Skip to comments.The next six months will be a wild ride for Mormons
Posted on 04/15/2012 2:09:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Last week it became clear that LDS Church member Mitt Romney will be the Republican nominee for president. This is a momentous event for millions of Mormons who may have doubted it could ever happen. However, the general election campaign will be negative and nasty. We explore the continuing ramifications of Romney's religion in the presidential race.
In hindsight, was religion as big a factor in the recent primary contests as it was in 2008?
Pignanelli:"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." Mahatma GandhiReligion was an element in the recent primary elections, just more subtle than four years ago. But it was both a detriment and a benefit to Romney. Undoubtedly, much of the support Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum received in the Southern states was suspicion by evangelical voters toward Romney's LDS belief. "We are voting for a true conservative" was a clever cloak for this bigotry. However, the majority of Catholic primary voters supported Romney over fellow Catholics Gingrich and Santorum because of religion. We Catholics have two millennia of history to distill the real crazies in our church. Thus, Republican Catholics knew exactly what they were getting with Santorum, and the overwhelming majority chose the comfort of Romney's moderate LDS adherence. Many voters perceived Romney's faith as a positive force in his life an encouraging sign for Mormons....
....With Santorum out, and Gingrich on life support, will evangelical Republicans finally rally around Romney?
Webb:Yes, to a large degree. Some will do so grudgingly and will put conditions on their support. They will grumble as Romney pivots to some degree to the center. But most of them fear another four years of Barack Obama more than they fear having a Mormon in the White House.....
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
Newt Gingrich Calls for Universal Right to Bear Arms at NRA Forum "Fridays Celebration of American Values Leadership forum featured speeches by Mitt Romney, recent contender Rick Santorum, plus conservative stars like former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. But members of the influential gun lobby today reserved their greatest enthusiasms not for their presumptive nominee Romney, but for Newt Gingrich, a candidate who perseveres to the wonderment of many and the joy of some. .....The crowd was appreciative of the man who will likely court their votes this fall, but the NRA faithful became far more animated for Gingrich. With his characteristic flourish for sweeping and historical ideas, the former House speaker laid out a guideline for an international gun-rights movement that the NRAs Cox called the Gingrich Doctrine......
Save us magic underwear man~~~!!!!!
Romney is NOT the candidate and has gotten where he
is by CHEATING and BACKSTABBING.
Why are the Mormons FOR THIS?
Are the Mormons behind Romney’s cheating and backstabbing, too, like BAIN and Marriott.
It has been a wild ride for the rest of America to watch
the Massacre of Conservatives by shameless Team Romney.
The same percentage of Mormons will vote for Romney as Blacks will vote for Obama - just under 100%.
let’s see how romney does when the tea party and real conservatives ignore his sorry ass.
Is there ANY difference between obummer and romney?
Please, can anyone point out those differences??
I'm a TEA Party Conservative bigot, so that deleted LIBERAL Romney immediately, and I voted for Newt Gingrich in Mississippi.
Y'all down South do the same now, ya hear?
Well, this “bigot” is going to vote for Newt on March 29th in the Texas GOP Primary.
The meeting is set for 4 p.m. at Pappasito's Cantina, 723 Central Expressway. Space is limited and the audience will be part of a 30-mintue question and answer period.
Moderate adherence? Where the h$ll did they get that?
He's the frikken White Horse...he's no moderate.
Yes, and do it twice.
Yep - if Romney ends up being the one, the eGOP and their Dim co-conspirators will have us exactly where they want us; without a Republic to live under.
excellent post...now we are bigot-racists.
We expect that some of you Evangelical Christians will grumble as Romney pivots to some degree to the center [back from the far right], but most of you fear another four years of Barack Obama more than you fear having a Mormon in the White House ... making us the lesser of two evils ... ping.
This Ohio bigot already did!
I did in FL. Only because Perry wasn’t available. G*d save the Republic. Both of them; U.S and Texas.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
If the nominee, Romney has my vote, not my support.
The one and only benefit to a Romney nomination, all the exposure the craziness of the LDS will finally get...
From the article: Undoubtedly, much of the support Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum received in the Southern states was suspicion by evangelical voters toward Romney's LDS belief. "We are voting for a true conservative" was a clever cloak for this bigotry.
They are now trying to marginalize Southern Christians -- for fear that they will be the primary "holdout" in boarding the Romney bandwagon.
By calling non-Romney supporters "bigots," they are trying the liberal tactic that if you don't vote Mormon, you're a "bigot."
The same percentage of Mormons will vote for Romney as Blacks will vote for Obama - just under 100%. [Cincinatus' Wife]
CW makes an interesting parallel...The % of Southern Christian/Evangelical voters who supported either Santorum or Gingrich in the primaries has been significantly less than the % of Mormons who have supported Romney in 2008 and 2012:
And, rather interesting that 94-95% of Mormons in both Utah and Nevada voted for Romney in 2008:
* 2008 (Utah) "While the former Massachusetts governors faith has been a flashpoint in his campaign, it was perhaps one of his strongest assets in Utah, where more than 60% of the states residents share his faith. Exit poll data shows Romney swept voters across the board, handily winning every social, economic, and generational demographic in the state, as well as 94% of all Mormon voters." (Susan Davis, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 5, 2008, Romney Wins Utah With Help From Friends [Note: The Wall Street Journal was citing MSNBC.msn.com...]
* 2008 (Nevada) Per the Mormon Church, Mormons make up about 7.5% of Nevada's population. But according to the entrance polls so far, a whopping 25% of those who participated in the state's GOP caucuses are Mormons. And 94% of those people went with Romney.
Source: Nevada Mormons turn out for Romney (Mark Murray, MSNBC, Jan. 19, 2008)
* 2008 (Arizona and Nevada): In the Nevada Republican caucuses last cycle, entrance polls found that a quarter 26 percent of participants were Mormons and 95 percent supported Romney. He won the state handily. The numbers were also impressive in Arizona, where exit polls showed 11 percent of voters were Mormon and 88 percent of them voted for Romney...
Source: Mitt Romneys Mormon firewall
* 2012 (Nevada): According to exit polls conducted for the Associated Press, nine of 10 Mormon voters in Nevada supported Romney.
Source: Paul seeks to attract Mormon voters in Nevada GOP contest
So...why have about 95% of Mormons -- about 85% of whom are Republicans & are supposedly "conservative" -- supporting a liberal pro-abortion socialized healthcare candidate?
Well, the exit polls answer that as well:
Per this 2008 exit poll data:
Exit poll data from Tuesday's primary elections showed Utah Republican voters cared more about presidential candidates' PERSONAL QUALITIES THAN THEIR POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES, the OPPOSITE OF THE NATIONAL TREND of the national trend in Super Tuesday voting.
Source: Romney's exit disappoints strong Utah following (Feb. 7, 2008 AP/Salt Lake Tribune)
IOW, Mormon voters vote Romney because he's Mormon! That's it!
(And isn't voting for a candidate only -- or primarily -- because of his religious ID = a form of "bigotry?" Isn't voting against non-Mormons because they aren't Mormon -- isn't that "bigotry?")
Mitt-got-ry: [mitt-guh-tree]No sale.
noun, plural -ries.
1. the belief that acceptance of a candidates commitment to a cult should be imposed on someone else's personal religious freedom of expression and practice
2. or imposed on another's personal values
3. or as a standard imposed on an individual's vote
This "you are a bigot" has been the mantra of the mormon church since the 1800s yet it today sends out 52,000 missionaries every day to proclaim that your Christian faith is FALSE and the only way to salvation is thru arcane rituals in the mormon temples.
Never forget that Mitt Romney believes that the Bible is correct "only so far as it is translated correctly" and that the mormon church sanctifies abortion "if a leader approves and it is prayed about".
The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court issued their well known ruling in the Roe v. Wade case. The court legalized early abortions for any reason, and allowed later abortions if necessary to preserve the health or life of the woman.
In response to this liberalization of abortion access, Harold B. Lee, N. Eldon Tanner, & Marion G. Romney of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints' First Presidency issued a statement on abortion in 1973. 3 It restated the historical LDS Church's position on abortion.
"The Church opposes abortion and counsels its members not to submit to or perform an abortion except in the rare cases where, in the opinion of competent medical counsel, the life or good health of the mother is seriously endangered or where the pregnancy was caused by rape and produces serious emotional trauma in the mother. Even then it should be done only after counseling with the local presiding priesthood authority and after receiving divine confirmation through prayer."
WHAT THE H...? Newt Gingrich is ALIVE AND WELL and still in this race, have they already crowned the POS MITTENS? When did NEWT drop out? They IGNORE NEWT with risk.
Mittens is an "ISM", make that POS-ISM.
I'm with NEWT.
Where's the DATA?
Where is the EXIT poll info?
These folks are HOPING it's true.
No; you ignoramuses!
It was because of what they KNEW about MORMONism!
It's not called the BIBLE BELT fer NOTHIN'!!!
magritte; you’re on!
Office of First President & Living Prophet
November 1st, 2011
The message for this month is -
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
I remember quite well, his participation in the marchs around of Temple Square, arm in arm with his BLACK Brothers and Sisters...
WHAT? That is as precise as it gets; folks!
...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.
Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.
Alas, poor magritte, I knew him well and must say of all the members I've seen banished at F.R., his departure was one of the happier ones.
I do apologize to the most excellent FReeper "Marguerite", for once confusing her name with his.
I should have realized immediately that she was making conservative comments, completely unlike magritte.
Sounds a lot like Jeremiah Wright to me.
What the Mormons have to fear is the exposure of their religion when the Democrat media tears it into shreds. Mormons will become the equivalent of the Branch Davidians in the eyes of the Obamedia.
“I do apologize to the most excellent FReeper “Marguerite”, for once confusing her name with his.
I should have realized immediately that she was making conservative comments, completely unlike magritte.”
No biggies. Call me Marguerite or Daisy (in English) if that’s easier :)
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