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Arpaio: I briefed Santorum on birth certificate investigation
CNN ^ | 02/21/12 | Jim Acosta

Posted on 02/21/2012 6:38:28 PM PST by writer33

Phoenix (CNN) – Joe Arpaio, the sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, briefed GOP contender Rick Santorum on his investigation into President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the controversial law enforcement official told reporters Tuesday.

After a speech to a Republican gathering in Phoenix where Santorum appeared earlier in the day, Arpaio explained he wanted to inform the candidate of his investigation "as a matter of fairness in case he wouldn't want me to support him."

Arpaio said he plans to endorse one of the four remaining GOP candidates in the coming weeks. But the sheriff added he would not make his choice known before he announces the findings of his birth certificate probe at a news conference set for March 1st. This endorsement would be his second in the race; in November 2011, he endorsed then-candidate Rick Perry.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; santorum; santorumbriefed
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To: Kansas58
Very few Conservatives think that the Citizenship of Obama’s father is important at all, as long as Obama was born in the United States.

All that indicates is that a large number of people are ignorant of the underlying issues involved. That's pretty much true on any subject.
51 posted on 02/22/2012 7:46:26 AM PST by aruanan
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To: PA-RIVER
I can tell you that WND and the Posse are/were working together.
From: Jerome Corsi

To: Gwg1955@comcast.net

Cc: Michael Zullo

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:54 PM

Subject: Re: Evidence

Greg,

Can you explain to us what information you have developed xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? Mike Zullo heads Sheriff Arpaio's law enforcement investigation into Obama's eligibility.

Thanks

Jerry Corsi

I don't wish to reveal the purpose of the email, mainly because it wasn't going anywhere.
52 posted on 02/22/2012 8:16:49 AM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


53 posted on 02/22/2012 8:35:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: aruanan

Very, very few conservative legal experts agree with the “two citizen parent” idea.


54 posted on 02/22/2012 8:40:58 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58; aruanan; DiogenesLamp; philman_36
Very, very few conservative legal experts agree with the “two citizen parent” idea.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2848574/posts?page=429#429

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2848574/posts?page=441#441

55 posted on 02/22/2012 8:51:10 AM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: GregNH; Kansas58
Very, very few conservative legal experts agree with the “two citizen parent” idea.

An old, tired meme with no merit.

What you're doing, Kansas58, is called psychological reinforcement. It's used in psychological warfare. You present something as factual when it isn't.
@The Battle for Your Mind - Propaganda, PR and PsyOps

"If you think about how you think, you will find your mind is made of memories, facts, and that sort of thing; you picked these up through continual reinforcement... Using a computer metaphor, your mind is hardware (the grey matter, providing you with senses, nerve endings, neurons) and software (combined from that odd core of your being that is doing the reflecting, and the material it is reflecting upon, kind of like a computer program and its data). That isn't the whole story, of course; there is an unidentified extra component, the 'wetware,' that gives you free will, volition, self-awareness. We know next to nothing about how this piece works; it appears to be an odd combination of chaotic and stochastic processes, transcending both. About the only thing we know for certain about the human mind is that we haven't even begun to utilize it to its full potential." Michael Wilson, from: "Memetic Engineering PsyOps and Viruses for the Wetware"

You haven't changed at all, Kansas58. You're still aping intelligence.

56 posted on 02/22/2012 9:05:55 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah; PA-RIVER
WND link?

@Sheriff Joe briefs Santorum on Obama probe

57 posted on 02/22/2012 9:16:04 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

How many elected officials are Conservative Republicans?

How many of those elected officials agree with you?

VERY few!

You are good with insults, you have many.

You are not very good at disproving my points.


58 posted on 02/22/2012 9:18:12 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Very few Conservatives think that the Citizenship of Obama’s father is important at all, as long as Obama was born in the United States.
More evidence of psychological reinforcement.
59 posted on 02/22/2012 9:20:03 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36; All

Santorum has not stated that he supports the “two citizen parent” requirement.

Arpaio has not stated taht he supports the “two citizen parent” requirement.

I am sure the radical birthers will jump all over both Santorum and Arpaio if either/both of them end up supporting the MAJORITY conservative view:

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth and NOTHING ELSE!


“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection… The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”
Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Volumes 1-2 of A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: pg. 163,167 (1795)
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_2s6.html
The following is an enormous list of legal citations, from Obama operatives, but you need to know what you are up against:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/natural-born-quotes/
James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2,
Madison:
It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79655719/James-Madison-on-Contested-Election-Citizenship-And-Birthright-22-May-1789-House-of-Representatives


60 posted on 02/22/2012 9:23:34 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
You are not very good at disproving my points.
You don't make points. You make @diatribes.
61 posted on 02/22/2012 9:25:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Project much?

You are on the losing side of a silly fight, and all you do is insult those who agree with the superior, majority argument.


62 posted on 02/22/2012 9:26:06 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Santorum has not stated that he supports the “two citizen parent” requirement.
So what. He hasn't stated that he doesn't either, has he? If he has, show it.

Arpaio has not stated taht he supports the “two citizen parent” requirement.
So what. He hasn't stated that he doesn't either, has he? If he has, show it.

I am sure the radical birthers will jump all over both Santorum and Arpaio if either/both of them end up supporting the MAJORITY conservative view: Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth and NOTHING ELSE!

The Farce is weak in you, Aperentice.

63 posted on 02/22/2012 9:31:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58; All
Project much?
Nope. I leave that up to you.

@Factitious Disorder by Proxy
Generally speaking, the goal or objective is to assume the “sick role,” and subsequently obtain the benefits that are generally imbued on them as a result.

You are on the losing side of a silly fight, and all you do is insult those who agree with the superior, majority argument.
Thanks for sharing your fallacy.

@Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic - Argumentum Ad Populum

Argumentum ad Populum (popular appeal or appeal to the majority): The fallacy of attempting to win popular assent to a conclusion by arousing the feeling and enthusiasms of the multitude.

If it's such a "silly" fight them why do you bother arguing against it?

64 posted on 02/22/2012 9:43:41 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Why?
Because you have no “right” to the conservative cause.
Because true conservatives can and do oppose you.
Because if nobody argues with you, some who are new to these arguments might be misled by your nonsense.

You have virtually no support.
Your cause does NOT advanced the Conservative message or cause, at all.

I DO want more research on Obama’s past. I want to know if he applied for college financial aide based on “foreign” status. I want to know more about his radical past.

But? I want to know this stuff so that we can share it with the voters.

The idea that Obama can be removed from office, based on Court hearings, is absurd.

65 posted on 02/22/2012 9:50:00 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Ooops...sorry about that. This is the one you're using.

Project much?

@Attribution

Attribution Bias
When people make an attribution, they are guessing about the causes of events or behaviors. These guesses are often wrong. People have systematic biases, which lead them to make incorrect attributions. These biases include the fundamental attribution error, the self-serving bias, and the just world hypothesis.

66 posted on 02/22/2012 9:51:46 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
The pedantic approach is used by the arrogant to cover for a bad argument.

You are pedantic to the core, you want to prove how smart you are -—

This is the point of your entire existence.

Intellectual Narcissism does not become anyone, and it does not make you correct.

67 posted on 02/22/2012 9:58:26 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Because you have no “right” to the conservative cause.
This is a Constitutional cause, not a conservative cause

Because true conservatives can and do oppose you.
Thanks for sharing your assumption.

Because if nobody argues with you, some who are new to these arguments might be misled by your nonsense.
It would seem that you are the one spreading nonsense, not I.

You have virtually no support.
Reinforcement again? It isn't working any more. Folks are catching on to what's going on.

I DO want more research on Obama’s past. I want to know if he applied for college financial aide based on “foreign” status. I want to know more about his radical past.
Then why don't you go do that instead of "wasting" your time on eligibility threads? Your actions belie your words.
Besides, enough is already known to cause him problems. The rest is immaterial IMO.

The idea that Obama can be removed from office, based on Court hearings, is absurd.
Bless your heart, you don't realize that that well is dry? You're getting nothing but an empty bucket.

68 posted on 02/22/2012 10:02:05 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
Attribution bias again? Boring!
69 posted on 02/22/2012 10:06:34 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: writer33

Smart of him to get the eligibility stuff out of the way before endorsing. Potentially embarrassing the next president by dragging him through the birther mess against his will is not a smart move.


70 posted on 02/22/2012 12:28:04 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

Thank you!


71 posted on 02/22/2012 1:19:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Brown Deer

yes, it would be very very nice...;-)


72 posted on 02/22/2012 1:29:31 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Kansas58

The Constitution says a Senator must be a citizen; it says the President must be a natural born citizen, ie a higher standard. In your estimation what elevates one to the status required for President? Why do you suppose they required a higher standard for the Presidency? Do you believe that Hitler’s illegitimate son, born and raised in the US would meet the higher standard? How about Osama Bin Laden’s or Stalin’s?


73 posted on 02/22/2012 3:25:06 PM PST by Josephat (The old claim your evengelizing people who haven't heard the gospel, but go to a Catholic country tr)
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To: Kansas58

The idea that Obama can be removed from office, based on Court hearings, is absurd.

Even if it can be shown that he broke the law and is a fraud? Pretty sad statement on our justice system and probably deserved.


74 posted on 02/22/2012 3:30:02 PM PST by Josephat (The old claim your evengelizing people who haven't heard the gospel, but go to a Catholic country tr)
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To: Josephat

A Senator MIGHT be a Naturalized Citizen.

A President MUST be a Citizen from the moment of birth.

That is the difference.

There are only two forms of Citizenship in the United States:

Natural Born
Naturalized


75 posted on 02/22/2012 3:53:15 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

You didn’t answer the last questions. If Hitler had impregnated a minor US girl and she returned to the US and gave birth and raised the child here, is that child elegible for the Presidency? You don’t really believe that is what the Founders intended, do you?


76 posted on 02/22/2012 4:23:08 PM PST by Josephat (The old claim your evengelizing people who haven't heard the gospel, but go to a Catholic country tr)
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To: Josephat
The Constitution did not intend to pick our Presidents for us.

At some point, the voters, the Electoral College, and Congress must all make a decision.

The Courts should not overturn that decision.

If voters, today, want to vote against Obama due to this stuff, that is FINE with me -—

But no Court will remove Obama from office after the fact.

Congress determined that Obama was eligible.

Unless outright fraud can be shown, on the part of Obama, Obama will not be removed. Besides, it is CONGRESS which must remove a President, through IMPEACHMENT.

No Court has the power to remove a sitting President.

77 posted on 02/22/2012 4:32:49 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: little jeremiah

My pleasure.


78 posted on 02/22/2012 5:18:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
A President MUST be a Citizen from the moment of birth.
Are all of those "citizens" natural born citizens from the moment of their birth?
79 posted on 02/22/2012 5:33:14 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
But no Court will remove Obama from office after the fact.

Can a court, or other appropriate State authority, order an ineligible candidate off of a ballot or that they not be placed on a ballot before an election?

80 posted on 02/22/2012 5:38:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Josephat

If Hitler was out of the picture and not involved in raising the child, what harm would result? Hitler was evil - does that automatically make his children evil? What if the American mom was a conservative Christian patriot?

How does two citizen parent prevent a child from growing up to be an marxist loving anti- American? There is certainly no shortage of natural born citizens who hate what is good about this country.


81 posted on 02/22/2012 5:39:39 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

Of course.


82 posted on 02/22/2012 5:49:55 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Josephat
He's avoiding the question and trying to redirect the conversation.
Ask it until he answers.
83 posted on 02/22/2012 5:49:55 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
A President MUST be a Citizen from the moment of birth.
Are all of those "citizens" natural born citizens from the moment of their birth?

Of course.
But only a natural born citizen can be POTUS, right?

84 posted on 02/22/2012 5:52:23 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

A Natural Born Citizen is any person who becomes a citizen at the very moment of birth.


85 posted on 02/22/2012 5:57:42 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
A Natural Born Citizen is any person who becomes a citizen at the very moment of birth.
That doesn't answer my question.

But only a natural born citizen can be POTUS, right?

86 posted on 02/22/2012 5:59:48 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

A Naturalized Citizen can not be President of the United States.

A Natural Born Citizen is any Citizen who is not a Naturalized Citizen.


87 posted on 02/22/2012 6:04:52 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Still waiting for an answer to this question as well...

But no Court will remove Obama from office after the fact.

Can a court, or other appropriate State authority, order an ineligible candidate off of a ballot or that they not be placed on a ballot before an election?

88 posted on 02/22/2012 6:06:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
A Naturalized Citizen can not be President of the United States.
A Natural Born Citizen is any Citizen who is not a Naturalized Citizen.

That doesn't answer my question.

But only a natural born citizen can be POTUS, right?

89 posted on 02/22/2012 6:09:50 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Now you are being dishonest.

I did answer

I said “of course”

You even responded to that answer so we all know that you read it.


90 posted on 02/22/2012 6:11:20 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Now you are being dishonest.
Where?
I did answer
I said “of course”

You answered @"of course" in answer to my question at @Are all of those "citizens" natural born citizens from the moment of their birth?

So once again...But only a natural born citizen can be POTUS, right?

91 posted on 02/22/2012 6:18:14 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Any person who becomes a citizen at the moment of birth is a Natural Born Citizen.

A Naturalized Citizen can not become President.

Only a Natural Born Citizen can be President.

We all know this.

However, YOUR small group of Birthers wants to redefine the term “Natural Born Citizen”.

92 posted on 02/22/2012 6:24:10 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Any person who becomes a citizen at the moment of birth is a Natural Born Citizen.
Such is your A Naturalized Citizen can not become President.
I agree.

Only a Natural Born Citizen can be President.
Thank you! Why the obfuscation? (we'll get back to this after I post this reply)

However, YOUR small group of Birthers wants to redefine the term “Natural Born Citizen”.
The term “Natural Born Citizen” is already defined and "my side" wants to uphold that definition of the term. Your side is the side wishing to redefine the term “Natural Born Citizen”.

As to the size of a group being of significance...

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. Samuel Adams
93 posted on 02/22/2012 6:41:53 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
Sorry about that.

Any person who becomes a citizen at the moment of birth is a Natural Born Citizen.
Such is your opinion.
A Naturalized Citizen can not become President. I agree.

94 posted on 02/22/2012 6:44:14 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kansas58
You say in reply #75 - A President MUST be a Citizen from the moment of birth.

You say in reply #87 - A Natural Born Citizen is any Citizen who is not a Naturalized Citizen.

And you finally admit in reply #87 that Only a Natural Born Citizen can be President.

You say that all "citizens" are natural born citizens from the moment of their birth. (reply #82 - Of course.)

So how does a child, though born a citizen, become a natural born citizen.

95 posted on 02/22/2012 6:58:48 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196

It’s the dual citizenship that is the ultimate issue.

We have a president who was raised in a foreign country, swearing allegiance to Indonesia as a child.

As an adult, he called Kenya his home country. He refuse to wear an American flag on his lapel as a US senator.

This is not a natural born citizen.


96 posted on 02/22/2012 6:59:48 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Kansas58
Sorry, that should be a question...

So how does a child, though born a citizen, become a natural born citizen?

97 posted on 02/22/2012 7:01:26 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

natural born citizen means citizen at birth

A citizen at the moment of birth is a Natural Born Citizen.

The terms mean exactly the same thing.

Nothing else is required.


98 posted on 02/22/2012 7:02:13 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Walk and chew gum...

But no Court will remove Obama from office after the fact.

Can a court, or other appropriate State authority, order an ineligible candidate off of a ballot or that they not be placed on a ballot before an election?

99 posted on 02/22/2012 7:04:49 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Yes


100 posted on 02/22/2012 7:12:01 PM PST by Kansas58
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