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As more facts are known I have more questions: Martin and Zimmerman
WAGIST ^ | April 12, 2012 | Dan Linehan

Posted on 04/12/2012 5:04:46 PM PDT by 70times7

If you read the article HERE you find a lot of good information. Maps are displayed along with time lines that describe the encounter between Martin and Zimmerman. This is the most detailed account I have seen yet.

A week or two ago another thread asked why no footage had been shown with Trayvon getting his Skittles at the 7-Eleven. I speculated that they didn't want the public to know that this "poor little boy" was actually much bigger than Zimmerman, and no longer a little boy. But there may be another reason; he was never there.

According to the account Zimmerman first saw Martin near the clubhouse; to the west of the altercation and also to the west of where Martin was staying. Now that I had access to maps I did a search. As near as I can tell, the closest 7-Eleven is over 2 miles away - to the east. - 2700 West 25th Street, Sanford, FL.

The linked article also suggests that Martin doubled back specifically to confront Zimmerman. I continue to wonder if the reason Zimmerman thought he was acting suspiciously was because Martin was acting suspiciously. There are reports that women's jewelry and a flat screwdriver were found in Martin's backpack at school, but it was not acted on.

What if Trayvon was roving the neighborhood looking for "opportunity" and saw Zimmerman watching him? Do you suppose that maybe the Skittles toting the little boy who punched the bus driver may have wanted a piece of Zimmerman for trying to stop him?


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If you know this area or turn up different information please post it. The affidavit specifically stated that he was coming back from a 7-Eleven after purchasing Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea. I remain unconvinced.
1 posted on 04/12/2012 5:04:56 PM PDT by 70times7
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To: 70times7

What if Trayvon was roving the neighborhood looking for “opportunity” and saw Zimmerman watching him? Do you suppose that maybe the Skittles toting the little boy who punched the bus driver may have wanted a piece of Zimmerman for trying to stop him?

This is what I’ve thought. He wasn’t just walking thru, he was acting suspiciously, GZ checked him out


2 posted on 04/12/2012 5:09:34 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Mears

bfl


3 posted on 04/12/2012 5:12:35 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: 70times7

He was new to the area and as a burglar he was casing near-future “prospects”.

Zimmerman’s instincts were right.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 5:14:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I think regardless of why, Martin had Zimmerman on his back beating the crap out of him.

Everything about that night and the accusations against Zimmerman are thought crimes and not actual crimes.

Even if we found out Zimmerman had said the most offensive things that night towards blacks or he was a member of the KKK wouldn’t change that.

Fact is, he is getting persecuted because he shot a black man.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 5:16:31 PM PDT by dila813
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To: A_Former_Democrat
There are other places Martin could have walked to buy iced tea and candy (Walmart for example), but these are well out of alignment with the path Martin was using to come home.

Also, it was reportedly raining, so it is unlikely that he was taking the long way for exercise.

None of this is conclusive - only so much can be gleaned from goggle map. But it does make me wonder.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 5:17:37 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Didn’t Zimmerman say Martin was going back and forth between houses? I’ll always believe he was scoping out a place to burglarize. And if he was so scared why didn’t he call the cops. I also believe his girlfriend probably told a different story to the cops the night of the shooting than what she’s telling today.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 5:19:58 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: 70times7
Per the American Thinker, a video of Martin at the 7-Eleven exists. Accounting for Martin's whereabouts from the time he left 7-Eleven until Zimmerman spotted him is another matter:

"But a video does exist. The public relations director of 7-Eleven told me that, according to the company's manager of security, a store camera captured an African-American male (she wouldn't commit to "young") purchasing a bag of Skittles and a can of tea (she wouldn't say that it was "Arizona" tea). The hard disk with the video was removed after the story broke, and it has been subpoenaed by investigators for the state and/or county. The company has not made it available to the media. The public relations director could not specify the exact time of the purchase but said it was between 6:00 and 6:30.

The 7-Eleven, according to maps.google, is 0.8 miles from the entrance to The Retreat at Twin Lakes, a 16-minute walk. There is not much to see or do on Rinehart Road on a Sunday night, and it was raining hard. Even if he was not bringing the tea and Skittles to his stepbrother but was eating and sipping en route, Martin should have arrived back at his dad's fiancée's place before 6:50, and much earlier if he left the store closer to 6:00 than 6:30. According to logs (now deleted from the department's website), Zimmerman called the Sanford police at 7:09:34.

Just as Martin did not go straight home after he first spotted the neighborhood watch captain, so, too, he apparently did not go directly to Brandy Green's apartment from the 7-Eleven. What exactly he was doing between the time he entered the gated community and the moment Zimmerman noticed him will probably never be known. Though there may be some plausible explanation for his behavior, the idea that he was simply returning from a selfless errand when he caught Zimmerman's eye seems less and less likely."


8 posted on 04/12/2012 5:22:15 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Terry Mross

girlfriend is a bad witness.

1) she wasn’t there

2) she can lie like a rug....not best evidence.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 5:24:56 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: dila813
I agree. Unfortunately our government now prosecutes based on thought crimes.

Wait, that's not right. Let me try again:

Unfortunately Big Brother now prosecutes based on thought crimes.

there... That - is - BETTER! (w/ apologies to Dave Chapelle, and bonus points for you if you recognize it)

10 posted on 04/12/2012 5:25:14 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

funny you mention this.

I live in a county here which is mostly republican , goes nearly 70% for the republican candidate and we have no Dems in power, it is over 90% whites and churches popping up all over the county, massive churches too.

Anyway in my area it is about 98% white and my wife and I were out shopping in food lion.
Low and behold two black kids one about 16 the other about 19 or 20 were walking around the store, making a noise and swinging arms out whilst shouting, getting attention etc
They had their pants past down their arse and their boxers were on full display.

Everyone from the workers in the fish stand to the checkout to those shoppers coming in the store was talking about them and a couple of people mentioned that they were looking for attention and that it seemed they wanted to be kicked out of the place.

No one said anything to give them that satisfaction but it was clear they wanted one person to say something or the manager to say they had to leave and then they could claim they were racially abused and picked on.

Now maybe they were silly little turds acting up or maybe they were looking for trouble/attention either way they did not get anything positive out of their act


11 posted on 04/12/2012 5:25:14 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Terry Mross

But Sharpton said yesterday to the MSM, sorry the lefts propaganda wing that he had loving parents just wanting justice.

If so loving then why was the suspended kid not grounded at home?
If it is justice then why call for the arrest and now happy ?

Course now an arrest has been made they can go forward with that civil suit but hey maybe it is me who is being cynical and the bleeding heart will say ‘ how can you say that she lost her beautiful loving son”


12 posted on 04/12/2012 5:28:18 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Bet she has a lot of jewelry. In fact...she might have been his fence.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 5:28:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Scoutmaster

Thank you for your post! It cancels some of my information but bolsters my theory.


14 posted on 04/12/2012 5:29:51 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: Terry Mross

But Sharpton said yesterday to the MSM, sorry the lefts propaganda wing that he had loving parents just wanting justice.

If so loving then why was the suspended kid not grounded at home?
If it is justice then why call for the arrest and now happy ?

Course now an arrest has been made they can go forward with that civil suit but hey maybe it is me who is being cynical and the bleeding heart will say ‘ how can you say that she lost her beautiful loving son”

Nothing to do with getting blacks all worked up for the election whilst the occupy lot are waiting for their orders this summer and then overturning our stand your ground law. Nah no way could it ever be that I mean on our local channel here the showed one guy in town saying that the towns needs to move forward, that Zimmermann should have been charged and then went into a tirade against people having guns.

ARF How many people did they interview before they found the dope like him to say what they think?


15 posted on 04/12/2012 5:30:10 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc

Zimmerman’s is toast. It’s a black country now..... NOT an American one.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: 70times7

What if they did have 7-11 video and it showed cute little Trayvon shoplifting some goods? Would that video disappear?


17 posted on 04/12/2012 5:31:29 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, But I swear I did not see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Scoutmaster

” Just as Martin did not go straight home after he first spotted the neighborhood watch captain, so, too, he apparently did not go directly to Brandy Green’s apartment from the 7-Eleven. What exactly he was doing between the time he entered the gated community and the moment Zimmerman noticed him will probably never be known. Though there may be some plausible explanation for his behavior, the idea that he was simply returning from a selfless errand when he caught Zimmerman’s eye seems less and less likely.”

Agreed.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 5:32:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: 70times7

Holder praised Sharpton didn’t he after the arrest?

DOJ , what a racist joke and the GOP should have cleared them all out and gone after Holder right after he dropped charges against the racist blacks out side the voting station.

Even the cowardly GOP here have not called for the black panthers to be arrested.

The GOP let the MSM dictate the terms of an issue , the left gets their propaganda out and we have a GOP which thinks if they are nice the MSM might be nice back


19 posted on 04/12/2012 5:32:33 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: 70times7

Thanks for posting that link, lots of good info.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 5:33:53 PM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: 70times7

Going to buy ice tea and candy late at night in the rain. Sounds, uh, like a cover story to say the least.

Anyway, I’ve got to go see a man about a dog...


21 posted on 04/12/2012 5:34:29 PM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: 70times7

There is a 7-Eleven much closer, next to a SAM’s club less than a mile. What needs to be investigated is how the Trayvon Martin movement got started...out of DC by folks not related to the family, well after the shooting. I personally believe the Obama Administration and DNC were behind this movement.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 5:35:26 PM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: gaijin

Obama ignited this whole thing with his comments


23 posted on 04/12/2012 5:35:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: manc
If so loving then why was the suspended kid not grounded at home?

To be fair, the things Martin has been suspended for are rather minor. I had a friend in HS over 30 years ago who was suspended for worse. Today he is a degreed professional and a VP at a medical equipment company.

It was the report of the jewelry that caught my attention.

24 posted on 04/12/2012 5:36:19 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

There’s already a new washed-out photo of Zimmerman out today.


25 posted on 04/12/2012 5:40:46 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: MrLee

My wife said last night “what is the point of having a gun to carry now when a black guy or a homosexual or a muslim can attack you and you are put away for defending yourself”

I told my wife that is exactly how the left wants people to think if they cannot get the gun laws here overturned.

I remember how some blacks were shouting “ wait till we get a brother in” or “ you crackers will get what you have coming soon”

Blackl racist can run around, cause trouble, shoot each other, commit crimes all they want but they can do it to whites and all is good according to Hodler and the DOJ

Remember that lawyer who stepped down from the DOJ said that the new lawyers in the DOJ got order to ignore crimes committed by blacks on whites but to go after whites?

We knew this for 3 years , since the black panthers stood outside a voting station and the GOP for the most part did nothing, can’t upset two blocks of voters who never vote for us anyway.
Many blacks and homosexuals


26 posted on 04/12/2012 5:42:07 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: 70times7

27 posted on 04/12/2012 5:42:17 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Terry Mross
I also believe his girlfriend probably told a different story to the cops the night of the shooting

I don't know when the police finally spoke with the girlfriend, but i believe that on March 31 (that's March 31) she was still refusing to give an interview to the police on recommendation of the Martin family attorneys.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 5:42:51 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: 70times7

no matter what he did to get suspended he should have been grounded and certainly not be allowed to roam about or hang out in a different neighborhood or a different city or even state.
If my kids were ever suspended , hell if they ever got into trouble at school they know they’d be grounded for some time.


29 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc

They’ll be back...prolly with friends.


30 posted on 04/12/2012 5:45:55 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Paratrooper

The little barry bastard regime head goon doubtless gave marching instructions to the fool prosecutor to charge Zimmerman as she did. The strategy appears to be to have a trial and an acquittal so the race rioting can begin. Holder is a racist thug working for a halfrican racist anti-American commie. It will get much worse before this is over. Watch for the ‘training runs’ of flash mobbing, preparing the feckless dullards to raise chaos on demand.


31 posted on 04/12/2012 5:47:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 70times7

From the 7-11 store locator the store in Sanford, FL is at

7-ELEVEN #25063
100 NORTH FRENCH AVE
SANFORD,FL 32771 (407) 322-6383

Some are saying that Zimmerman lived in Twin Lakes community:

Mapquest shows:

From: 100 NORTH FRENCH AVE sanford, FL

To: Twin Lakes, Sanford, FL

Distance: 5.35 miles

At 3:00AM he is going to walk 10.7 miles round trip to a 7-11?

What am I missing?


32 posted on 04/12/2012 5:48:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Paratrooper
What needs to be investigated is how the Trayvon Martin movement got started...out of DC by folks not related to the family, well after the shooting. I personally believe the Obama Administration and DNC were behind this movement.

Martin's parents brought in a "boutique" law firm that apparently is making a specialty of "civil rights" cases (read: racial agitation). Are the "black community leader" types and some D.C. and state politicians involved as well? You bet. But that lawfirm is making themselves a name in the black community. Just wait, they'll start turning up in any case where some black guy gets killed by a non-black.

33 posted on 04/12/2012 5:48:17 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 70times7
Almost immediately, within around thirty-seven minutes after the shooting, Zimmerman was already waiving his right to an attorney. He then proceeded to interview with the police for several hours without any legal representation present.

The very fact that he did this, stupid as it may have been, and they STILL don't have squat to charge him with (Dershowitz says the arrest affidavit was ‘irresponsible And unethical’) means that they aren't ever going to have squat to charge him with because he did nothing other than fight for his life.

34 posted on 04/12/2012 5:54:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: manc
DOMESTIC TERRORISTS:

Eric Holder approves.

DOMESTIC TERRORISM:

Eric Holder approves.

35 posted on 04/12/2012 5:55:59 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Roccus

would not surprise,me and I was surprised by how everyone came to the same thought.
A lot of good ole boys here too and one of them say to me laughing”look at those boy, you know damn well those boys are just looking to get thrown out and get those cameras down here”

Most others were just laughing at how pathetic they looked and how they acted


36 posted on 04/12/2012 5:56:32 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Scoutmaster
This may be the video Hannah made and oblique reference to on his show when talking about the call by Zimmerman to him
37 posted on 04/12/2012 5:56:32 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s why Angela Corey is a coward. She accomplished NOTHING but kick the can down the road.


38 posted on 04/12/2012 5:58:31 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
That’s why Angela Corey is a coward. She accomplished NOTHING but kick the can down the road.

I disagree, taking a cue from Richard Cloward and Frances Piven themselves; OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM.

This is going to roil the waters so badly that they aren't going to know whether to spit or go blind.

We have to learn to beat the Alinskyites at their own games.

Our problem is that we believe in truth, and truth ain't all that complicated, so we expect to wrap things up and move on to something else.

That is not what the Left does. The Left are like termites; they are eating away at the very foundations of our culture 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

You can't just fight them, win, and be done. You have to fight them and fight them and fight them and fight them forever.

That's what's happening here. Anything that keeps the ball in the air is good.

39 posted on 04/12/2012 6:05:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: Scoutmaster

I wonder if a toxicology report exists on the young Martin? Any illegal drugs in his system? He could have stopped and lit one up on the way back...


40 posted on 04/12/2012 6:07:26 PM PDT by Bud Krieger (Another President , another idiot......)
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To: 70times7

Of even more interesting possibilities is that the “kid” was carrying a box of Skittles he already had on him.

Look up Skittles Party on wikipedia— a party where punks bring a skittles box full of prescription narcotics or stimulants for games at the party. Maybe he didn’t go to a 7-11 at all, despite what the affidavit said.


41 posted on 04/12/2012 6:16:33 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Charles Martel

This is a legal firm in Tally. There are douches of the highest order. They had the right phone #s.


42 posted on 04/12/2012 6:17:30 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Bud Krieger

Tox. Reports mean nada. 50% of the kids his age smoke week. Doesn’t prove negligent behavior.


43 posted on 04/12/2012 6:19:39 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: 70times7

Just curious-—this was a “gated community” wasn’t it? If so, most of those communities that I have come across were either “manned” by someone in a gatehouse, or at the least a literal gate that you used either a key pad or some other method to gain access. So if that’s the case, unless he lived there or had friends who invited him, wasn’t he trespassing?


44 posted on 04/12/2012 6:25:18 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: goseminoles

Maybe there was more than weed?


45 posted on 04/12/2012 6:30:39 PM PDT by Bud Krieger (Another President , another idiot......)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b55elhYELUo

I wish they’d use this picture of Trayvon instead of the 5 year one of the 12 year old boy.


46 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:47 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Bud Krieger

There perhaps could be. Not sure if its an issue. Just a piece of the puzzle..


47 posted on 04/12/2012 6:36:23 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: mupcat

I don’t think you’ve been paying attention.

Trayvon was staying with his dad, who was living with his girlfriend there. He had every legal right to be where he was.

Could have been planning to do something illegal, but his actual actions, so far as we know them, were perfectly legal.


48 posted on 04/12/2012 6:39:21 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: mupcat

he was staying at with his dad at his dad’s girlfriend’s house, in the gated community.


49 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:15 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: manc
Now maybe they were silly little turds acting up or maybe they were looking for trouble/attention either way they did not get anything positive out of their act

Third possibility: misdirection. Get the attention of security and other employees focused on them, and not noticing their non-attention-seeking confederates who are using the opportunity to steal.

50 posted on 04/12/2012 6:45:15 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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