Posted on 03/13/2012 9:03:29 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
Newt Gingrich says, "Between us, Santorum and I are stopping Romney."
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It is not bull. Romney does not have the Conservative vote. Rick and Newt have it.
That and Santorum said yesterday on Glenn Beck that he has no problem with Newt staying in. He likes that the left has a split target. Today a word about Rick, tomorrow they target Newt, next (rarely) they target Mitt. Hellsbells, they are even going after Palin.
At the VERY beginning, I remember Newt saying that he was talking to Santorum. I wonder if they have a plan.
And don't forget, that when Newt is in his advertising is far more directed at Romney than Santorum.
I hope that everyone who is pissing and moaning about Rick remembers Dick Cheney.
Let’s do this....Imagine.
Rick and Newt stay in.
Rick gets tons of delegates, Newt gets some. Together they have enough to beat Mitt.
Rick says, “Newt VP”
Now, everything that Rick is weak in, like Cheney, Newt handles.
I would like it better if the roles were reversed, but at this point, I don’t see a Newt win. Newt is a pretty smart cookie. Rick is no piker. As a team, they rock.
Conservatives all over the country are settling on their chosen standard bearer. Rick Santorum. Newt’s colossal ego won’t allow him to face facts and get out of the way.
Her song is really, really getting old, isn't it? Wouldn't be so bad if it had more than just one note over and over and over...
Newt is now moot. Yesterday's races were in his own backyard, where his FR supporters were pracrtically guaranteeing victories, and Santorum beat him and Romney with a little room to spare. Sooner or later Newt will see the writing on the wall. I just hope it's sooner.
You’re correct Gingrich is the Ross Perot.Pay no attention to the bully freeper ping list that are diehard Gingrich supporters.They are the minority in the real world outside of the sick cult
this website has become.This bully cult ping list that everyone is sick of said that Santorum was in the tank for Romney and called good candidates like Bachmann RINO’s.And now that it is so clear Gingrich should have dropped out a long time ago and get behind the one chance we had....they are hellbent on electing Romney so they can whine and moan some more? What happened to country first?
Why are you assuming that Newt’s supporters would default to Santorum if Gingrich wasn’t in the race?
A lot of us don’t really like either Romney or Santorum, because they’re both big government establishment schlubs.
If Gingrich is successful in preventing Florida from giving all their delegates to Romney then maybe it’s worth it that he’s staying in.
Newt’s math could be right in proportional states. It won’t be true in winner-take-all states.
Those 2 splitting the vote in WTA states = a higher likelihood of a Romney win.
I am glad to see he understands “stop Romney”, though.
Santorum is another compassionate conservative.
If there were only one opponent, then Romney could overwhelm them with his money advantage and his willingness to be totally dishonest and scorch the earth.
However, that does not mean that the eve before an election that the lesser polling between Santorum and Gingrich should not encourage his supporters in some way to vote for his the other.
This is the pathway to a brokered convention with the lion’s share of delegates belonging to conservative candidates.
I think Santorum’s logic about not having a clear nominee prior to the convention is valid. Obama cannot unleash on a single opponent until that opponent is chosen, and with a late convention that means he, the media, and hollywood only have 2 months to vilify our candidate.
A brokered convention versus Obama’s billion in campaign funds is a smart strategy in my opinion.
Mitt Romney shouldn’t be on the ticket anyplace.
That’s ridiculous. I seriously doubt that most of Gingrich’s voters would consider either Romney or Santorum, since the two of them have very similar ideas except for Santorum’s currently more conservative social positions. Gingrich has entirely different ideas about government and the US future, and both Romney and Santorum are continuations of the same old, same old (what another poster described as center left).
And if Santorum dropped out, Romney would be the beneficiary, since it is cearly apparent that the GOP Establishment position (a sort of Euro-socialist nanny state) is the one that most voters want, unfortunately.
I’m hoping that Gingrich may be able to change their minds, but frankly, I think big, intrusive government has become the default position of most Americans, GOP or Dem.
Our votes are our own.
They are not owed to rick or mitt by default Newt was not there.
Maybe Santorum isn’t convincing enough for us. I know he isn’t for me.
Well newt and santoprum are splitting the conservative vote - there is no doubt. However romney would be winning now even if you add gingrich and santorum delegates together as romney is already to 495. If gingrich and santorum were to unite there may be a small chance of prevailing. As it is now there is way either gingrich or santorum can catch romney.
You say Santorum is a liar? Seriously? Name one current day politician that isn’t a liar. Were you in the same ping clique months ago that called Gingrich a RINO?Actions mean more than words and Gingrich should have gotten behind Santorum months ago.Gingrich’s ego is showing.There is no way feasible for Gingrich in third to stop Romney.The Axelrod Obama machine loves the schism that people of your cult mindset have created.
And Gingrich is a supposedly a reformed RINO that called Ryan’s Bill right winged so that makes Gingrich more liberal than a conservative that was in dem country
PA.
Fox News spent 3 hours last night going over and over and over and over how Newt is ruining it all for everyone. Personally, I hope Newt wins the whole thing.
I honestly want to contested convention. Personally all 3 are not that great. I would love to have a do over and a contested convention gives us that chance.
Newt would never accept Mittens VP slot. Now, Rick, has said he would gladly accept Mittens VP slot if he (Rick) doesn't win the top slot.
Many Gingrich supporters will not move over to Santorum, they are anti-Big Goverment, and see Rick, Mitt, and Barry as nearly equal.
But, many Santorum supporters will support Romney, as they are mostly just socially conservative, anti-Obama (LSM spin "racist right wing bible thumping radicals"), and not worried so much about Big Government.
They only believe what he says. I’ve told you Santorum is a liar.
Regardless of what you think, the majority of conservatives don’t believe YOU. So your choice is Romney or Santorum. That is it. I will see if Newt can make it to the convention, but I don’t see how when his money is going to dry up quick. If he lasts another month I will be surprised. Perhaps he can suspend his campaign and try at the convention to get the nomination.
Gingrich is absolutely right through 4/4
I agree, if Gingrich drops out, the result would be more delegates for Romney splitting a two man race rather than three men splitting the remaining delegates.
Combined AL/MS results:
Not Romneys 70.5%
Romney 29.5%
Mitt must quit now. Even the GOP-E must concede this fact after outspending the Not Romneys 10-1.
You betcha!
It is already too late for any alternative to reach the magic number and beat Romney outright. Santorum did that by staying in through FL and collecting non-binding caucus "wins" to create the appearance of viability. Those obsessed with Newt's "baggage" found a shiny toy in the shape of the "sainted" ex-senator who loves to "take one for the (establishment) team".
The only strategy left to the non-Romney is to prevent him from winning. We know even Santorum's campaign admits this internally. If anyone gets out it'll only accelerate Romney's march clinching because a sizeable portion of Newt or Santorum supporters would flock to Romney rather than the alternative.
All those weeks and months Newt was leading Rick in the delegate count, the Santorum squads boosted the false narrative that Newt was giving the nomination to Romney.
I kind of like Perry or Palin for Energy Secretary .
I have snake oil for sale if you dab a little on no harm will ever come of you.
Too many facts for mindnumbed cultists to comprehend.Sarah is already the POTUS sun tzu said so.
Having spent over 1/4 billion and having the entire LSM fawning over Mittens candidacy, even the GOP-E must realize before the convention that Mittens isn't wanted by nearly 2/3 of the people that voted in the primaries.
At that time Newt, Ron Paul's, and Rick's delegates must stay united to deny Romney and than prevent another unacceptable GOP-E nominee from being put forward at the convention.
The Obama camp will be frustrated not knowing who to personally attack with their billion dollars until the last several weeks before the general election.
Sure, Newt’s splitting the anti-Romney vote. He’s also splitting the pro-Romney attack ad money!
Thanks for the link. From it I read:
“In the last two years of his Senate career, he had an average Club for Growth rating of 77%, compared to an average of 73% for all Senate Republicans over that same time period. In the previous thirteen years before the Club had a scorecard, Santorum accumulated an average score of 76% on the National Taxpayers Union scorecard. This compares to a 71% average among all Republicans.”
So not perfect, but better than most. Works for me.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe Perot ran in the primaries, he just came out of nowhere and declared, so it's really not the same thing.
But there is a Perot like candidate, that is going to take votes away from whomever the Republican nominee is, in the works that will be on all 50 states ballots, plus the territories. That could hand the presidency back to the current occupant.
Newt is playing the game the way the rules our written in order for the best chance to win. First of all, more early contests have changed their delegate distribution to proportional rather than winner-take-all. This gives more states and more people a chance to get their vote counted. secondly, It’s still very unclear whether Romney really can get a majority of the party. At the end, I’m sure Romney will not have 50% of all the votes casted even if he eeks out the 1,144 delegates needed. Thirdly, look at the way Romney has been getting his delegates. He has bought many of them because he can run 100 ads in Hawaii and other islands and the others don’t have the Supe Pac money to do it. So Romney can compete in every state and not even physically go there. That sounds really fair doesn’t it? That sounds like the way we really want to choose our nominee and future President, doesn’t it? Finally, there is something called a brokered convention. It existed long before this year and in the 1800s and early 1900s this is how most nominees were decided. So let the process play itself out. The brokered convention is there for a reason. It’s there when a majority of the people cannot get behind one candidate. It will all work itself out and at least when the nominee is decided, it won’t be because someone could buy radio ads in the American Samoa and the other couldn’t.
Perot was an Independent. It’s not the same as Gingrich. Newt is relying on the brokered convention. If Newt or more likely Ron Paul runs as an independent after dropping out of the race, then you’ll have another Perot. Incidentally, I voted for Perot since he was the only one talking about the debt. Well here we are and still no one is listening. Anyway, just make Newt the next President. I really don’t know why this is a hard decision. He will destroy Obama in the debates and will rise in the polls head-to-head with Obama as the public realizes what a fraud and joke Obama is as he is truly exposed by Gingrich.
After the primaries are over and Romney falls short of 1,144, most of the delegates are released to go to whomever they wish. In July, Newt announces he would like Paul Ryan to be his running mate. He also promises Santorum and Perry jobs in the cabinet. I’d love to see it. We’ll have a balanced budget authored by Ryan and Gingrich. We’ll have a bold new energy policy. We’ll also start sending most of the power back to the states. This works for me.
I’m not a Newt supporter although I like and agree with a lot he says; however, he clearly deserves a place at the table as long as he wants. The guy essentially was in a three-way tie last night, and the idea that he’s splitting votes from someone else is absurd. Newt’s votes by definition are his votes, and he’s not taken them from anybody.
I’ll take Newt. Hell, I’ll take anyone else than a repeat.
Tagline as the main team. Either order, though I’d prefer it the order as written.
Perry as Sec. Energy. Who better?
West as Sec. Defense. No brainer for me.
Palin as Sec. of State. Partially to give her credibility for a future run, partially because I get the giggles at the thought of Amahdinijad(sp?) dealing with an attractive woman as an equal, and one he KNOWS can drop him from a mile away.
Even got a place for Ron Paul - the Fed. Despite his insanity on foreign policy, he is rock solid and right on his fiscal stuff.
in other words he flip flopped on both fiscal and conservative issues.
Yup. As a matter of political convenience.
while your at it in posting the Pelosi and Newt photo..how about posting the one of RS and Arlen, RS and Hillary and Lieberman (90 MILLION for a study showing the effects watching tv has on children) and also a picture of Romney and Santorum (Santorum endorsed him in the last election).
About 850 delegates remain from states with winner-take-all rules by state or by district. About 500-600 of those are at risk of being lost to Romney by Newt and Rick splitting the vote. Odds are that a significant portion of those WILL be lost to Romney, making it almost impossible for him not to hit 1,144 or be close enough to it for Ron Paul and the 100 or so unbound party delegates to put him over-the-top.
Illinois is the case in point. It has direct delegate election by district, which means whichever candidate gets the highest votes in that district, gets ALL its delegates. Romney is winning it 35-31-12-7. Just like in Ohio and Michigan, Newt will take enough votes away to give Rick second place. Except with this form of voting, Rick will get NO DELEGATES if every district follows this pattern.
Meanwhile if Newt dropped out, Newt’s share of the 400 or so delegates remaining from proportional states would most likely simply shift over to Rick.
Either Newt or Rick dropping out will make it likely we can deny Romney the nomination. If they both stay in, it makes it likely Romney will be the nominee. Those are the facts.
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