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California Declares War on Detached Homes
New American ^ | 11 APRIL 2012 15:36 | RAVEN CLABOUGH

Posted on 04/12/2012 3:27:11 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: muawiyah
California is, for the most part, a DESERT.

I'm a fifth generation CA native and know my very large Golden State -- the only states bigger are Alaska and Texas -- pretty well. It's amazing what some people consider "desert." I heard radio clowns John & Ken (KFI) once describe Cholame, where James Dean was killed in an auto wreck, as "out in the desert." Right -- rolling hills with creeks, oak trees, grazing land, and dry-farmed fields of livestock feed. If that's a desert, I'd hate to know what they thought Lancaster and out Edward AFB way is. Super desert???

I'd say maybe 25 percent of CA is actually desert -- you could irrigate those areas it 'til the cows come home and still not grow much of anything but scrub. The great, flat, and (when not irrigated) bone-dry San Joaquin Valley isn't a desert, it's a dried-up ancient inland seabed, which is why its soil is so fertile that it feeds (or did until environmentalists put a stupid tiny fish higher on the food chain than humans and stopped irrigation for farmers) most of the U.S.

It's such a myth that "Southern California is really one big desert!" Wrongo. Even before water was brought in, most of Los Angeles proper and the San Fernando Valley, and the areas from LA down to San Pedro and on down through Orange County all the way down to San Diego, are so UN desert that people settled to live here, farm, ranch, and prosper LONG before water was shipped in.

I've read enough California history and seen enough old photos, and talked to enough old-timers who remember life here in the 1800s, to know better than to believe the ol' "California is mostly desert!" poppycock.

21 posted on 04/12/2012 4:59:20 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: robowombat
Weren't these called strategic hamlets during the Vietnam war? Weren't they considered a part of a pacification program?

And as for them not wanting people to stroll the countryside, might such strolling be called a patrol? And might those on patrol be called armed citizens?

And is that or is that not part of the Declaration of Independence that says, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"?

Interesting questions, I think, for strategic hamlet planners.
22 posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:23 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: robowombat; All

It seems some of you aren’t really aware of what Agenda 21 is really about. It’s VITAL to you and your children/grandchildren that you study this as though your life depends on it - for it does, if you want your life to be free

Below is just a hint of it -

IF you aren’t aware - you’d best check your own communities for anything that says ‘Sustainable’ - this is HARDLY just California. It’s in every state - and even in small, rural areas.

You’d all better do a crash course in Agenda 21 = or y ou will find yourself, your kids ad grandkids squeezed into what is no more than a ghetto - where walls can quickly be built to surround them.

Thes ‘sustainable’ communities are much like the Kitbutz in Israel a few decades ago. they turned out to be disastrous and destroyed a whole generation of families, as to the traditional family structure...and individual autonomy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qW2XJZdSA&feature=related

Do you know what ICLEI is? It’s tha arm of AGenda 21 that is coing into your towns - in every state - and making deals with your town officials (big money changes hands) and “Sustainable Communities” will start to spring up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qW2XJZdSA&feature=related

and it isn’t just conservative republicans who are against AGenda 21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtCb45Lqt0&feature=related

A book every one of us need to have -

“Behind the Gren Mask” -


23 posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: robowombat

Zoning and land use laws are coercive, period.
Always have been.

I guarnatee you those complaining about these laws mandating 30 units per acre where not complaining about laws mandating no more than one dwelling per acre.

Let owners/developers decide how many units to put on land that they OWN.

You either defend property rights or you don’t. If you support zoning and land use laws, then you have already conceded owners not having the right to develop their property as they see fit.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:52 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: robowombat

Zoning and land use laws are coercive, period.
Always have been.

I guarnatee you those complaining about these laws mandating 30 units per acre where not complaining about laws mandating no more than one dwelling per acre.

Let owners/developers decide how many units to put on land that they OWN.

You either defend property rights or you don’t. If you support zoning and land use laws, then you have already conceded owners not having the right to develop their property as they see fit.


25 posted on 04/12/2012 5:03:08 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: robowombat
Yale University professor Karen Seto told MSNBC, “We certainly don’t want [humans] strolling about the entire countryside. We want them to save land for nature by living closely together.”

Someone ought to have a discussion before a public forum about this matter.
26 posted on 04/12/2012 5:07:21 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: robowombat
Can we start with Barbra Streisand's home on the Malibu coast?

-PJ

27 posted on 04/12/2012 5:08:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: robowombat; All
Wouldn't you love to live here? You won't even need a car - won't be allowed to.

This is a pic of a former Kibutz in Israel - and as bad as it is, it's better than the 'Sustainable Communites" thay are puttin up in America 0 for one thing, in the photo , they have even MORE yard per house...

It's past discouraging that so many are unaware that this is ALREADY in EVERY state - and in even small communities -

This is stealth takeover of the most insidious ever perpetrated on society.

BTW, Newt is the ONLY one who mentions Agenda 21 and vows to get America out of it. The others, I believe, know - but they are in with it. They like the idea of being the ruling elite over a people totally under their tule.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 5:12:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: muawiyah; All
RE my post #21: Make that, talked to enough old timers who remembered life in the 1800s, or who were one generation from parents who remembered because they were here. My own great-great grandfather and great-great uncles came from Michigan in the late 1800s and travelled all up and down California, on foot, to find the best place to grow flower seed crops, and ended up in Santa Ana (Orange County, near Disneyland). This was LONG BEFORE 1913, when the Mulholland's Los Angeles Aquaduct was completed. That water wasn't to irrigate "the desert," it was to support farmers and a growing population.

Just so y'all know -- when you hear somebody say "Oh, California (and/or Southern California) was all desert before the aquaduct!" it's a sure sign they don't know what they're talking about.

29 posted on 04/12/2012 5:15:41 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: robowombat
Thirty per acre? No problemo...you'll even have room to park your SmartCar...


30 posted on 04/12/2012 5:22:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Finny
There has always been a little bit of water in the South ~ enough to support about 100,000 people!

Today there are well over 22,000,000 people there, or 220 times as many as the naturally occurring water supply can sustain.

Those facts are readily ascertained. Now, answer me this, Rubio's ~ on Tuesday ~ are the fish tacos still $1.25 or have they raised the price again?

31 posted on 04/12/2012 5:31:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Finny
My own ancestors were the Americans who hauled the furs from the Russian Camp to the Spanish Mission to trade for vegetables to haul back to the Russians to take to Alaska.

Some of them lived on Sutter's property later on, and others managed to come up with a Mexican landgrant near Shasta. Been trying to figure out if they owned Shasta but the court cases were no more specific on that matter than the rough Spanish surveys of the region.

What else you want to know about water in California? It's all in the North ~ 'ceptin' the Japanese figured out how to dry farm (which still takes water but you don't bathe or drink for years on end eh ~ just keep the ofuro fired up no more than once a week to hold down evaporation).

32 posted on 04/12/2012 5:41:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lorianne

Just about everyone who opposes tight zoning and planning restrictions will turn into proponents if somebody wants to move a modern hog factory in upwind of them!


33 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lorianne
You either defend property rights or you don’t. If you support zoning and land use laws, then you have already conceded owners not having the right to develop their property as they see fit.

When I was young I used to argue with so called "conservatives" who thought it was just dandy for the government to put restrictions on private property owners. They thought property values out weighted property rights. There are FReepers today who will scream and shout at anyone who says they should have the right to park as many vehicles on their property as they want and let their grass grow as they please, totally ignoring the fact that if the government can mandate that they can mandate anything to do with private property.

We in the USA are supposed to own property in Fee Simple, in other words we are supposed to have full control over our own property and what we do with it, but in fact we have virtually NO control over what we do with our real estate, thanks to a**hats the embraced, and still do, zoning and land use laws.

34 posted on 04/12/2012 5:55:23 PM PDT by calex59
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35 posted on 04/12/2012 6:04:21 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: robowombat
Currently, in five southern California counties, as well as in some areas of Los Angeles County, 30 houses per acre is being mandated.

That's 1452 square feet to a lot! That's less area than I have INSIDE my house, excluding the garage!!

37 posted on 04/12/2012 6:20:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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You beat me to it. Cabrini Green California style.


38 posted on 04/12/2012 6:26:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: robowombat
California’s new housing policy fits right in to the eco-fascist agenda as laid out during the “Planet Under Pressure” conference in London, where climate-change alarmists unveiled their intent to minimize the amount of space humans utilize on the planet, leaving the rest to nature.

So the same people who think humans are morally nothing more than "naked apes" somehow exclude us from the "nature" entitled to make use of Earth. World class fools, intellectually dishonest/bankrupt. If they were any smarter, I'd be scared of them.

39 posted on 04/12/2012 6:27:03 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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40 posted on 04/12/2012 6:27:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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