Posted on 03/07/2012 6:39:49 AM PST by Strategy
The US might sell Israel special arms and munitions that would enable an Israeli strike on Iran, an unnamed military source told Army Radio Tuesday night.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...
I would be surprised but that would be good
Other news reports indicate that Israel has already received
the 30K MOPs; that O told Netanyahu the MOPs may not destroy the underground facilities; the alternative is to seal the shafts and entries into the facilities and slowly kill off the occupants.
BTW O inherited the improved MOPs from Bush.
“may”?
I thought we already did?
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/24/140773755/u-s-sells-bunker-busters-to-israel
My understanding is Iran uses a special type concrete. Harder than the norm. Built to withstand earthquakes. Natural and “man-made...”
My understanding is Iran uses a special type concrete. Harder than the norm. Built to withstand earthquakes. Natural and “man-made...”
Did they use it on the housing complex of the troops protecting the complex ?
I wonder how many of those bombs will actually go off when dropped?
The Emperor of the USSA wouldn’t sell his friend Bibi a bunch of DUDs, would he?
Obama might be capable of taqiyya, but hudna? Naaaaah....
Israel can TRUST Obama; he’s not LIKE the OTHERS! /s
It will probably take an act of G*D to dislodge the Madhi worshipers... this might be interesting to watch.
Maybe they used more rebar.
Coded ... and I agree.
Point is, over reliance on aerial assets can be costly in terms of accomplishing the mission. Otherwise the capture of the Mountain of the Crouching Beast would have been a cake-walk. The Tunnels of Cu Chi would no longer be a tourist destination. And they were but earthen works...UHPC seems to have caught the interest of the Pentagon. Sure the IDF has not overlooked it either....
Nothing secret about Fibercrete:
http://www.superior-industries.com/tech_data_page_297.html
All you need is a good source of silica sand, like a desert...
Fiberglass also makes concrete flexible so it gives instead of cracking. The trick is to layer it with blacktop layers and it becomes a laminate like a compound bow.
Dog-gone-it, Iran’s been spying on Home Depot.
The MOP is huge, so huge only the B-52 and the B-2 can carry it.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/mopping-up-the-usas-30000-pound-bomb-03172/
I suspect news reports like this one are to provide a smoke-screen/cover for US actions in support an attack on Iran. You see, in my guess and the way I would do it, the US would fly the B-2 (low profile) as part of an Israeli attack. The US B-2 drops the MOP that destroys the deeply buried bunkers/facilities while at the same time the Israelis attack the entrances of the buried Iranian nuclear facilities to entomb the rest.
Not complaining about your post in any way, but this is an example of how bad journalism has become.
They are simply reporting rumors of what might happen.
It’s like “Sun may come up in East tomorrow!”
Big talk in the run-up to the election in Nov. After the election, Obama will renege.
We had not. . .news report to the contrary.
The MOP is too big for ANY Israeli jet. It simply can’t fit on their jets.
And, an FMS sale/transfer has a hard requirement for Congressional approval and that would never happen.
And, times two, any FMS sale/transfer like this would require thousands of people keeping silent about the weapon being transferred to a country that can’t even fit the darned thing on their own aircraft. It would be useless.
And, times three, right now we don’t have that many in our own inventory as it is still under development.
Another Post of mine (above) above has other comments.
Here is the tactical problem:
Iran is well aware of Israel’s (rightful) intentions and America’s weapons, and have up-armored every critical process in their nuclear weapons program.
Tunneling is something that Iran has always done better than any country in the world, throughout history, it’s an engineering fact.
Israel’s goal is to attack, not to necessarily succeed. A show of strength at a minimum.
America has a different challenge, we cannot participate in an attack that doesn’t win. If our bunker-busters don’t work, we lose the credibility of that weapon system.
The world will then know that anyone, N Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Myanmar, Pakistan, etc can hide evil underground.
Our military planners doubt the bunker-busters will work.
De-mystifying ground penetration bombs ends their diplomatic and strategic use.
OK, everyone will know how deep to dig.
And...Iran will learn from any failed attack that it cannot be stopped by Israel or America. They will bray like a pack of mules at the world...and be believed.
I believe that Iran wants to be attacked.
-——Fiberglass also makes concrete flexible so it gives instead of cracking. The trick is to layer it with blacktop layers and it becomes a laminate like a compound bow.———
Makes sense.
Is it even remotely possible that Israel puts troops on the ground? It seems like a ground force will be necessary. They could have smuggled in soldiers and armaments over the past decade....
OK, everyone’s entitled to some wild speculation.
Reports are, they were sold GBU-28’s (not MOP)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/gbu-28.htm
As long as people can get into the bunkers, so can the Israelis.
Fordu is completely self-contained, tight as a sub under 500-2,500 feet of rock.
They have over 100 kilos of 20%, enough for one bomb right now if they want to go to 90%+.
Once you get to 20% you only need 3 cascades and about 20 people in about three months to get to 90%.
They’ve thought of infiltrators.
Follow with shaped rdx shelled U235 with PU core and infiltrate what's left with neutrons.
Plausible deniability of radioactive half life footprint due to the nature of the target.
Nothing living will survive. No one would ever know.
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I thought Israel already had them.
The MOAB is for soft targets on the surface.
Drop two conventional MOP’s and follow up with a third with a tactical nuke in it.
Old saying,"Never wound a King." If in fact Israel/USA hit Iran? Then we better f'ing hit them! HARD!!!
October Surprise coming
Have to get the Won re-elected somehow, he can’t run on his record.
I saw that on Facebook yesterday. I had no idea we had that many F-16s at one Korean base that could all be running, ready for war, at the same time.
Awesome
There’s WAY TOO MUCH national security information going public these days. Keep the bad guys guessing!
I’m sure they’ve thought of infiltrators.
Why not a hardened whatever pointed tube with an x megaton crowdpleaser in it delivered from orbital speed with rocket boost? If nothing else, it would make a nice light show on its way to the target with a pretty good thump when it hits.
Drats.. That’s “UNINHABITABLE”!
The article says “”M A Y “” not WILL....nothing to go back on his word on.
The MOP is an enormous weapon that only the B-2 and the B-52 can carry after special modifications. Israel does not have a single aircraft that can carry the MOP. Not even our own B-1 bombers can carry the MOP since its three bays are segmented and don’t have enough space to hold the long and heavy MOP.
I think that C-130s can drop MOPs as well. They were the initial delivery platform for MOAB and the primary one for the old BLU daisy cutters. Deployment method I’d to roll them out the back with the Herk in a slight climb, then allow gravity and GPS do the rest.
The sanity of relying on a C-130 as the delivery platform in a high threat environment is another matter entirely.
Yeah a C-130 delivery could probably be done, but it would be a suicide mission with about a 5% chance of even making it to the target, let alone getting home.
I would worry about speed also though as the speed of the MOP on delivery is a big part of the equation to penetrate as deeply as possible. They really need to stick a rocket on the back and make it even stronger. I have heard rumors that such modifications are being considered.
Why not just put wings on it and fly it in as a drone? Kamikaze mission without a pilot! We just have to be sure they can’t hijack it.
There is no chance at all that Obama will betray his brothers in Iran. And, not only with Israel, he would just as soon betray those dirty Infidel Jew worshipers in the Great Satan to protect his kind. He has already given them our latest drone technology on a silver platter.
Obama loves Iran. That is all there is to it. I really do believe his is a Shite. I mean I always knew he was Muslim, but what kind of Muslim is becoming clear.
“Tunneling is something that Iran has always done better than any country in the world, throughout history, it’s an engineering fact.”
Very interesting. Have a source or two for that?
TIA!
I’ve always wondered if 0bama’s security was the ‘Nation of Islam’ with Secret Service suits on.
Excellent read and the argument is hardly nailed-shut. In fact, airpower can be effective as the ONLY force used. . .heck, we saw that back when Israel attacked Iraq's nuclear facilities. . . knocked them off that track.
And Gulf War I we had a strategic air campaign that cut-off and destroyed a huge standing army. . .so much destroyed it that the ground campaign was essentially there to physically push them out of Kuwait. They couldn't move because if they did, they died.
The ground campaign was in support of the air campaign.
First time in history, I believe.
Actually, not really, the C-130 can’t deliver the munition.
MOAB is a completely different system and not designed to penetrate.
MOP is a guided penetrator and requires specific launch cues.
Good thought, though.
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