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Navy Expected to Recommend a Force of About 300 Ships
National Defense Magazine ^ | 3/16/2012 | Sandra Erwin

Posted on 03/23/2012 9:08:26 PM PDT by U-238

A "force structure" review that is about to be completed is likely to recommend that the Navy needs around 300 ships to meet its future demands.

The study is not yet finished, but could be presented to Navy Secretary Ray Mabus as early as next week, said Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert.

A 300-ship Navy is slightly larger than the current fleet of 285, but it is smaller than previous recommendations. Navy leaders since 2006 have said the fleet should grow to 313 ships.

During a breakfast with reporters March 16, Greenert said the review is not "budget driven" but is based on what the Navy projects it will need to carry out global responsibilities by 2020.

After Mabus gives the study the green light, it will be sent to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta for approval, and then presented to congressional committees before it is publicly released, Greenert said.

The 300-ship recommendation is likely to spur criticism from Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee, who have chided Navy leaders for under-funding shipbuilding accounts at a time when naval forces are in high demand, and a potential crisis is brewing in the Persian Gulf.

From the current fleet of 285 ships, 100 are deployed, said Greenert.

He pushed back on the criticism that the Navy is not budgeting enough money as it seeks to expand its presence in Asia-Pacific, the Middle East and increase support of Southern Command's antidrug campaign. "I am comfortable that we can resource the strategy properly," Greenert said.

The 300-ship Navy, however, would not materialize until after 2020. The current budget forecasts a 285-ship force at least through 2017.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaldefensemagazine.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dod; nsp; nss; pentagon; raymabus; usnavy
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1 posted on 03/23/2012 9:08:30 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238
If they put 2 or 3 carriers and their air wings into the equation it might be reasonable...
2 posted on 03/23/2012 9:22:53 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: U-238

do the launches, gigs, water taxis and whatnot count against the 300?


3 posted on 03/23/2012 9:26:31 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: U-238
Never happen with SecNav Mabus, SecDef Panetta, or POTUS Obamination in charge.
4 posted on 03/23/2012 9:47:35 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: RitchieAprile

No.


5 posted on 03/23/2012 9:47:40 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: MasterGunner01

I can’t remember

What did Reagan want?

600?


6 posted on 03/23/2012 9:55:59 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Steve Newton

In regard to the 600 Ship Navy, understand that the mission has changed, the enemies have changed, and the technologies have changed.

While you still need a certain amount of iron-on-target, 100% control of the world’s sea lanes against a huge, worldwide naval adversary is no longer required.


7 posted on 03/23/2012 10:05:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: MasterGunner01

If 0bama gould get away with it, he’s sell the US Navy to the Chinese or Russians.


8 posted on 03/23/2012 10:22:59 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Steve Newton

Yes. 600 minimum.


9 posted on 03/23/2012 10:23:45 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: U-238
A 300-ship Navy...

You just can't have Too Much Navy.

10 posted on 03/23/2012 10:34:09 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Steve Newton
Reagan took us up to a 594 active duty fleet in 1987 up from Cater's 533 in 1979.. Poppy had us down to 471 by 9/30/92. Slick Willy had us cut even lower at 318 in 2000. Not to be out done by Slick Willie or Poppy the Smirking Chimp's Navy was at 278 in 2007. U.S. Navy Active Ship Force Levels, 1886-present We are at 285 as of 9/30/11.
11 posted on 03/23/2012 10:44:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: U-238
From the current fleet of 285 ships, 100 are deployed, said Greenert.

Which in the long run will bring serious issues. The ratio for standard deployments should be about 1:4 meaning three ships to one deployed either in overhaul, brief shipyard period {three months post deployment}, doing pre-deployment work ups {which is not same as a deployment} or deployed. There just isn't much way too keep the fleets maintained right otherwise. 400 active duty should be minimal.

12 posted on 03/23/2012 10:52:02 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I want the go back to the days where we had a 600 ship navy.


13 posted on 03/23/2012 10:57:37 PM PDT by U-238
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To: cva66snipe

In 1990, we had the largest fleet in the world.With 15 carrier battle groups, four battleship surface action groups, and over 100 attack submarines.


14 posted on 03/23/2012 11:02:31 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238
A lot of the maintenance issues started about that time as well as the cuts. The JFK's Ship Lift Extension Program was botched, America was denied S.L.E.P. and was literally ran to death early, JFK after S.L.E.P. was unofficially a reserve ship meaning lacking funds for maintenance. All of which came to a head immediately after 9/11. We also went from four too one carrier builder.

The nuke powered subs had a service life of about 20-25 years and could not be extended. When their time was up many were decommissioned with no replacement.

Congress, POTUS, Sec of Defense, and Service Secretaries of the post-Reagan years basically let things start declining and none of them had the ambition nor will to stop the gutting of our military in either party.

15 posted on 03/24/2012 12:21:55 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: unkus

The way that ship construction costs are going through the roof, the Navy won’t be able to AFFORD a 300 ship fleet, unless you count lifeboats and rafts.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 12:48:28 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: cva66snipe

I agree with you.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 12:58:39 AM PDT by U-238
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To: tcrlaf

100% control of the world’s sea lanes against a huge, worldwide naval adversary is no longer required....

At this time.

Ok, I’ll settle for 400.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 1:14:59 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Steve Newton

I believe that was then SecNav Webb, that requested a 600 ship navy. Subsequently, he resigned because he refused to reduce the size of the navy.


19 posted on 03/24/2012 2:56:33 AM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: U-238
U.S. Code of law explicitly limits the total number of four-star admirals that may be on active duty at any given time. The total number of active duty flag officers is capped at 216 for the Navy

Let's mandate that the ratio of flag officers/Navy ships be capped at 1/4. It seems to me that four ships per admiral is reasonable. /S

20 posted on 03/24/2012 5:30:52 AM PDT by Makana
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