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George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin What We Don't Know
Backwoods Home Magazine ^ | 3/24/12 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 03/24/2012 1:13:22 AM PDT by ebshumidors

The death almost a month ago of 17-year old Trayvon Martin at the hands of appointed neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman has become a cause célèbre that has even drawn the notice of our President, who notes that if he had a son he would probably look like Trayvon. I’m seeing some defending Zimmerman, and most demanding his head on a platter, and a whole lot of people who don’t understand how the justice system is geared to approach these things. As I’ve said earlier in this blog, in answer to reader query, we don’t know enough about what happened to rush to judgment yet, whether that judgment is justified self-defense, murder, or manslaughter. The police have made it clear that there is evidence that has not yet been made public, and may not be put forth until the Grand Jury examines the case next month. Some issues: The autopsy results, including toxicology screen, have not yet been released. If it turns out that the young man who died was fueled by drugs known to cause violent behavior, could that change our perceptions? That knowledge is not yet in our hands. (Reportedly, Zimmerman was not tested, and police indicate that he showed no signs of drug or alcohol impairment.) My advice to YOU if YOU’RE ever involved in a shooting: request to be taken to a hospital to have a blood sample and toxicology screen taken. A “negative for everything” result will prevent false allegations later that you were drunk or drugged-up when you pulled the trigger.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ayoob; banglist; massadayoob; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: ebshumidors

Wow...

Well, at this point, if I was Zimmerman, I would sue the Unites States, every bit of media in it, Glenn beck, Sean Hannity and, just guessing here, about 90-95% of its inhabitants for being a bunch of race-baiting racist a$$holes.

What a pathetic illustration of our society this entire debacle is.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 3:06:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ebshumidors

The kid was unarmed. He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property. Zimmerman was a hot dog cop-wannabe who never should have had a firearm.

I support the Second Amendment and the right to carry and the castle doctrine, but defending Zimmerman is wrong. Just let it play out in the courts, let justice proceed and STOP DEFENDING THIS GUY. He’s a threat to US and the Second Amendment through his apparently irresponsible behavior.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 3:13:41 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: kearnyirish2

??????

There was no statement about trespassing. He was walking home after visiting a relative. Even if he was walking through a “closed community”, shooting an unarmed person who is not committing a serious crime is an irresponsible action which threatens MY Second Amendment rights.

STOP DEFENDING ZIMMERMAN!!!


23 posted on 03/24/2012 3:16:47 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: ZULU

I didn’t defend Zimmerman; I want to know if the kid was trespassing.

As far as whether or not Zimmerman was justified, we’ll see; I don’t know enough about it either way.

STOP CONVICTING ZIMMERMAN!!!


24 posted on 03/24/2012 3:22:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ZULU

He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property....Read the police report. Why was Z treated for head wounds, front and back?


25 posted on 03/24/2012 3:22:57 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Krankor
I don’t think that’s the Trayvon Martin who was shot and killed.

Why not? It looks exactly like the pictures of Martin widely circulated in the press.

26 posted on 03/24/2012 3:23:06 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ZULU

“He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property.”

Try the police report - Mr. Zimmerman had injuries to his face and the back of his head from being beaten up on the ground.


27 posted on 03/24/2012 3:24:03 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: ebshumidors
"We don’t know enough about what happened to rush to judgment yet, whether that judgment is justified self-defense, murder, or manslaughter. The police have made it clear that there is evidence that has not yet been made public, and may not be put forth until the Grand Jury examines the evidence"

Thank you. That is what I have been saying all along. We have only gotten one side and things just don't add up.
We don't need the LSM as judge and jury. Sure it could be murder and if that is proven beyond a doubt, then Zimmerman should be punished approately.
So many things just don't make any sense at all. I do live near Sanford and yes the Sanford police department may not be the best, but I really don't think they would cover up a shooting just because the victim was black. Also the friend of the victim said he sent Travon out for the skittles and did not find out until the next day he was dead. That makes no sense at all. Many more things that we just don't know. One TV station here has it in for the Sanford Policed department over an incident several months ago with the old police chief. They played this up from the beginning.
All I want is to get the complete facts in a court of law so that so called witnesses will be under oath.
Now that REV AL & chief Race batter Jessie have gotten involved there is no way they will accept anything but Zimmerman in jail for life.
We may never know the truth. Last night here on the local news they stated that the police wanted to charge Zimmerman but the prosecutors office said they didn't have enough evidence. The police won't criticize the DA and that makes sense they have to work together all the time.

28 posted on 03/24/2012 3:30:49 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am the Only Daddy that will walk the line. . . . . . .)
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To: Safetgiver

"He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property."

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman


29 posted on 03/24/2012 3:52:35 AM PDT by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: sthguard

Yeah I can’t believe that about Santorum, what he said. On the other hand I can being that his IQ seems to have dropped about 80 points this past week. Amazing how someone I thought was smart and conservative can turn into Joseph Biden seemingly overnight.


30 posted on 03/24/2012 3:54:01 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (When the smart do nothing the stupid take over)
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To: ZULU
Agreed.

As has been reported elsewhere, Zimmerman is no stranger to the court system.

2005-CF-009525-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
07/18/2005
Criminal Felony
Closed CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

2005-MM-010436-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
07/18/2005
Orlando
Misdemeanor
Closed CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE

2005-DR-012980-O ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M 08/09/2005
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

2005-DR-013069-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A 08/10/2005
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS


Until this week, he was in arrears to the courts for the above cases. Someone must have told him it might be a good idea to take care of those payments.

Trayvon Martin was reported to be an A/B student and had no record.

He did not stop following Trayvon when requested to do so. Zimmerman was following Trayvon in his truck. Zimmerman with a gun and a history of an overabundance of 911 calls. Zimmerman seems to have been a train wreck waiting to happen.

A grown man (with a gun) following a 17 year old in a pickup truck. Who would not be spooked? We just do not know enough to make any judgments about what happened that night Let the facts come out.

31 posted on 03/24/2012 3:59:34 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: chris37

Wow...

Well, at this point, if I was Zimmerman, I would sue the Unites States, every bit of media in it, Glenn beck, Sean Hannity and, just guessing here, about 90-95% of its inhabitants for being a bunch of race-baiting racist a$$holes.

What a pathetic illustration of our society this entire debacle is.


Wow.

I don’t see how you left out the racist a$$hole names of Al Sharpton, Lois Farakhan and the New Black Panthers and of course VAN JONES outfit, and some with the last name Obama, of course let’s not forget ‘black in America’ dubbing what MAY BE ‘coon’ tapes,(well it’s what they hear)- CNN...
And posts on blogs pointing fingers and wrongly naming names of unfounded accusations .

What a pathetic illustration of our society this entire debacle is.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 4:06:59 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: ZULU

Bangin on your drums, are you?

That was possibly the most insane, racialist load of spew I have seen on FR. Go stand with the rest of the Panthers.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 4:08:24 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Mr. Zimnerman’s past brushes with the law have no bearing on this case. And it seems the victim was suspended from school, but that has no bearing on this case either.


34 posted on 03/24/2012 4:10:16 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

‘Trayvon Martin was reported to be an A/B student and had no record.’-——————

Except of course he was on 5 day suspension from school, visiting his father so his father ‘could straighten him out’...

other than that, keep up your propaganda...


35 posted on 03/24/2012 4:10:29 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: ZULU
The kid was unarmed. He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property. Zimmerman was a hot dog cop-wannabe who never should have had a firearm.

You are as ignorant and irresponsible as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and everyone else who is jumping to conclusions.

You know NOTHING, except to make assumptions based on what "you heard".

You have ZERO facts, yet presume guilt on one party over the other.

Neither party is at fault until we know all the facts.

Stop thinking like a liberal.

36 posted on 03/24/2012 4:10:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ebshumidors

37 posted on 03/24/2012 4:24:55 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Freddd

Well, I don’t know what you want me to do, freddd, I can’t mention every name in this mess or every name in the phone book for that matter.

Consider those names left out included in the 90-95% race-baiting racist a$$holes part of my post, because quit seriously, our entire country is being played for fools by a bunch of fools because we are fools.

I’ll tell you, one thing I have learned from this, among many things, is that mind control works, and it works damn well.

Look at them making the entire country come to the brink over the justified homicide of a gangsta criminal.

Look how many people on this website alone can’t even begin to see what has been done to them.

Look at our supposed own people like Beck and Hannity doing it to.

I am definitely sticking with my final statement though-

What a pathetic illustration of our society this entire debacle is.


38 posted on 03/24/2012 4:27:03 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ZULU

Meh.

Here’s a towel for your drool.

Use it before you drown in it.


39 posted on 03/24/2012 4:29:14 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

*note*

Adding ZULU to the list of fools...


40 posted on 03/24/2012 4:32:49 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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