will support him. And I will be the kind of boots on the ground volunteer who does EVERYTHING I can to see that the Republican nominee takes the state of Florida on November 6, 2012! Our goal MUST be to remove Obama from our White House!
48 posted on 04/20/2012 4:24:33 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

Our goal MUST be to remove Obama from our White House!


ABSOLUTELY AGREE- REMOVE OBAMA FROM THE WHITE HOUSE....otherwise we’ll have no future whatsoever...all those valuable votes from freepers, (which essentially is a vote to get rid of Obama) are burying their heads in the sand by refusing to vote...keep your eyes on the big picture...remove Obama..you only have ONE choice...don’t be so blind that you can’t see. Fight your other battles later..with Obama gone at least you’ll have a chance.


49 posted on 04/20/2012 5:11:23 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: seekthetruth
Agreed! I wish it were Newt but I believe it will be Mitt. We MUST defeat Obama; even if it's with Mitt.
50 posted on 04/20/2012 5:44:39 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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