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New Account: Zimmerman Told Cops Trayvon's Last Words Were 'Okay, You Got It' [and more details]
Daily Beast ^ | Apr 19, 2012 | Aram Roston

Posted on 04/19/2012 11:36:58 AM PDT by kevcol

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The law-enforcement source familiar with the case, who told The Daily Beast that he personally believes Zimmerman’s account, said Zimmerman has told three different law enforcement agencies his version of the events.

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Zimmerman told police officials that he lost sight of Martin and went around a townhouse to see where he was. Then he claimed Martin confronted him and punched him, knocking him down.

According to The Daily Beast’s source, Zimmerman told police that when he was on the ground, Martin straddled him, striking him, and then tried to smother him.

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Zimmerman, the source said, told officers he was so paralyzed by fear that he initially forgot he had a gun, but he said that after Martin noticed his 9mm pistol, Zimmerman pulled it out of his belt holder and fired one round, a hollow-point—the round that killed Martin.

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The source familiar with the case said that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators had Zimmerman lie on his back in another location in an effort to recreate the position he said he had been in during the shooting. Then, the source said, investigators recorded Zimmerman as he shouted what had been heard on the 911 calls: cries such as, “Help me!”

Crump said it was not clear that Martin threw the first punch but, argued that even if he did, Zimmerman’s actions launched the entire sequence of events. “Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground,” Crump said. “We believe that Trayvon went to his grave not knowing who this strange man was that was approaching and confronting him.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; lmm; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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re: family lawyer's comments (BBM), IMO hinting at more evidence supporting Zimmerman than these race baiters bargained for.
1 posted on 04/19/2012 11:37:07 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

Crump just threw the case. It sounds to me like he’s conceding Martin started the fight. His logic that event A (in a chain of events) resulted in event F is deeply flawed, and will be seen as nonsense.


2 posted on 04/19/2012 11:43:49 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: kevcol

Nice shot, George.


3 posted on 04/19/2012 11:47:55 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

One shot, one kill.


4 posted on 04/19/2012 11:54:28 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (Newt 2012)
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To: kevcol
"“Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground,” Crump said. “We believe that Trayvon went to his grave not knowing who this strange man was that was approaching and confronting him.”"

No, Trayvon did not have the right to stand his ground as Capt. Zimmerman was the one who was attacked and was acting to protect his property and his Neighborhood Watch sector.

5 posted on 04/19/2012 12:00:12 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: rightly_dividing

Yes indeed.

And I personally hope that Mr. No_Limit had at least a few seconds to realize he just got limited...permanently.


6 posted on 04/19/2012 12:01:46 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: kevcol
Treyvon Martin? You mean this Tryevon Martin?

I thought was referred to as Saint Skittles now?

7 posted on 04/19/2012 12:03:43 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Crump just threw the case. It sounds to me like he’s conceding Martin started the fight. His logic that event A (in a chain of events) resulted in event F is deeply flawed, and will be seen as nonsense.

Which might be of significance if he was taking the case to trial, but he isn't.

8 posted on 04/19/2012 12:08:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: capydick
Who is that little gold-teeth tattooed punk?

I thought Tryevon was a sweet little 10 yr old that wouldn't hurt fly?

9 posted on 04/19/2012 12:10:40 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Oztrich Boy

Valid point. However, Corey has stated that she keeps in close contact with Crump (so he’s in the know), and given her razor thin charging document I can’t help but feel the prosecution is heading toward a nonsensical “Zimmerman got out of his truck so he’s ultimately responsible for Martin’s death” approach.


10 posted on 04/19/2012 12:20:06 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
They might as well end all neighborhood watch programs if watching is the criminal action.

How many Hoodie fights began because someone looked at someone else the wrong way?

-PJ

11 posted on 04/19/2012 12:37:37 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

I agree with what you say but why do you keep calling George Zimmerman Capt. Zimmerman?

He was a neighborhood watch guy not a police officer or anything where he had a rank.

Just curious.


12 posted on 04/19/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: kevcol

But we’re to believe that it would have been morally superior for Martin to have killed Zimmerman than for Zimmerman to have killed Martin in self defense.


13 posted on 04/19/2012 12:47:07 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: kevcol

TRAYVON "1ST PUNCH" MARTIN

14 posted on 04/19/2012 12:52:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Jack Burton007

Multiple news sources, including this piece, have stated that Zimmerman had attained the rank of “captain” in the neighborhood watch.

“Now, Zimmerman is wearing a gray prison jumpsuit instead of black robes, as he faces second-degree murder charges in the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager who was walking home through the housing complex where Zimmerman served as a neighborhood-watch captain.”


15 posted on 04/19/2012 1:00:52 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: kevcol

The White House backed War on Neighborhood Watch rumbles on. The subtext is that gangsters should have free reign of your streets.

If you’ve EVER walked a night shift in a bad part of town, you know how thankless and lonely it is. As the car with 4 shaved headed thugs rolls up with pumping music, your heart starts to race. You quickly realize you are WAY under armed for a confrontation.

Those of you who have not walked a route: you really don’t know what you’re talking about.


16 posted on 04/19/2012 1:03:31 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (Counter counterculturist)
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To: Uncle Slayton

I see. I don’t consider the rank of Captain of neighborhood watch as an official rank, therefor I don’t think he should be called Capt. Zimmerman.

Looks a bit silly IMO. But if you feel it is necessary then by all means go for it.


17 posted on 04/19/2012 1:09:03 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
They might as well end all neighborhood watch programs if watching is the criminal action

I'm sure that's in the works.

18 posted on 04/19/2012 1:09:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: kevcol
I think Martin had every right to stand his ground....but that does not mean attacking anyone else...and I fully believe that he attacked Z....

its a sad situation, sad that we have to have armed people protecting neighborhoods but that is what it has come down too....

19 posted on 04/19/2012 1:10:32 PM PDT by cherry
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To: kevcol

The right to swing your fist ends at the other guy’s nose.


20 posted on 04/19/2012 1:13:59 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: kevcol

There are some sick puppies posting comments there.


21 posted on 04/19/2012 1:15:35 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: kevcol

The slam dunk for this will be found with the autopsy report, and it will be based on how the bullet went through Martin’s body. The angle of the bullet track will show whether Martin was standing upright, was on top of Zimmerman as he described, or otherwise.

If he was straddling Zimmerman, with Zimmerman firing up, the bullet track is going to be very obvious and almost impossible to reproduce were they both, or even if one or the other were standing up.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 1:16:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: kevcol
In any sort of rational trial, the Prosecutor has to show that Zimmerman initiated force against Martin by attacking or by threatening him. It doesn't sound like the she has a snowball's chance of doing so to me.

What is left is an emotional appeal. If the Prosecutor can get a sufficiently incompetent jury, she might be able to sway them with emotional arguments and with threats racial unrest.

We'll see which path she follows and how bad she wants the conviction.

23 posted on 04/19/2012 1:22:07 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Having never been in that position with another person...all I can to is visualize in my mind..

And I don't see your take..at all.

The muzzle of the pistol could have been in angles we can't even imagine.

Fwiw-

24 posted on 04/19/2012 1:23:26 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I’ve repeatedly said that Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his truck. The prosecutor can try to use that, but the next words out of the defense’s mouth is “Trayvon Martin should never have turned around to confront the man following him.”
Both of them were stupid.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 1:24:19 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: kevcol

Why is “new account” in the title? What’s new?


26 posted on 04/19/2012 1:27:14 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

ahhhh...the words of a liberal finally coming to terms that she was WRONG but can’t admit it so she blames BOTH PARTIES.


27 posted on 04/19/2012 1:30:44 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Clara Lou

I don`t think Zimmerman`s decision was particularly wise. It`s his call though, and leaving his truck is not criminal nor does it make him responsible for the final outcome.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 1:35:19 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: kevcol

It is an odd article. The writer seemed conflicted, which led to choppy, contradictory and confusing writing.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 1:49:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: kevcol

Where was the gun on Mr Zimmerman’s body?

If the gun was at the waist, then what was trayvon’s hands doing down there?

If a guy is bashing another man’s head on the pavement, wouldn’t his hands be at the shoulders or above?

When did his hands wander to the waist?
Then, was the gun in the front or back?

When trayvon was straddling Mr Zimmerman, did his knee accidentaly hit the gun, thus notifying trayvon that a gun was available and that’s when both of them went for it?


30 posted on 04/19/2012 2:00:54 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: trappedincanuckistan
"“Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground,” Crump said. “We believe that Trayvon went to his grave not knowing who this strange man was that was approaching and confronting him.”"

By "stand his ground" Crump means "Trayvon had a right to start beating Zimmerman when Zimmerman asked him "What are you doing here?"" They're going to need a jury of real 0bamaZombies to buy that.

31 posted on 04/19/2012 2:05:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

If Corey takes Crump`s apparent strategy (don`t forget Corey said the two are in close contact) it`ll be the end of her career.


32 posted on 04/19/2012 2:19:01 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I sure hope so. I hope she is publically humiliated and faces legal repercussions that Nifong her but good.


33 posted on 04/19/2012 2:24:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Even liberals like Dershowitz are calling her charging document weak.


34 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:02 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
I should say it's weak. It's supposed to be a charging affidavit of probable cause and I can't find one word in it that establishes any probable cause.

AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE - SECOND DEGREE MURDER

35 posted on 04/19/2012 2:37:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: capydick; PhilDragoo; All

Note: The second photo in both your posts showing a young black male in a wife beater shirt with a dart board clock in the background IS NOT TRAYVON MARTIN! That’s Tyrone Woodfork, perp in the beating/robbery/murder of a white elderly couple that left the wife dead. Factual innacuracies hurt rather than help to make a point.


36 posted on 04/19/2012 2:54:55 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Osage Orange

They often show this in TV forensic crime dramas. It involves the use of wooden dowels a little smaller than the bullets used. And it is pretty conclusive. They can often tell if a person had their arms up when shot, or not.

Other factors are considered as well, such as powder burns on clothing and skin, how far the bullet traveled through the body, organs it hit enroute. You get two or three matching variables and it is pretty conclusive.

If Martin was straddling a prone Zimmerman and Zimmerman fired up through him, it would be very hard to prove a different shooting scenario.


37 posted on 04/19/2012 2:59:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: TigersEye
They're going to need a jury of real 0bamaZombies to buy that.

Surely there is another OJ jury out there if (this time) the prosecution looks had enough.

38 posted on 04/19/2012 3:00:40 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: SpaceBar

Tyrone sure looks different in this pic of him.

39 posted on 04/19/2012 3:03:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
Tyrone sure looks different in this pic of him.

Nevertheless, it's a photo of Woodfork, not Martin.
40 posted on 04/19/2012 3:07:58 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
The photo I posted is Woodfork. You could save yourself some embarrassment by spending 30 seconds on your favorite search engine doing an image search.

That is a pic of Trayvon Martin and it was thoroughly vetted here on FR about three weeks ago.

41 posted on 04/19/2012 3:10:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Jack Burton007

Just a heads up...
Things are not always what they seem
and supporters are not always what they claim to be.


42 posted on 04/19/2012 3:19:38 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: TigersEye

http://theconservativemonster.mobi/2012/03/28/tyrone-woodfork-could-be-obamas-son-too.aspx

You simply picked the google image showing him with long hair after his booking. Yeah, I know to some people “they all look alike”, but it’s a different individual. Wider nose, different shaped face, different eyes, thicker lips, and shorter ears. Believe what you want to believe.


43 posted on 04/19/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: cherry
If Martin had merely stood his ground, he wouldn't be dead.

End of.

44 posted on 04/19/2012 3:24:31 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: spacejunkie2001

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45 posted on 04/19/2012 3:25:30 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: SpaceBar

There is just NO_Limit_...


46 posted on 04/19/2012 3:28:38 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: SpaceBar

Hey, I followed the blogpimped link.

There are two pictures vertically stacked.

“Obama said that Trayvon Martin (above right) could be his son. Well, Tyrone Woodfork (above left) could be his son too.”

Is that your evidence? WTF?


47 posted on 04/19/2012 3:41:02 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: SpaceBar
Yeah, I know to some people “they all look alike”, but it’s a different individual.

How nice of you to try and throw that Race Card at me but apparently it's you that "they" all look alike to. The gold teeth pic looks like Trayvon and not at all like Woodfork. You won't find the gold teeth pic associated with Woodfork in any search. You will find confirmation that the gold teeth pic was found on a Twitter account belonging to THE Trayvon Martin who was shot by George Zimmerman.

April 19, 2012 The Daily Caller obtains Trayvon Martin’s tweets

The Daily Caller has obtained a compilation of the late Trayvon Martin’s tweets.

The social media scan, executed on PeopleBrowsr and supplied to TheDC by the individual who performed the search, contains tweets from the last month of Martin’s life, dating to the beginning of 2012.

Martin tweeted under the handle “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,” an account that was closed shortly after his death.

The image attached to the Twitter account when Martin died matches one that has been widely distributed. That photograph of Martin depicts him smiling, gold-toothed, into a camera in front of an electronic dartboard.

Now take your Race Card and your neutron star stupidity somewhere else.

48 posted on 04/19/2012 3:46:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
leaving his truck is not criminal nor does it make him responsible for the final outcome
I agree with you, which is why I didn't say that it did in my post.
49 posted on 04/19/2012 3:46:45 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: TigersEye

Fine, I concede.


50 posted on 04/19/2012 3:52:10 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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