Skip to comments.Romney and the White Horse Prophecy
Posted on 02/26/2012 6:31:36 PM PST by JSDude1
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The Amish do, but I believe (though I am not Amish so I don’t really know most of their sects theology), but I believe is the Same Jesus as in the Bible, and therefore the actual savior.
Well you can count me out as being anything but someone who will “tell the truth in love” that they must be saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus, and only Jesus as in the Bible! At least I pray that God keeps my attitude as such. We do not hate Mormons, we only dislike their slave like religion!~ -J.J.S.
Does Romney actually own a White Horse? His wife owns a Cadillac or two....maybe one of them is white. Does that count?
Yes as in anti-Christianity...
and as a temple worthy member of the Mormon religion, bishop and high priest Romney is indeed that...
And it's even scarier the things that they know about everybody's ancestry. You can bet the farm that they know exactly when/where/how and to whom Buckwheat was whelped.
It’s not too late for Romney to throw Mormonism under the bus and declare that in his heart, he’s always been a Baptist. Would anyone really be surprised?
Good point. A white Mustang would seal it, or perhaps a white Bronco.
OMG, OJ is The One!!!
Do we really want a Prez who wears magick underoos?
Wow you are a Democrat according to your home page?
A non-Christian defending the anti-Christian cult, Mormonism from Christians, while attacking Christians as “fools, bigots and idiots”? An ex-Mormon yourself who became a Buddhist rejecting Christianity for a second time?
Since when does posting articles from the leftist Salon constitute truth?
The “White Horse Prophecy” has been debunked and denounced by the LDS Church.
However, one of the main themes that it borrows from is accurate, that of the Constitution being threatened and the church and others helping to bolster it up and lift it up to the world as a standard of freedom.
I personally see Glenn Beck doing that much more than I would ever see Romney in that position.
For a more accurate reading of what the LDS believe about this, here is a good place to start.
“I do not agree with Romney, but suggesting that he is the antichrist is pure bullcrap.”
The Salon has done some good reporting on Mitt Romney.
The White Horse Prophecy has been debunked and denounced by the LDS Church.
There goes that Joey Smith was a true prophet thingy..
What Have Church Leaders Said About The White Horse Prophecy?
In General Conference, October 1918, Joseph F. Smith made the following comments:
The ridiculous story about the red horse, and the black horse, and the white horse, and a lot of trash that has been circulated about and printed and sent around as a great revelation given by the Prophet Joseph Smith, is a matter that was gotten up, I understand, some ten years after the death of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by two of our brethren who put together some broken sentences from the Prophet that they may have heard from time to time, and formulated this so-called revelation out of it, and it was never spoken by the prophet in the manner in which they have put it forth. It is simply false; that is all there is to it.
Elder Bruce R McConkie also commented on the prophecy in his book Mormon Doctrine:
From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.
In 2010 the Church released a statement on the White Horse Prophecy and Political Neutrality:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is politically neutral and does not endorse or promote any candidate, party or platform. Accordingly, we hope that the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church.
The so-called White Horse Prophecy is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine.”
Because the White Horse Prophecy has been dismissed by some Church leaders, there has been confusion from members of the Church with regard to other similar statements about the nation crumbling, the Constitution being on the brink of ruin and the Elders of Israel stepping up to save it. While the white horse prophecy may not be legitimate, there are several separate similar statements attributed to Joseph Smith.
The following is accepted as the most accurate, and verified, statement, and has been quoted by several modern prophets:
Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.
(Source: Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department. Joseph Smith on July 19, 1840.)
There are many similar statements attributed to Joseph Smith by Brigham Young, Orson Hyde, Eliza Snow and modern prophets such as Harold B. Lee and Ezra Taft Benson (I have found at least 41 statements along these lines). I believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Joseph Smith truly said the nation and Constitution would be on the brink of ruin/destruction and that this people (LDS) will be involved in saving it. All we really have to do is look around us and see the fulfillment of many of those prophecies even including some of the statements found in the alleged white horse prophecy. What we have yet to witness is the Elders of Israel stepping up to save the Constitution. Lets hope that happens sooner rather than later, if at all. In the meantime those who are liberty-minded have a lot of educating to do as we assist the Elders of Israel in waking up to their awful situation (Ether 8) and from ignorance and complacency.
Regardless of what the future holds, there are plenty of scriptures and teachings of modern prophets that tell us we do have a responsibility to stand up for Agency, Freedom, Liberty and the Constitution.
What The Prophets Have Said About The Constitution Hanging By A Thread
Ezra Taft Benson:
Will we be prepared? Will we be among those who will bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction? If we desire to be numbered among those who will, here are some things we must do:
1. We must be righteous and moral 2. We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts 3. We must become involved in civic affairs 4. We must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, and our advice
I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. But it will not be saved in Washington. It will be saved by the citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church men and women who will subscribe to and abide the principles of the Constitution. ( Source: CHB 28-31 )
For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?
There is no excuse that can compensate for the loss of liberty.
Satan is anxious to neutralize the inspired counsel of the Prophet and hence keep the priesthood off balance, ineffective and inert in the fight for freedom. He does this through diverse means, including the use of perverse reasoning. . . .
The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not. . . .
Now part of the reason why we do not have sufficient Priesthood bearers to save the Constitution, let alone to shake the powers of hell, is, I fear, because unlike Moroni, our souls do not joy in keeping our country free and we are not firm in the faith of Christ, nor have we sworn with an oath to defend our rights.
( Source: Our Immediate Responsibility 10-11; also in An Enemy Hath Done This 313-15 )
Harold B. Lee:
It was Joseph Smith who has been quoted as having said that the time would come when then Constitution would hang as by a thread, and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction.
Why the elders of this Church? Would it be sacrilegious to paraphrase the words of the Apostle Peter, and say that the Constitution of the United States could be saved by the elders of this Church because this Church and this Church alone has the words of eternal life? We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation. The preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness can be guaranteed upon no other basis than upon a sincere faith and testimony of the divinity of these teachings.
( Source: Faith An Effective Weapon Against Wickedness in Men and Nations 912-13 )
Joseph Fielding Smith:
The statement has been made that the Prophet [Joseph Smith] said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they dont save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.
( Source: Founded in the Wisdom of God 416 )
Joseph F. Smith:
Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty. We cannot brook the thought of it being torn into shreds, or destroyed, or trampled under foot and ignored by men. We cannot tolerate the sentiment, at one time expressed, by a man, high in authority in the nation. He said: The Constitution be damned; the popular sentiment of the people is the Constitution! That is the sentiment of anarchism that has spread to a certain extent, and is spreading over the land of liberty and home of the brave. We do not tolerate it. Latter-day Saints cannot tolerate such a spirit as this. It is anarchy. It means destruction. It is the spirit of mobocracy, and the Lord knows we have suffered enough from mobocracy, and we do not want any more of it. Our people from Mexico are suffering from the effects of that same spirit. We do not want any more of it, and we cannot afford to yield to that spirit or contribute to it in the least degree. We should stand with a front like flint against every spirit or species of contempt or disrespect for the Constitution of our country and the constitutional laws of our land.
( Source: The Mexican Trouble Loyalty to the Constitution 101-02 )
They will sustain the constitution and laws and institutions of the United States, and be the champions of liberty and of that constitution when its integrity shall be threatened.
( Source: Journal History of the Church, 15 Sep 1898, 3 )
The Prophet Joseph Smith had said the time would come when the principles of the Constitution would be forsaken and that instrument would be rent asunder, and this people would then step forward and rescue it from entire destruction.
( Source: Journal History of the Church, 6 Apr 1882, 3 )
It may not be among the improbabilities, that the prophecies of Joseph Smith may be fulfilled and that the calumniated and despised Mormons may yet become the protectors of the Constitution and the guardians of religious liberty and human freedom in these United States.
( Source: Journal of Discourses 23:266 )
Need we be surprised that they should trample under foot the Constitution of the United States? No; Joseph Smith told us that they would do it. Many around me here knew long ago that they would do this thing and further knew that the last people that should be found to rally around the sacred instrument and save it from the grasp of unrighteous men would be the Elders of Israel! When, therefore, we see these things progressing need we be astonished? I do not think we need be.
( Source: Journal of Discourses 20:318 )
Every organization of our government, the best government in the world, is crumbling to pieces. Those who have it in their hands are the ones who are destroying it. How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass.
( Source: Journal of Discourses 12:204 )
Others Quoting What They Heard Joseph Smith Say
Eliza R. Snow:
I heard the prophet Joseph Smith say that the time would come when this nation would so far depart from its original purity, its glory, and its love for freedom and its protection of civil rights and religious rights, that the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread. He said, also, that this people, the sons of Zion, would rise up and save the Constitution and bear it off triumphantly.
( Source: Eliza R. Snow 556 )
I believe he [Joseph Smith] said something like this that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he, If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.
( Source: Journal of Discourses 6:152 quoted by Orson Hyde )
Jedediah M. Grant:
We are friendly to our country, and when we speak of the flag of our Union, we love it, and we love the rights the Constitution guarantees to every citizen. What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.
( Source: Tyler 350 quoted by Jedediah M. Grant )
Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hand [sic] by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter-day Saints will step forth and save it.
( Source: The Words of Joseph Smith 279 )
That's the number of Utah mormons that voted for Romney in the '08 primary.
That’s why Hatch gives me the heebegeebies. He plays up the Mormon angle in his campaigning. I think he’s going to lose.
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