Posted on 04/13/2012 8:39:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog
From Remington Arms to The Daily Caller
NBC continues to attack Remington and the firearms industry through sensational and factually inaccurate reporting. On April 11, 2012, Brian Williams again demonstrated NBC’s anti-gun agenda with the claim that the Model 870, Model 1100 and other Remington firearms have a design flaw. That claim is demonstrably false and Remington stands fully behind the safety and reliability of the most popular shotguns in the world.
It wasn’t enough for NBC to attack over 20 million Remington firearms; they also called the Second Amendment into question by suggesting that there is a need for increased government regulation of firearms.
Model 870 and 1100 owners know the truth – these shotguns are used extensively under the most demanding conditions. Tens of billions of rounds have been fired through these firearms, which are valued for their performance and durability by millions of hunters, shooters, law enforcement and military personnel who have relied on Remington.
As the basis for its attacks, NBC continues to rely upon paid “experts” who have been repeatedly hired by plaintiff’s attorneys to testify against Remington and at least 16 other firearms manufacturers. The facts show that the Model 870 and 1100 are two of the most reliable shotguns ever produced – only one lawsuit has been filed in the last seven years and no litigation is pending against the trigger mechanisms of these firearms.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Treat every gun as if it can fire at any time, whether or not there’s pressure on the trigger. Your firearm has been carefully designed to maximize performance and safety. However, because a gun’s safety is a mechanical device, it could fail.
Human error is a more likely reason for a gun safety to fail. By mistake, you may think the safety is on when it really isn’t. Or the safety may have been disengaged without your knowledge. Or you could think your gun is unloaded when there’s actually a cartridge or shell in it. A mechanical safety is not a substitute for common sense. It’s merely a supplement to your proper handling of a firearm.
Never touch the trigger on a firearm until you are ready to shoot. Keep your fingers away from the trigger when you’re loading or unloading. And don’t pull the trigger when the safety is engaged or positioned between safe and fire.
Before using your gun, read this instruction book to understand the exact location and operation of your firearm’s safety. Even when the safety is on, maintain control of your loaded firearm and control the direction of the muzzle. In other words, don’t rely on your safety to justify careless handling. If your firearm’s internal mechanisms are broken or have been altered, your firearm may fire even when the safety is on. Remember, you and your safe gun handling practices are your gun’s best safety.
Any FReepers ever have a problem with their Remington shotgun safety?
Don’t forget - NBC is the outfit that edited the George Zimmerman 911 tape to make him sound bad, and also sabotaged the pickup truck to make it “spontaneously” explode on command.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
—Jeff Cooper[1]
The best fix for a Remington 870 is a Mossberg 590A1.
> Any FReepers ever have a problem with their Remington shotgun safety?
Personally, I dislike the trigger guard safety on my 870. I’ve missed more than a few good shots at foxes and other predators, because I just grab the gun chamber a round aim and pull the trigger, which doesn’t fire, because I forgot to push the bloody safety button.
I like the tang safety on my Mossberg MUCH better. It’s right where I can see it, and I can always tell when it’s on or off.
No problems with a Remington because we only have a couple Mossbergs and a Benelli.
How long has the Remington 870 been used? 100 years?
By the Marines, FBI, etc?
Nope. Never. My Remington 870 Wingmaster is the best shotgun I've ever owned.
Yeah, I have a problem! I have to pay a friggin $200.00 NFA TAX STAMP to make it a short barrel shotgun!
I never use the safety on my 870 or any other firearm because I NEVER have a round in the chamber until I am ready to shoot.
And remarkably, in 45 years of shooting, I have never had a gun go off accidentally.
NBC, long ago, ceased to be a serious and honest reporter of news. Who watches Brian “Makes Ted Baxter look like a MENSA member” Williams? They are the worst of a pathetic few.
I like the tang safety too but overall the Remington 870 is probably the best pump shotgun ever made.
BTW, the Mossberg safety used to break so often, our local dealer always kept a large supply of replacements on hand.
I am sure Mossberg has corrected the problem by now but it never should have happened in the first place.
This is exactly how I operate my guns and no problem. If I need to shoot something the last thing I want to worry about is fumbling around with the safety.
Nope, my Remington 870 has never failed me, never misfed, never had a trigger issue. In addition to hunting, it’s my home defense weapon. You don’t make firearms like the 870 for as long as Remington has if there was a design flaw. The flaw is the human operators who don’t respect the firearm or don’t practice safe handling rules.
I have 1187, 1100 and 3 870’s. Never a problem. Use the 1187 for sporting clays, trap and hunting, over 60,000 rounds..not a problem. Had to replace the o-rings a couple of times but not a problem.
fact: more people are killed by empty guns than loaded ones ( I didn’t know it was loaded )... the firearm is ALWAYS loded until you verify it for yourself..
I actually try to watch Brian Williams a couple times a week, just to keep up on his bias, how he turns things around, turns every event into some historic tragedy. I would not watch if my children were young and lived at home, because I am known to yell at the TV when he’s on, and the language is not something for children to hear. But since MANY people are likely to watch NBC news, I like to keep track of the twists and turns in their “journalism”.
I do not like the location of it on my 870 but it has always worked.
bttt
No issues with my 870 Folder. . .
"In Wednesday's report, NBC began their lengthy report on Remington's allegedly faulty trigger system with a question: 'Is there a design defect....?' Starting a report with a question can be used to introduce something innocuous or to help "shape" a conclusion."
Is Brian Williams a pedophile?
Nuff said about their views on anything, especially firearms.
No problems with a Remington because we only have a couple Mossbergs and a Benelli.
Boy talk about both ends of the spectrum
I’ve never had one issue. I use the 20 gauge 870 Wingmaster pump for clay pigeons and dove hunting, and after 25 years of use it still shoots like it just came out of the box. I have another that I will simply say is “modified to my specs” for home defense, and while not used as often as my other guns, it also performs perfectly.
I’d guess I’ve fired 1000 shells through my 870. Never once had any kind of a problem with it.
Thanks for the post. It led me to the Daily Caller website and then to their “Guns and Gear” section - which is loaded with pistol and rifle reviews as well as other gun-related articles. Worth a look for those of you, like I was, who were unaware of this feature.
I’ve used a remington 870 Wingmaster for over 40 years and never, never had any problems...In fact, the action of pumping a shell into the chamber instead of an autoloader has probably saved me many boxes of shells in all my years of dove shooting...That little action has prevented me from wasting another shot on a missed bird....
I thought it was the model 700 rifle with the reliability issues that the media talked about in the past. The 870 is probably one of the best for the money made. Law enforcement and hunters have relied on it in various formats for decades.
There is only one ‘problem’ with Remington shotguns like the 1100 eries, they have steel receivers so they’re heavier than the aluminium ones. Some see that as a plus because we have so many interesting higher pressure shotgun rounds now available for ‘social work’. [BTW, I could use a few reccommendations on a semi auot 20 gague since I’m in the market for one unless I can find a recoil reduced 12 gauge semi.]
Assuredly! Brian Williams cannot proved that he has never looked at a child before. Without being able to read his mind as he looked, we must conclude he is a pedophile. Ergo, he has a 'design' defect.
There is only one ‘problem’ with Remington shotguns like the 1100 eries, they have steel receivers so they’re heavier than the aluminium ones. Some see that as a plus because we have so many interesting higher pressure shotgun rounds now available for ‘social work’. [BTW, I could use a few reccommendations on a semi auot 20 gauge since I’m in the market for one unless I can find a recoil reduced 12 gauge semi.]
I have a Remington 870 and an 1100, both 12ga. and have never had a problem with either. I also have a Remington 552 .22cal. semi-auto rifle and a model 700 30/06 bolt action rifle and I’ve never had a problem with them either.
I do have a Remington 1858 New Army .44cal. revolver that one of my relatives brought hom from the “War Against Northern Agression” that has a few problems but they only make it more “safe.”
Brian Williams and the whole NBC “news” team has been parroting the Obama line since Obama first ran in 2008. I watch the NBC news only because old Dianne on ABC is worse. I see the lies as like a lot of we who are aware, I get real news on the world and politics from other sources and the Internet. Pity the fools in America that don’t know the truth and lap up the mess the main stream media shovel out.
I have an 870 and a 30-06 model 700, both left-handed. I like Remington because they are accurate, reliable and produced in left-handed versions. I’ve had the 870 for 30 years and even though the safety is built opposite it’s right hand counterpart, it has never been a problem.
I have seen two rifles that would fire when the safety was switched off. Both were 700’s, and both had the issue NBC and others described.
I have a Remington, Mossberg and Winchester shotgun and to be honest the best damn one of them is my 1940 something old Model 97 Winchester.
I’m a hammer man, have been since I was a kid and probably always will be. Use it almost exclusively for hunting and I’ve never, ever had a problem with it after thousands of rounds I’ve put through it almost my whole adult life.
Plus there’s the added bonus of using it as the first line in my home defense strategy - that being the incredible sound it makes chambering a round at night when you think someone might be hanging about you want to run.
No other gun quite makes the same series of clicks and clanks with that final loud “chink” at the end. I swear it would make a great doorbell ringer too, get rid of pesky salesman in a hurry I bet...
No safety or other problems with my left-hand model 700 30-06 either. It’s a beautiful weapon and delivers nice tight groups.
NBC has been lying to the American public and “doctoring” its so-called “news” for years. They have absolutely no credebility whatsoever. No one with any more brains that a snail believes their “pinko” slant on events. Eventually, they will go the way of the dinasours.
I’ve relied on the 870 for close to 40 years. It has never failed me. NBC failed a long time ago.
So, the lefties want to destroy Remington or at least ruin their value. One reason may be that George Sorryass would love to buy it (along with all the other firearm companies he’s purchased).
I believe Browning and Remington both have new low-recoil 12ga. semi-auto shotguns, of course now all firearms are pricey. I paid full retail for my Browning light 12, vented rib, $187.50 and my Remington 870, $119.00.
Yes I've seen the NBC video.. when you attach a cherry bomb to this model and light the cherry bomb it explodes! Yes a dangerous flaw and this model should be banned.
My old Remington pump has been through more than anyone could reasonably expect a firearm to go through, and it still works perfect. It was my constant companion for years of trekking through the wilderness. It’s been beaten up by brush, rocks, falls, pack saddles, backpacks, rain, sleet, snow, dirt, rivers and countless rounds of heavy loads. I would trust my life to it in a heartbeat.
My brother had a Remington pump 20g that blew a hole in the floorboard of a cousins truck.
He wouldn’t touch a gun for years afterwards!
The people who think this isn’t real just haven’t experienced it yet and I hope you never do!
It brings the maxim about pointing guns in a safe direction to a whole new level.
Wasn’t NBC the “news organization” that rigged a pickup truck test some years ago to show how easily the vehicle caught on fire? Or was that their co-conspirator, CBS?
That makes two of us. Too hard to reach when you need the safety off RIGHT NOW. The Mossberg's tang safety is much better, at least with a non-pistol grip stock.
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