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U.S. official: Bales to be charged with 17 counts of murder
cnn.com ^ | 3/22/12 | Larry Shaughnessy,

Posted on 03/22/2012 5:07:43 PM PDT by ColdOne

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To: passionfruit

Traumatic brain injury covers a lot of ground. His brain injury was a mild concussion from a rollover accident, not a severe injury from an IED. There was no treatment needed. He was sent back into combat because he petitioned to be retained in the service and convinced a medical board that he was fit.


51 posted on 03/22/2012 8:25:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: peteyd
"An Article 32 hearing, which recommended that Charges against Hasan be referred to a General Court Martial, began on October 12, 2010. Hasan was arraigned on July 20, 2011 and trial was scheduled for March 2012. On February 2, 2012. a military judge ruled that Hasan will stand trial on June 12, 2012. "
52 posted on 03/22/2012 8:57:10 PM PDT by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: Pelham

“His brain injury was a mild concussion from a rollover accident, not a severe injury from an IED”

Yet just tonight, I read that the roll over accident was caused by an IED.

Can we agree that the facts are dribbling in slowly and we don’t have all the facts yet?


53 posted on 03/22/2012 9:06:25 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: ohioWfan

This is interesting...

Even if Bales’s victim had pressed the claim, Bales had protection under laws that shield members of the military from some financial obligations.

Any active-duty member of the military can apply for relief from outstanding financial obligations as long as he or she makes less in the service than before, said John Odom, a retired Air Force colonel and a partner at the law firm of Jones & Odom in Shreveport, Louisiana.

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-shooting-suspect-did-not-pay-fraud-judgment-020721574.html


54 posted on 03/22/2012 9:43:55 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: dadharry

All I have to say to you is.....from the bottom of my heart, thank you for your service to our country. God bless you.


55 posted on 03/23/2012 1:14:20 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Steve Newton

“Blessings my FRiend

And thank you for your service

Your home now

God bless”

Blessings? yes!
God Bless? yes!
Thank you??!!!! Sorry, no way!

This individual has single handedly undone a great deal of hard work by thousands of good soldiers, under the SAME conditions, who have acted with honor and valor. This was an act of DISHONOR that mars EVERY soldier who serves to protect this country. It’s true that we’re not over there we don’t know what they face or the terrible stress they are under, but tens of thousands of soldiers HAVE faced those conditions and did not become accused mass murderers!

To support this is just nuts. It’s like saying to Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitmen, or Major Hasan...we know you are murderers but Thank you for your service to your country! Nuts! That’s what that is and so is every comment that minimizes the dishonorable conduct of this rogue soldier.

This is about MURDER! I cannot believe I’m reading all the supporting words here. The guy committed MURDER and there is no excuse for that! For the sake of our military, for the sake of international relations he needs to face a fair trial with the possibilities of facing the ultimate punishment. C’mon people this was just wrong what the man did, and IF found guilty there is NO excuse for it.


56 posted on 03/23/2012 4:46:26 AM PDT by AlwaysFrosty
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To: AlwaysFrosty; dadharry
Um, yeah...I think that reply was to dadharry who served 3 tours in Vietnam, and it wasn't about SSgt. Bales.

Too many posters flying off the handle on this thread IMO.

Mrs. Prince of Space

57 posted on 03/23/2012 4:55:20 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: Prince of Space

Um, yeah...I think that reply was to dadharry who served 3 tours in Vietnam, and it wasn’t about SSgt. Bales.

Too many posters flying off the handle on this thread IMO.

Then I do offer sincere apologies to dadharry! No disrespect!

Still stand by the overall statement in regards to those who seem to want to excuse or dismiss what this person did.


58 posted on 03/23/2012 5:13:06 AM PDT by AlwaysFrosty
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To: Pelham

Here’s where I read it.

“Browne had earlier suggested that the Army should not have sent Bales to Afghanistan after he suffered a concussive brain injury on his third tour in Iraq after his vehicle hit an IED.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/staff-sgt-robert-bales-expected-charged-17-counts-233048462.html


59 posted on 03/23/2012 5:14:13 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: MinorityRepublican
If true, Bales needs to be executed by a firing squad.

Every one seems to be forgetting Major Nadal Hasan. It's been two years and no one is talking about the death penalty for him. Anyone remembers him? he gunned down several of his fellow troopers a few years back.

At least Bales was in a combat zone and could have snapped.

60 posted on 03/23/2012 5:38:24 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80
Long before goes to trial, he will be lynched by the media. And members of this forum will be cheerleading and leading the charge. Just as they are with Zimmerman here in Florida.

Only in Florida, Zimmerman is not the issue. The issue[s] are Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law and the Concealed Carry law. The Socialists want them both repealed.Then the law abiding citizens will not be able to defend themselves and the street gangs will be able to terrorize and control them for the politicans.

But, who gives a damn, right? The sheep will still have March Madness, American Idol, their soap operas, and Monday Night Football. They may not have a television to watch them on, but they will still be there.

61 posted on 03/23/2012 5:49:38 AM PDT by sport
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To: matthew fuller

To: peteyd
“An Article 32 hearing, which recommended that Charges against Hasan be referred to a General Court Martial, began on October 12, 2010. Hasan was arraigned on July 20, 2011 and trial was scheduled for March 2012. On February 2, 2012. a military judge ruled that Hasan will stand trial on June 12, 2012. “

Now that is swift justice while still getting his 0-4 pay, medical, and I presume disability on top of that. I mean what, it’s been 3 years since the incident with multiple witnesses observing the murders. My guess is that the trial will probably get delayed again until after the Nov elections.


62 posted on 03/23/2012 5:57:09 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: AlwaysFrosty

Yes what Bales did was horrible, but the actions are the fruit of a war of attrition and COIN. Our strategy is suicidal not just from a monetary standpoint, but from soldiers becoming sacrificial lambs at the expense of idiotic IRs.


63 posted on 03/23/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi

Exactly. Sgt. Bales deserves our sympathy, but to call him a “hero” or to justify what he did is just nuts.


64 posted on 03/23/2012 8:14:11 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio esta enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Texas resident

[ Major Hassan is STILL awaiting trial, but this guy will be tried and convicted in a New York minute.

Something real damn fishy here. ]

Hassan is still getting millitary pay as well....


65 posted on 03/23/2012 9:01:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: rollo tomasi
"My guess is that the trial will probably get delayed again until after the Nov elections. "

I agree.

66 posted on 03/23/2012 9:59:02 AM PDT by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: ColdOne; All

People should remember that Bales entered the Army perhaps as a means of escaping a civil judgement for securities fraud:

http://www.stockbrokerfraud.com/downloads/Robert-Bales-PDPI.pdf


67 posted on 03/23/2012 10:06:34 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: GraceG
I received this email from a friend. Not sure if he wrote it or if it was written by someone else.

"A U.S. soldier, in an isolated war zone, killed Afghanistan civilians -- a tragic event -- however, it exposes an irony.There are quick international and national demands to try this soldier quickly and execute him, never mind his having possibly suffered a traumatic brain injury in combat, and definitely having post traumatic stress disorder syndrome related to being on his fourth active duty combat tour in the Middle East.

Yet U.S. Army Major Hasan, who murdered people in Fort Hood while screaming Allah akbar, still hasn't stood trial, and they are still debating whether he was insane, even with the clear evidence regarding his premeditated motive and acquisition of weapons, etc.

So, the United States has a soldier in a war zone who cracks, and people want him executed immediately. But another U.S. soldier, a Muslim psychiatrist, who was stateside in a nice safe office every day murders 13 and wounds 29 -- they stall his trial, and argue the 'poor lad' suffered post-traumatic stress syndrome, from listening to real soldiers who had actual battle experiences, and problems.

Figure that one out!!"

68 posted on 03/23/2012 11:30:57 AM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: NVDave

Wow same Bales? interesting.


69 posted on 03/23/2012 12:31:08 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: dadharry

I agree. The worst I think should happen to Sgt. Bales is a life sentence to a military faciity for the insane.


70 posted on 03/23/2012 1:22:22 PM PDT by altura
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To: Texas resident

Tell me about it.Billary is announcing “we will bring him to justice (Bales)”.Look world we mean business when it comes to an American soldier killing “innocents”,but when it comes to a muslim killing innocent Americans,well hold on now,we can’t rush to judgement.Hassan needs to be given a fair trial.
Yeah,you’re correct!
There is one whale of a stink here.


71 posted on 03/23/2012 2:41:06 PM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: Girlene; Notary Sojac

France may become the bellwether. And start expelling moslems. Wouldn’t that be a real scream? France leading a charge? LOL

Day in. Day out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862979/posts


72 posted on 03/23/2012 2:52:39 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: passionfruit

“Can we agree that the facts are dribbling in slowly and we don’t have all the facts yet?”

Absolutely.

The information I have about Bales comes from Bryan Suits, who has a weekly talk show on KFI dealing with military issues. He seems to have good sources and he spoke about Bales in some detail.

There may well have been an IED involved in the roll-over, but from what I recall Bales’ vehicle wasn’t hit by it. More like they rolled their vehicle trying to get away from the explosion ahead of them. I do know that Suits said the TBI wasn’t the severe sort that comes from an IED, it was a mild concussion from the rollover itself.

But as you say the information is dribbling out. Keep in mind when you read Browne that he’s Bales’ lawyer and he has a dog in the fight.


73 posted on 03/23/2012 10:03:29 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: ohioWfan
You, who think it's good to kill innocent women and children, are the one with the problem.

I seem to recall one commander who was given specific orders to destroy a city, the persons in the city {all of them}, and every living animal in the city, as well and leave nothing living. Mistake number one is assuming there are innocents in enemy nations. Mistake number two. Restricting the actions of ground troops. Mistake number three. Fighting wars by insane rule books. Mistake number four. Going to war with any nation without intention to destroy the entire nation if necessary to achieve the military objective.

Rule number five is the easiest of all. If rules one through four make you sick and you feel you can't allow them to happen then Stay Home and don't send troops too war because you have no moral right to do so.

If you hit abuse on this I ask the Mods to at least let me clarify from who the commander I speak of was as it is recorded history as well as the misery treaties can bring by nations being less than honest about their intent.

The idea of kinder, gentler, war is a product of Marxist accepted by the gullible masses they have educated since post WW2. There is no such thing as a kinder gentler war. How many more wars till we learn? Had any of the Commanders in chief involved in this went to war as war should be the man in question man would not have made four combat tours.

War is a horror to all. It especially should be one too the enemy nation we fight against. I'm sick and tired of seeing our troops pushed beyond conditions our leaders should never demand of them then punish them. I get even angrier when one ask to serve is pushed beyond their minds limits or has to make a snap judgement and our cowards who sent them there too start with waste niot a second trying to punish them. The soldier in question by all rights due to his previous injuries should have been medically dischaged and not put back into combat.

74 posted on 03/24/2012 1:25:02 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ohioWfan

I agree with you.


75 posted on 03/24/2012 3:04:53 PM PDT by Jennikins (We are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: ohioWfan
The post I made I'll explain. Since Post WW2 our nation and our military have gotten far removed from the requirements of war. How should war be fought? Where are the answers both in treatment of enemy and our troops?

The R.O.E.'s or Rules Of Engagement were written several thousand years ago and carried out by a leader mankind simply knows as Joshua. One battle he lead was so intense not one person except a prostitute and her family survived it. All others in the enemy city died as did all animals. The Book Of Joshua also shows what Treaties with less then honest nations will get you.

War is a judgment upon a nation as history shows time and time again. There are no innocents in war especially those in the enemy nation. Our society today due to a warped sense of war is outraged at civilian causalities in a ground offensive yet hardly blinks if bombs from our aircraft kill thousands in one night. Dead is dead.

A soldiers job as any service member is not Nanny, Baby Sitter, peace keeper, nation builder, etc. Their mission is too seek out the enemy and kill. You kill till one of three things happen. The nation unconditionally surrenders like Japan & Germany did, the enemy nation overthrows it's government and stops fighting, or the enemy is eliminated from the face of the earth. This is no other kinder, gentler, way. Our Founding Fathers understood this and that is why our military and our civilian law enforcement should not be as one.

We abandoned the principles of war and the lessons of Joshua beginning in Korea. Today we are mocked by North Korea. I'm old enough also to remember the Pueblo incident and a president who sent an unarmed ship purposely into harms way.

Our treatment of our troops? Many say they support the troops. Our last POTUS to understand the meaning of such was likely Reagan before that was FDR the Socalist he was even he undstood it. Letting an enemy nation and enemy nationals dictate how we fight is morally wrong. Letting them on their word accuse our troops of crimes in combat or in their country and we punish them is wrong. As long as they do not attack our own I don't care. If they think House A has a sniper living or staying there then level it. Level several blocks to make sure afterward.

The court martials which took place in the past decade show just how low our leaders go both GOP and DEMs alike. I have no respect for any Sec of Defense after WW2. They were a disgrace and Donald Rumsfeld was as pathetic at the task as Robert McNamara was under LBJ. They are fighting under rules of engagement written for U.S. by Marxist.

No troops since WW2 have received a true hero's welcome. Our leaders, our media, our Marxist ran education system, has labeled ones who go to war as criminals to be scorned, shamed, or punished by some overzealous Marxist JAG Officer who shuffled papers in an office safely back in the states getting his law degree paid for.

If we read in The Bible we see where King David's soldiers went after the man who took his kingdom away from him. They fought hard in several battles, many died for him in battle, and the enemy leader of the king was slain. King David refused to honor his troops. Why? Because they killed the man who stole his kingdom whom was also his son. Even David though after correction wised up and repented. Our leaders refuse to do so.

Not one Freeper knows what really happened to Bates. Could any Freeper do four tours {one year each} into combat under those conditions and keep their sanity? No I doubt it seriously. Our troops are being ran ragged. There has been no substantial stand down since Desert Storm. But there has been massive cuts in the number of active duty. This means fewer do more. Today's soldiers and Marines in many units are seeing far more combat time than any soldiers did in WW2. in WW2 there was set agenda and goal. In Iraq there was well Gee let me see which way the political wind blows Bush and Obama.

Sgt Bates by all rights in previous times would have been released from service with compensation after his foot injury. Now we have amputees in the military. The Armed Forces is not a place for social engineering. It is for national defense and war. Give those injured their due compensation, help, and respect due them plus more in the civilian life.

No one can withstand combat with no goal or ones that change day to day with no clear objectives or conclusion of victory. What is being done to our troops is immoral and has been such since Korea and every POTUS who was CIC in those wars from Korea-present failed. The congress same thing.

SGT Bates faced a hell daily I can not begin to imagine keeping my sanity in. Our leaders put him there. I refuse to let the media convince me to condemn him. I won't condemn him. I'll thank GOD it wasn't me whom the government abandoned.

This nation needs to wake up and rethink it's values. Either go to war as war no hold bared or stay home. Toss out the PC history books written past 1950 and see what The Bible says about war and treatment of soldiers. The only one winning today is the Marxist in power and their media mouth pieces. SGT Bates needed help two deployments ago to make certain there wasn't deployment 3 & 4 to follow. Where was our nation? Where were our presidents? Where was congress? Where were we?

76 posted on 03/24/2012 5:00:17 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe; Girlene; Gene Eric
Where were we?

I see the mods put this back on the sidebar.

Thanks for that. I've posted pretty much the same over time..

But hey, my opinion means naught. I'm (apparently) just an insane military hating leftist.

Deuteronomy 2-34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain

Deuteronomy 3-6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city

Doubt we'll ever find out about those Wheaties though.

77 posted on 03/24/2012 7:45:08 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred
I just realized I got his name wrong. Until as a nation we recognize war for what it is supposed to be and treat it with the seriousness and commitment it requires, good soldiers, Marines, airmen, and sailors, will die in wars our leaders we elected lack the will to win. This must end. It's a disgrace when our leaders are willing to do almost anything for an enemy nation's people which we are at war with and our soldiers are treated like criminals in the process. The legal persecutions through prosecutions of our own deployed service members should have been stopped at the level of either Sec of Defense or CIC. That is what Presidential Executive Orders are supposed to be used for.

It is for reasons like this I believe POTUS should be required to go before congress and ask for a formal written Declaration of War giving reason and clear military objectives. This can be done in a matter of hours now. Most of congress is living an hours drive or less away even when out of session. There is no excuse not to require it to deploy into war overseas. Make POTUS and congress give cause and commit themselves too it. Last thing we should withdraw completely from all Geneva Convention Treaties. War is hell. It's time we started fighting it as such or stay home.

78 posted on 03/24/2012 8:50:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
We will never know what really happened over there. No free press in this country, anymore.
That's the bottom line. That's the truth. The socialist government and it's media sycophants lie about everything. Everything. Period.
79 posted on 03/25/2012 4:28:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: cva66snipe; bigheadfred
Why would I hit abuse on such a thoughtful post?

I would, however, point out to you that what God commanded people to do in the Old Testament cannot be used to say that it's good to kill innocent women and children without such direction from the Almighty God.

This mindless keyboard commando is not saying that it might just be necessary in war, but saying that a soldier who shoots unarmed women and children, with potentially no military objective is a 'hero.'

I completely agree with you on the restrictive ROE, the excessive deployments and goal-less, point-less 'mission' we now have in Afghanistan. It's a complete mess now.

But I will repeat my main point. This soldier...IF he is guilty....has unnecessarily and unproductively put the rest of our troops in greater danger. He has killed civilians with no military objective, and if he is found guilty, should be punished to the full extent of military law. Our military has always held higher standards than any other in the world's history, and what this soldier (allegedly) did berates the US military and all it stands for.

And anyone here on FR who calls endangering our own troops.....again for no military purpose...... 'heroism' is warped. Completely and utterly warped.

(bighead, only pinging you because I'm talking about you - not because I care to read any more of your messed up, anti-military drivel).

80 posted on 03/25/2012 9:02:30 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Jennikins
Thank you, Jennikins.

We're in the majority here. I try not to let the phony keyboard bravado get me down.

But they do make us all look bad, and that's unfortunate.

81 posted on 03/25/2012 9:06:26 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: samtheman
That's the bottom line. That's the truth. The socialist government and it's media sycophants lie about everything. Everything. Period.

Such an unfortunate truth, sam. We have, for all intents and purposes, no legitimate media outside a few conservative outlets.

Just think about how they lied and covered up for the Islamic terrorism of Hassan and his massacre at Ft. Hood. For me it was one of the most sickening lies and distortions since Obama was elected.......and that's really saying something, since there has been nothing but lies and distortions since before he was elected.

The media committed suicide in 2008 in its love affair with Marxist Obama.

82 posted on 03/25/2012 9:11:41 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks for the ping ohio.

I ain’t gonna fight with you. It is pointless.


83 posted on 03/25/2012 9:12:07 AM PDT by bigheadfred (insane military hating leftist /s)
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To: ColdOne
After Ft. Hood, Obama Told Us Not To Jump To Conclusions....This was just a workplace shooting you see, not terrorist related or anything.
<----FU, you marxist muslim America-hating faggot illegal alien

Major Nidal Hasan, accused of the 2009 mass shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 dead, [32 wounded] has retained his military rank and continues to get paychecks from the government, the base commander said Wednesday.

Lieutenant General Donald Campbell, Jr., the commander of Fort Hood, said Hasan’s confinement and medical expenses are also being paid for by the military, KXXV-TV reported. He receives weekly medical treatment and is occasionally transported to meet with his defense team.

From Casey:

"Our diversity, not only in our Army but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse. ...

From Cambell:

"The bottom line is when you cut through everything we are as an army, we have to be fair to him regardless of what we saw or we think we saw or whatever the case may be,” Campbell said. “It’s imperative we maintain the integrity of the court martial so he gets as fair a shot as possible defending himself with his team.

Bale will no doubt be tried and executed before the years out.

84 posted on 03/25/2012 10:05:01 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Electric Graffiti

“Major Nidal Hasan, accused of the 2009 mass shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 dead, [32 wounded] has retained his military rank and continues to get paychecks from the government, the base commander said Wednesday.”

Wipe out a good chunk of Fort Hood......get a paycheck........sounds about right....


85 posted on 03/25/2012 10:43:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ohioWfan
No one will ever know if he is guilty. Unfortunately our government has opened a complaint department for enemy nationals to use against us every time we have entered a war since Korea. This is the end result we see today. It should not endanger our troops anymore than a bomb dropped from a plane. It would not endanger any if they ignored it and didn't allow media into our war zones.

If he had killed his own troops or U.S. civilians either deployed or stateside then yes a Court Martial is in order. This is Afghanistan which is being fought like Iraq, like Nam, like Korea, where the armies hide in amongst the civilians homes and shoot from same. There is but one answer in these cases. Kill them one and all. If he suspected a Sniper in that area and took out what he saw as a target even if brass didn't approve he is a hero in my book. He saved lives.

If the pressures of his fourth deployment became too much and he finally "broke" under combat stress or PTDS Combat Fatigue etc he is still a hero in my book and does not deserve a Court Martial. He deserves help. Several Freepers know the man personally and one served with him on a deployment. I take their word as too his character as being far more credible than a Media Stooge going around the hood digging up dirt doing the enemies work for them.

One thing that does travel at the speed of light is what we called scuttlebutt that can mean a drinking fountain but is usually a term used to described gossip or rumors which travel at the speed of light. Rumors in units and on bases get around fast. Today a service member in Afghanistan can instantly call home, e-mail, or text home or media, almost any time as can a person on a ship at sea. This was not possible in wars before the second Iraq war. The media hears rumors and reports them as fact saying according too an unnamed source close to the White House, Pentagon, unit, or whatever related venue in question.

86 posted on 03/25/2012 10:59:35 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
There is a huge difference between being a hero for your service in the military and being someone's hero because he killed people for no military purpose.

If he 'broke' (and that would be a good guess), then he indeed should get the help he needs. If there were other issues, then they need to be addressed honestly.

We have no disagreement on the media, and I understand your points about the necessity of waging war in a different manner. To that point, I would only posit the viewpoint that in wars such as WWII we had declared war on an entire country and were fighting against a legitimate military, creating a different scenario for the troops fighting it than we have in this war and the war in Iraq.

The war against Islamofascism is, IMO, a notably different situation, warranting its different treatment. I agree with General Petraeus in making that distinction, but understand that some with military backgrounds, such as yourself, do not agree.

87 posted on 03/25/2012 12:38:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: bigheadfred
Yes. Pointless, indeed.

(Rational discussion requires two rational people, and you proved very quickly that you didn't qualify. :)

88 posted on 03/25/2012 12:43:18 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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You can still make contributions to my nephew, Sgt. Evan Vela, through the United American Patriots.


89 posted on 03/25/2012 1:10:35 PM PDT by bigheadfred (insane military hating leftist /s)
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