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The Cost to operate a Chevy Volt - The typical Washington D.C. Solution and it's consequences
Email From A Relative | April 2, 2012

Posted on 04/02/2012 4:00:31 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.

The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.

16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.

$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.

$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.

So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.

REALLY? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money." --Margaret Thatcher


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chevyvolt; greenenergy; vanity; volt

1 posted on 04/02/2012 4:00:41 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The cost of a kwh is a tenth of that in the email.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 4:04:46 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Bogey78O

Yeah that jumped out at me too. Since he is off by at least an order of magnitude in the price of electricity this post is worthless. The electrical part of the usage of a Volt is cheaper than the gasoline part on a basic cost basis. It is all the other costs that bear against the Volt.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Iam1ru1-2

We have high electric rates per Kwh here in Maine, $.20 per hour. The rate listed in the article seems to be way to high.


4 posted on 04/02/2012 4:11:37 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: Iam1ru1-2

95% of those lib morons don’t even know where electricity comes from. It ain’t coming from solar or wind or algae! When 0bummer shuts down all of the coal-fired plants, the Govt Mtrs Dolts won’t run or catch fire, at least. They’ll be wonderful lawn ornaments.


5 posted on 04/02/2012 4:14:08 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

All I know is this:

THe battery gives you about what 1 gallon of gas gets you in terms of miles traveled.

1 gallon of gas is about 8 pounds. 1 rack of batteries that drives you as far as a gallon of gas is 560 pounds. That means you’re always hauling around 3-4-5 extra people in your car even when the batteries aren’t charged anymore.

1 gallon of gas costs $4.00 now, a relative high price for gas. The battery pack itself costs thousands of dollars, and charging it for ten hours at your rate of whatever per kw/h costs triple or quadruple a gallon of gas.

The physical volume of a gallon of gas is far less than the physical volume of the batteries required to store the electrical energy equivalent of one gallon of gas.

You can put one gallon of gas into your car in about 10 seconds. It takes ten hours to charge the batteries on a 120 volt line, about 5 on a 240 volt line.

You can store a gallon or more of gas in your garage and add it to your car as you need it, or even sell it to someone else who needs it if you don’t. You can’t keep spare battery packs around and just swap in a charged one while the other charges up. You can trade excess battery power to anyone else.

I can keep an emergency gallon of gas in my trunk if I need it. I can’t keep an emergency battery pack around to use when my current 560 pound battery pack runs out.

My gas car is not a much more severe electrical hazard in an accident setting. Can’t say that for hybrids or the volt.

And why is this car superior to hybrids that recharge the battery while driving and don’t require taxing the neighborhood grid for ten hours of power?


6 posted on 04/02/2012 4:16:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Impala64ssa; bajabaja; carriage_hill; AFreeBird; rightly_dividing; Charles Martel; Clay Moore
Motorhead, Collector Car Junkie, Speed Freak, Automotive Related Ping List.

Freepmail "Lazlo in PA" to be added or removed.

7 posted on 04/02/2012 4:17:19 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Regardless of the math its still at the mercy of rolling blackouts and disconnects from any smart meter.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 4:17:57 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

meant to say “you can’t trade excess battery power to someone else”, obviously.


9 posted on 04/02/2012 4:18:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The Volt is finished. It has such bad press and makes no sense to buy compared to far cheaper death traps with high MPG. Ironically, Opel has the same basic car in Europe, the Ampera, and it is doing better sales wise. They actually designed a car that looks a bit better and has a switch to turn off the batteries for cruising on the Autobahn. The Germans actually took customers in mind when designing theirs as opposed to Chevy just jamming together a POS to push out the door at Obummers insistence.


10 posted on 04/02/2012 4:25:34 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: brooklin
Top tier in Los Angeles is 30 cents an hour, add in contributions to lifeline power, local taxes, nuclear decommissioning, etc, and it works out to be closer to 45 cents an hour.

That's $6.30 to recharge a discharged Volt battery pack. Boy, look at those savings roll on in... Betcha that Volt will pay for itself in, umm, well, never at that rate.

11 posted on 04/02/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

In case anyone’s interested, here’s Bolling’s report (video starts automatically on loading the page): http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1428781506001


12 posted on 04/02/2012 4:31:08 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Where I live in Washington state it’s $0.08 per KWH (that’s including all taxes).


13 posted on 04/02/2012 4:40:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Interesting car...

If my memory is correct they took a Corvair Transmission / Engine mounted it up front ( think about it, it would put the engine behind the front wheels) and that tied to Citroen Suspension, Front and Rear. I am curious with those "bag" suspension bits how this drove and handled...

14 posted on 04/02/2012 4:46:03 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Iam1ru1-2
There was a left wing propaganda movie made a few years ago. Liberals actually believed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

Who Killed the Electric Car? is a 2006 documentary film that explores the creation, limited commercialization, and subsequent destruction of the battery electric vehicle in the United States, specifically the General Motors EV1 of the mid 1990s. The film explores the roles of automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, the US government, the Californian government, batteries, hydrogen vehicles, and consumers in limiting the development and adoption of this technology. After a premiere at the Sundance Film Festival, it was released theatrically by Sony Pictures Classics in June, 2006 and then on DVD by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment on November 14, 2006.

15 posted on 04/02/2012 4:47:21 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: kingu
That's $6.30 to recharge a discharged Volt battery pack.

Utilities offer special time-of-day rates for EV owners. If you do it just right then you can pay maybe 10 cents per kWh, and therefore your first 30 miles will cost you $2 to $3 - compared to $4.33 that I paid a few hours ago.

This would be great if the car itself is free or, say, is under $10K. But it isn't, and as result it will never be practical in financial sense, regardless of who you are and what is your travel pattern. If you drive a lot then you will be mostly burning gas (premium gas!) and if you drive a little then the car will rust and fall apart (7 to 10 years for batteries) before you reach the break-even distance.

In principle, an EV could be a good car for a city. But it has to be much, much cheaper than Volt and Leaf are. Perhaps they will become financially appealing if sold for under $10K. But that's not likely - the battery alone costs far more. We need better batteries before a pure EV becomes a viable option.

16 posted on 04/02/2012 4:49:43 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Iam1ru1-2
CleanCar
17 posted on 04/02/2012 4:51:18 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
The Volt is finished. It has such bad press and makes no sense to buy compared to far cheaper death traps with high MPG. Ironically, Opel has the same basic car in Europe, the Ampera, and it is doing better sales wise. They actually designed a car that looks a bit better and has a switch to turn off the batteries for cruising on the Autobahn. The Germans actually took customers in mind when designing theirs as opposed to Chevy just jamming together a POS to push out the door at Obummers insistence.

It is not just finished, it maybe even more of a laughing stock soon because of the new Ford Fusion. The question begs will the 2013 Fusion vs. The Volt become a political issue? Free market vs. almost Fascist sales tactics and push ( when sadly in actuality the Volt Engrs worked their hearts out )

Auto Extremist says it is a game changer and even the Honda Accord and Camry look old ( if my memory is correct )

The question is when is the comparison made, before or after November?

18 posted on 04/02/2012 4:55:29 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Iam1ru1-2
I pulled up to Fry's electronics in San Diego yesterday on my motorcycle. A blue Nissan Leaf had pulled up to the front of the building and plugged into an electric socket on the front of the building. The owner kept coming out to check the state of charge...a hostage who couldn't leave until the battery was sufficiently charged. Eventually, the charge looked good enough. He emerged from the car, removed the charger, then wandered inside to hunt down his wife and daughter. He pulled away leaving the socket open to the weather instead of closing the weather proof cover. I really doubt he had permission to use the socket. It was equivalent to pumping gasoline and driving off without paying for the product.

The electricity may be "cheaper" than the gas (especially if you steal it). The hours held hostage waiting for the charge are a really bad trade off. Life is too short to be wasted waiting for a battery to charge.

19 posted on 04/02/2012 5:09:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Two things: 1) Where is the motor vehicle tax in this scheme? Here in California there is a combined state and federal fuel tax of more than 60 cents a gallon, and 2) if we had significant numbers of EV’s, where do these idiots think we would get the power to charge everyone up? It would be one thing if we had an abundant supply of cheap nuclear power, but we don’t so EV’s do nothing for either energy independence or emissions.


20 posted on 04/02/2012 5:11:20 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: taildragger
I own a 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid 4x4. Since the day I purchased it, it has only turned out 32 MPG once during a very mild weather drive across the desert. Idaho winter temps require running the heater. MPG hovers around 21.6 all winter. Spring and Fall, the mild weather permit operation without heat or cooling. Mileage improves to 28 MPG. Summer temps require cooling. Back to 25 MPG. The high altitude doesn't help the mileage. Freeways at 75 MPH require the engine engaged. There is never a traffic jam, so the engine management to hop between electric/gas is rarely engaged. The 32 MPG was achieved in San Diego in early June. The electric mode is usually operating only in parking lots where pedestrians express shock and surprise at not hearing the vehicle approaching.
21 posted on 04/02/2012 5:18:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: taildragger

Your right. It was called the Reactor. I don’t know if it handled well at all with the mysterious green Citroen spheres. As far as I know, it was mostly for show and no go.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 5:20:12 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Plan on distance being reduced by 30% if running the AC in summer and the heater in winter.


23 posted on 04/02/2012 5:31:36 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Something is amiss in Obama’s policy. On the one hand he wants all to drive electric cars. Then he uses the EPA to shut down 26 power plants. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862793/posts

Something is not logical captian. I’ll wait till we get the dilithuim crystal power.


24 posted on 04/02/2012 5:36:54 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I thought that looked like Samantha and Darren from Bewitched. Here is a link with some info on the car. I also see that the episode is on youtube. I believe you can find it by searching “supercar”.

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/supercar.htm

25 posted on 04/02/2012 6:21:48 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Iam1ru1-2

***Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery.***

I have a magazine, NATIONAL WILDLIFE from 2008 with an interview with candidate Obama.

In it he says he wants ONE MILLION plug-in hybrid autos that get 150 MILES PER GALLON on the roads by 2015.

And by 2012 he wants 10% of our energy needs coming from renewable sources like solar and wind.

In other news today, Mitsubishi, in Ft Smith Arkansas is not going to start up their wind generator manufacturing plant. No one wants to buy their product.


26 posted on 04/02/2012 7:30:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: I Drive Too Fast

The Reactor was actually a car built for the 25th anniversary of the Hartford Autorama. Some Television studios saw the car and slipped it into some episodes of shows as a future car. The episode of Bewitched was actually written just for the car.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Your right.
"You're" maybe Laslo?

Please, for me?

28 posted on 04/02/2012 8:18:31 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favorite tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Your basically buying a car with a 600lb one gallon gas tank. Only a liberal could think that’s smart....the same crowd that has driven our country into 15 trillion of debt.

It is civically irresponsible to let this crowd near any issue requiring adult decision-making.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 8:24:09 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: _Jim

Only if you can get my name right.

Lazlo


30 posted on 04/02/2012 9:25:29 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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