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Campus Police Detain and Draw Weapons on Student Activist for Wearing Empty Holster
Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 9 April, 2012 | cbaus

Posted on 04/11/2012 9:53:16 AM PDT by marktwain

Columbus, Ohio – Ohio State University Police detained and drew their weapons on student-activist Mike Newbern for demonstrating his support for gun rights by wearing an empty holster to a candlelight vigil for Trayvon Martin on Wednesday.

Newbern, the president of Buckeyes for Concealed Carry, was taken forcibly into police custody just after 8:30 p.m., while he was standing at the front of the crowd wearing an empty holster, which was clearly visible on his belt, and with his hands crossed in front of his chest.

A police report released on Thursday indicates two officers drew their firearms before approaching Newbern and removing him from the vigil. They searched and questioned Newbern and confiscated his personal belongings, including his empty holster and camera case, before placing him handcuffed in the back of a cruiser for 30 minutes. Newbern was released at 9:07 p.m. but was informed by police that the field investigation would be forwarded to the university’s Committee of Academic Misconduct where he could be charged with disorderly conduct.

Newbern, who is a certified firearms safety instructor, said on Thursday he decided to attend the vigil to exercise his First Amendment right to demonstrate in favor of Ohio’s concealed carry laws. He said he suspects’ campus police and students harassed him because he is the leader of Buckeyes for Concealed Carry, a group Ohio State University President Gordon Gee has publically described as "vigilante."

On Tuesday, for example, President Gee expressed his continued opposition to the right for students to conceal carry on the Ohio State University Campus.

"You and I can debate that all day long and you have clear arguments," Gee said, addressing his remarks to Newbern. "But, I am in charge and we are not going to do it."

"We are very vocal in our struggle and I have become the face of our cause," Newbern said. "By invoking the most violent and most vivid imagery possible, they attempt to paint our progress towards self-defense as anything other than the natural rights that they are. And in this instance, the administration's toxic dialogue ran to its natural conclusion, which could have been prevented through more civil discourse."

EDITOR'S NOTE: Buckeye Firearms Foundation is looking into the situation. We are concerned for officer safety, but also for the civil rights of citizens. Campus security is a concern for many students, and having those who exercise their First Amendment rights on the topic hauled off at gun point will not solve any problems.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
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The first and second amendments of the Constitution reinforce each other. I have often said that the right to openly carry guns is as much a First Amendment right as it is a Second Amendment right.

Here the student is threatened with death and arrested merely for openly carrying a holster.

I do not see how you can have a more clear violation of constitutional rights.

Hearing the crowd cheering as the Second Amendment activist it hauled off in handcuff is absolutely chilling.

Video at the link.

1 posted on 04/11/2012 9:53:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

handcuff should be handcuffs


2 posted on 04/11/2012 9:54:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

So holsters are now banned?


3 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:25 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: marktwain

We conservatives need a real strategy for lawsuits for civil rights violations in cases like this.


4 posted on 04/11/2012 9:59:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Timber Rattler

WTF they going to do if you decide to carry your cell phone in a holster. I can see this as a national movement.


5 posted on 04/11/2012 10:02:02 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: marktwain

Holster’s are a big security threat, doncha know?

Especially “Assault Holsters”.....

Wearing one is a lot like flipping off a cop.
It’s not really illegal, but it really pisses them off....


6 posted on 04/11/2012 10:03:55 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: marktwain

So was he brandishing an invisible handgun?


7 posted on 04/11/2012 10:05:19 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: marktwain

Naked fascism. No wonder there has been a huge spike in “officers” being shot. When officers of the law become soldiers of a totalitarian state they deserve whatever comes their way.


8 posted on 04/11/2012 10:08:27 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Renegade

if you put a cell phone in a holster and pull it out in front of a cop, you deserve whatever happens next,


9 posted on 04/11/2012 10:08:36 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: marktwain
The Ohio State University Police Department can get ready for a grueling lawsuit. And they will lose.

"You and I can debate that all day long and you have clear arguments," Gee said, addressing his remarks to Newbern. "But, I am in charge and we are not going to do it."

Debate is a good thing. False arrest isn't.

"Newbern was released at 9:07 p.m. but was informed by police that the field investigation would be forwarded to the university’s Committee of Academic Misconduct where he could be charged with disorderly conduct."

While they are at it, they might as well provide a copy of the report to Newbern's attorneys. Just as a courtesy of course. And they should include a summary of their earnings and assets. They are going to have to provide it eventually also.

10 posted on 04/11/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Renegade

“carry your cell phone in a holster.”

Or a slide rule? Oh! Wait! WTH is a “slide rule?” Sheesh, I hated those things!


11 posted on 04/11/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: marktwain
Ohio State University Police detained and drew their weapons on student-activist Mike Newbern for demonstrating his support for gun rights by wearing an empty holster

But the FR jackboot lickers are always saying that the police are "on our side" whatever that means. They're also always saying that it's only that police chiefs and bureaucrats who are anti-gun not the rank and file. I guess Newbern was falsely arrested by some of the police chiefs.

12 posted on 04/11/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain

He might have had an invisible gun in it!


13 posted on 04/11/2012 10:12:47 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: FreedomPoster

Conservative strategy? LOL! I will tell you where to find one though. Each and every so called conservative needs to read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for radicals” not only to understand how the enemy operates but to co-opt their tactics. How is it that Bernadine Dorn and Bill Ayers are free citizens today and people like Black Panther Bobby Rush is a congressman? These are known terrorists who practiced the rules for radicals. Conservatives need to do the same but stay within the letter of the law in doing so. What is good for the Marxist pig is good for the righteous eagle. What if they gave a culture war and nobody came?


14 posted on 04/11/2012 10:14:42 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: FreedomPoster

Conservative strategy? LOL! I will tell you where to find one though. Each and every so called conservative needs to read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for radicals” not only to understand how the enemy operates but to co-opt their tactics. How is it that Bernadine Dorn and Bill Ayers are free citizens today and people like Black Panther Bobby Rush is a congressman? These are known terrorists who practiced the rules for radicals. Conservatives need to do the same but stay within the letter of the law in doing so. What is good for the Marxist pig is good for the righteous eagle. What if they gave a culture war and nobody came?


15 posted on 04/11/2012 10:14:56 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Binstence

None of the officers I worked with who were killed or wounded by gunfire in the line of duty worked for a totalitarian state.


16 posted on 04/11/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three
And they should include a summary of their earnings and assets

NOT TRUE. The police will not face the slightest consequences for their actions. If there are any financial consequences at all it (which I seriously doubt), then their employer and ultimately the taxpayers will shoulder the burden.

17 posted on 04/11/2012 10:15:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Respond Code Three
None of the officers I worked with who were killed or wounded by gunfire in the line of duty

And how many is that exactly?

18 posted on 04/11/2012 10:17:13 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Timber Rattler; marktwain

If you think about it he was really detained for a thought crime.


19 posted on 04/11/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: marktwain

Wear a holster? Where is the gun? There lies the problem as a policeman sees it.


20 posted on 04/11/2012 10:17:35 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: marktwain

In effect, he was arrested for not having a gun.


21 posted on 04/11/2012 10:18:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: marktwain

Just think of what would have happened to him if he had held up a poster with a gun on it!


22 posted on 04/11/2012 10:19:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain
This is about the same speed as a little kid getting suspended at school for drawing a picture of a gun.

Our nation is just so screwed....

23 posted on 04/11/2012 10:21:54 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Respond Code Three

Then my post does not apply to them. I support all officers of the law. I curse all soldiers of a totalitarian state.


24 posted on 04/11/2012 10:22:02 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: from occupied ga

I have defended the actions of officers on FR when the officers acted lawfully, and I have criticized the officers who acted outside of the law. I have known administrators and rank and file on both sides of the issue regarding open and concealed carry.


25 posted on 04/11/2012 10:22:55 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: morphing libertarian
"if you put a cell phone in a holster and pull it out in front of a cop, you deserve whatever happens next,"

Oh, I agree; it's way too much to expect the police to act like professionals, observe, think and understand a situation before they just react randomly. It's not like they're trained or anything.

26 posted on 04/11/2012 10:23:08 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: morphing libertarian

I deserve to make a phone call. Other than that the officer should be thrown off the force. He sure as hell is not protecting me . OH I forgot. The Supreme Court said the police don’t have a right to protect the public.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 10:24:02 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Binstence
"I support all officers of the law. I curse all soldiers of a totalitarian state."

On that, we are in agreement.

28 posted on 04/11/2012 10:24:08 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: morphing libertarian

I’m not sure you know what the word “deserve” means.


29 posted on 04/11/2012 10:24:16 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Manic_Episode

Our nation is so screwed up NOT because of strong neo-Marxists but because of weak and passive freedom fighters.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”— Attributed to Edmund Burke


30 posted on 04/11/2012 10:24:54 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“Wear a holster? Where is the gun? There lies the problem as a policeman sees it.”

PITY!

When I want an policeman’s idea on anything, I’ll give it to him. Allowing officers to get away with abuses such as this case only encourages future bad behavior. Sue the bachelor’s children!


31 posted on 04/11/2012 10:25:23 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Durus

In the context of my post deserve means totalitarian police deserve to be overthrown by any means necessary. Get it???? I didn’t think so.


32 posted on 04/11/2012 10:26:35 AM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: marktwain

The guy could have been thinking of going to Starbucks and using the holster as a cup holder.

WTH is wrong with these officers? They didn’t perceive any real danger but drew down on the guy anyway?

What if...wait for it...What if one of them accidentally discharged their firearm, striking one or more persons with severe injuries or killing them?

Actions have consequences.

Bozo’s...no wait... Ass Clowns!


33 posted on 04/11/2012 10:28:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: from occupied ga
"And how many is that exactly? "

More than one. That is why I wrote "officers," not "officer."

34 posted on 04/11/2012 10:29:54 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: marktwain
Apparently, they didn't arrest (molest) any other empty holster protesters, so how can they charge only one person with disorderly conduct? Tell you what...LEO’s better sit down with their families and have a long serious talk about what's more important...coming home every night or violating citizens rights. At some point, they can't have both.
35 posted on 04/11/2012 10:30:52 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: Binstence

I did not respond to a post of yours so the context of your post is immaterial. Get it???? I hope so.


36 posted on 04/11/2012 10:30:59 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: from occupied ga
But the FR jackboot lickers are always saying that the police are "on our side" whatever that means. They're also always saying that it's only that police chiefs and bureaucrats who are anti-gun not the rank and file. I guess Newbern was falsely arrested by some of the police chiefs.

Confused here. Pepper Spray activists? Treyvon Martin? Rodney King? OJ Simpson? NY Prosecutors? Fast & Furious?.....

The generalizations get confusing. Like many issues case by case objective judgments on the behavior/character of citizens, police, politicians, prostitutes, priests, etc. is more congenial for debate and discussion.

For those that presume all LEO are misdirected government minions hellbent on infringing on our rights, discussion and debate is pointless. Same can be said for those that are "FR jackboot lickers" as you say.

The cops in this case, presumably working under the premise of an activist with a gun, should have detained, investigated, apologized and immediately released the student. Then they should have investigated whatever report they received that called for their action. If they truly went any further than that, then the citizen's rights were violated. If the university takes any action that defames or otherwise affects the student negatively, they should be subject to a civil lawsuit.

Is that your opinion too?

37 posted on 04/11/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: marktwain

SUE, SUE, SUE!!!


38 posted on 04/11/2012 10:32:41 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Timber Rattler

The leader in localized security standards is TSA, which gets apoplectic at the mere image of a gun or supporting accessories.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 10:32:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Respond Code Three
Respond Code Three,"None of the officers I worked with who were killed or wounded by gunfire in the line of duty..."

FOG ,"And how many is that exactly?"

Respond Code Three," I have defended the actions of officers on FR when the officers acted lawfully, and I have criticized the officers who acted outside of the law..."

So in other words, none.

40 posted on 04/11/2012 10:33:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

See post #34.

What is your goal, here?


41 posted on 04/11/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: marktwain; All

ASt. Cloud police officer was shot in the finger by a fellow officer during a SWAT raid on Thursday, the Police Department said in a statement.
Officials said a St. CloudSWAT team was helping Kissimmee police serve a pair of search warrants at a home on Tarpon Street about 2:10 p.m.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-05/news/os-officer-shot-finger-st-cloud-police-20120405_1_swat-raid-officer-shot-fellow-officer


ALICIA TEJADA
Feb 25, 2012
A Massachusetts police officer suspected in the shooting of a fellow officer was found dead in what appeared to be a suicide, police said Friday night.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-shoots-fellow-officer-takes-life/story?id=15791450#.T4XAAZpSTeQ

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — A Minneapolis police officer is in stable condition after a bullet from another officer’s gun hit him in the leg Friday night while police were shooting at two pit pulls during an attempted arrest.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/03/30/police-officer-shot-wounded-in-north-minneapolis/

Do we see any pattern here? Is there a theme to this?


42 posted on 04/11/2012 10:41:18 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: Tenacious 1
Is that your opinion too?

If I could figure out what your opinion was from what you wrote then I could either agree with it or disagree with it. If it's "If the university takes any action that defames or otherwise affects the student negatively, they should be subject to a civil lawsuit." then I agree.

if it's "The cops in this case, presumably working under the premise of an activist with a gun, should have detained, investigated, apologized and immediately released the student." then I partially agree and partially disagree. He had an empty holster, not a gun. They were working under a false premise. Further he was detained after they clearly knew that all he had was a holster. Although I agree that he should have been immediately released and apologized to. (Does an apology constitute adequate compensation for false arrest?)

43 posted on 04/11/2012 10:42:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Renegade

Ill tell you what When the cops show up and you pull your phone out of a holster, have your family tell me where to send the flowers.


44 posted on 04/11/2012 10:43:21 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Durus

LOL. When you’re sure call me.


45 posted on 04/11/2012 10:44:12 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: from occupied ga
"The police will not face the slightest consequences for their actions."

At this point in time, you cannot be certain of that. Conduct unbecoming in the line of duty for police officers can have adverse consequences:

"The Canton Repositoryis reporting that notorious Canton Police Officer Daniel Harless, who was fired after being caught on his own police dash cam video last June verbally assaulting a concealed carry license holder and threatening to “execute” him, is trying to get his job back.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/04/03/canton-officer-who-threatened-to-execute-concealed-carry-holder-trying-to-get-job-back/#axzz1rkopjKIJ

Even if the college President and the Police Chief support the officers, they can still be successfully sued as individuals for violating someone's civil rights. When an officer knowlingly does something outside the scope of his duties he can be successfully sued and/or prosecuted.

46 posted on 04/11/2012 10:47:31 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: from occupied ga
"So in other words, none."

Wrong. More than one.

47 posted on 04/11/2012 10:50:01 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; marktwain
Wear a holster? Where is the gun? There lies the problem as a policeman sees it.

Cops aren't the brightest lights around. A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
48 posted on 04/11/2012 10:51:15 AM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: morphing libertarian

I was faced with a few choices. One of which was “maybe he doesn’t know what deserve means” and the other was “maybe he’s the type of jackboot licking usefull idiot who will gloss over murder by saying that a perfectly legal action somehow deserves the death penalty”. I chose the former but you seem intent on proving the latter.


49 posted on 04/11/2012 10:51:54 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: NEMDF

My goal is to clear away the overblow rhetoric that always flies out when the police are criticized. Police getting killed in the line of duty is a rare occurrence. Police work usually doesn’t make it into the top ten of dangerous professions although it came in at #9 in 2010 with a total of 133 fatalities nationwide most of which were traffic related. For someone to have known more than one officer who died in the line of duty is stretching the odds even if you look over a long period of time. Truck drivers, garbage men, roofers, commercial fishermen, etc. all have much more dangerous jobs. I’ve known a fair collection of the aforementioned over the years, including police, and the only one in all of the categories I knew who died on the job was a construction worker who fell backwards off a stepladder and hit his head.


50 posted on 04/11/2012 10:55:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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