Posted on 02/24/2012 5:28:03 AM PST by Kaslin
Nonsense. If my position were adhered to, not a single innocent person would be intentionally killed anywhere in America under the color of "law."
Conversely, your position, which is that we can ignore the most important explicit, imperative provisions of the U.S. Constitution, assures that the God-given, unalienable rights of every person, and the premise of American liberty, are expendable. The killing will go on right up until God's judgment falls on us all.
-- Thomas Jefferson"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."
-- Frederick Douglass, "The Nation's Problem," 1890 "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few. The hand entrusted with power becomes…the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity." -- Wendell PHILLIPS, 1852 "Forewarned, forearmed, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance."
The rights of the people, all the people, are God-given, not man-given. Therefore, they are not legitimately subject to democratic decision-making. That's what it means to be a republic - a nation of laws, not of men.
You didn't know this?
Sad.
Natural law and natural rights and natural right were the premise of the American Revolution.
"It (the Declaration of Independence) stands, and must forever stand alone, a beacon on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the earth may turn their eyes for a genial and saving light till time shall be lost in eternity, and this globe itself dissolve, nor leave a wreck behind. It stands forever, a light of admonition to the rulers of men, a light of salvation and redemption to the oppressed ... (as the delineation of) the boundries of their respective rights and duties, founded in the laws of nature, and of nature's God."-- John Quincy Adams
"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."-- John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 1763
"Oaths in this country are as yet universally considered as sacred obligations."-- John Adams
"[W]here is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths...?"-- George Washington, Farewell Address
There are actually two ways of looking at that:
1. WE the people have NEVER been given the opportunity to vote on a law outlawing abortion.
2. Once we agree that an unborn baby is a person, the baby is entitled to full protection under the 5th and 14th amendments. This protection makes any law allowing abortion unconstitutional and it doesn't matter what the people will vote for.
We are fools to engage Eternal Vigilance. I’ve done so before.
Eternal Vigilance better known as Tom Hoefling nominee for President under the America’s Party banner or some such entitey. Let him prove his ability to get elected and then maybe he can change a few things. Until then .... well just let him rant as it takes away from his vote gathering time.
"On the 2d of July, 1776, the old Continental Congress, to the dismay of the lovers of ease, and the worshipers of property, clothed that dreadful idea with all the authority of national sanction. They did so in the form of a resolution; and as we seldom hit upon resolutions, drawn up in our day, whose transparency is at all equal to this, it may refresh your minds and help my story if I read it.“Resolved, That these united colonies are, and of right, ought to be free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown; and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, dissolved.”
Citizens, your fathers made good that resolution. They succeeded; and to-day you reap the fruits of their success. The freedom gained is yours; and you, therefore, may properly celebrate this anniversary. The 4th of July is the first great fact in your nation’s history — the very ring-bolt in the chain of your yet undeveloped destiny.
Pride and patriotism, not less than gratitude, prompt you to celebrate and to hold it in perpetual remembrance. I have said that the Declaration of Independence is the ring-bolt to the chain of your nation’s destiny; so, indeed, I regard it. The principles contained in that instrument are saving principles. Stand by those principles, be true to them on all occasions, in all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost.
From the round top of your ship of state, dark and threatening clouds may be seen. Heavy billows, like mountains in the distance, disclose to the leeward huge forms of flinty rocks! That bolt drawn, that chain broken, and all is lost. Cling to this day — cling to it, and to its principles, with the grasp of a storm-tossed mariner to a spar at midnight."
-- Frederick Douglass, "What to the slave is the Fourth of July?" speech, July 5, 1852
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."
Let it be noted that you brought that up, not me. The principles under discussion are far more important than any campaign, or any personality.
Time spent re-illuminating the ringbolt principles of this free republic is never wasted.
Barack Obama is the only candidate in this race who has "proven his ability to get elected" president.
I seriously doubt you're going to be voting for him.
You didn’t even read or try to understand my reason for refuting Eternal Vigilance who, as God is my witness, I will NEVER post to again. My God.
By refusing what he calls ‘half measures’ he dooms countless babies who could be saved to death.
I’m through with this argument, so don’t even bother responding.
We were talking about the fetal pain legislation. I don’t know what percentage of abortions we think would end up not being done if the abortionist had to worry about fetal pain. I chose a low number for that reason.
But you didn’t refute anything. You simply repeated your baseless assertion that by sacrificing the moral, constitutional and legal arguments against abortion that you’re somehow going to save some.
In spite of the fact that the Constitution of the United States requires equal protection for all.
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Ike looked meek, too. But it was he who won the European Campaign in WW2.
I only need two...
He is not Barrack Obama, and he is not Mitt Romney...
Agreed.
I'm afraid you are right. American women WANT the right to coninue to kill their imperfect/inconvenient babies. God help them.
Santorum would be a good model though and would make those baby killers feel guilty and angry (because they KNOW abortion is evil) JUST by being a practicing Catholic and they would ALL know how he felt...and lived.
The Left KNOWS that they would have a field day with Santorum just because he is a practicing Catholic.
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