For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Out of Wedlock

New York Times ^ | February 17, 2012 | JASON DePARLE and SABRINA TAVERNISE

[caww]

The only real solution is for morality to be the cultural standard.

Well.. we can easily see society doesn't have an interest in morality standards....our society is about how to handle 'the results' of immorality apart from moral standards , other than what each determines his own "truth" of what morality they adhere to. Basically becoming their own God. Our culture is one of standerless standards on the masses...and they lick it up like water from a stream.

[caww]

a nation of murderers!

Yes indeed..and worse against the most innocent among us. It's really worse than the heathen who sacrified their children to their false Gods...at least those children were allowed to be born....in our nation abortionists invade the safety chamber God provides for a child and cuts them to sreads or rips their wee bodies apart thru suction.

I saw a video of an abortion being done.. very hard to watch.. but the Dr. had become a Christian and had filmed this prior, he used these films to show how the baby reacts once the womb is invaded in order to disprove those who say the baby isn;t affected.......It was both alarming and stunning as the baby pushed itself against the back of the womb to avoid the probe which had invaded it's safety chamber. I will never forget that and have used this in speaking with woman about abortion.

[goat granny]

I think you are right, do away with abortion and girls might learn to say No again and 95% of abortions wouldn't happen cause pregnancy wouldn't happen....I don't think we will ever do away with it 100% but they would then be few and rare, just like the libs say they want now....

Back in the 50's one of my friends had an abortion, forced to by her parents as the father was 1/2 black. She was a loosy goosy to begin with, horrid parents and child abuse against her and her younger sister...with beatings where the mother would hold the girls and the dad would beat them with a strap, spent time locked in the basement etc. etc. etc...its amazing those 2 survived at all...

[goat granny]

What is also horrid for the men is that some of the women are married and the father has no say. He just has to live with the fact that his wife killed his baby....I don’t see how those marriages survive...that has to be horrid for the fathers...

[thecodont]

Discouraging abortion is just half of it.

The other half of it is encouraging marriage and the conception, birth and raising of children within that strong marriage.

[DNA.2012]

It is the standard societal motif; so you not subscribe to it?

Usually when people say that the father needs to be responsible, they mean that the father should fork over more cash while the mother gets to actually parent.

[little jeremiah]

All your points are valid. Poor girls...

This world will never be perfect, but with a cultural standard that makes people ashamed of sex outside of marriage, illegitimate children will be rare, as they used to be. WIth adoptions made easier, good homes can be found for newborns, which makes it easier for everyone - including and most especially the babies.

[little jeremiah]

You aren’t reading what other people say. BOTH father AND mother need to be responsible for any children they pop out. Is that clear yet?

And the cultural standard of whoredom is very recent. And no, I do not “subscribe” to it. Do you?

[DNA.2012]

"Do you subscribe to it?"

was in reference to:

Usually when people say that the father needs to be responsible, they mean that the father should fork over more cash while the mother gets to actually parent.

The wording undoubtedly makes clear that I don't subscribe to it.

The question was whether you do or not.

[goat granny]

both of my sisters kids are adopted...if abortion would have been legal, they might not be here....that would be a shame....I keep in touch via email with her daughter, my niece all the time and love them both.

[little jeremiah]

You need to brush up on clear communication. There are several conversations going on in one thread.

Regarding:

Usually when people say that the father needs to be responsible, they mean that the father should fork over more cash while the mother gets to actually parent.

I already said that BOTH parents - mother AND father - should be equally responsible IN EVERY WAY for any offspring they pop out. Can I be any clearer? In every single way. And since there is almost always acrimony about how to practically apply this, then people should think twice about messing around with people they aren't married to, and should marry with lifelong commitment. Of course, sometimes a spouse turns out to be a psychopath, but most divorces don't need to happen.

Feminism is at the root of many divorces, directly or indirectly.

[kearnyirish2]

“where really does the majority stand?”

As the “dependent class” grows, we can only hope that they resent being fed the scraps from the Dems’ table, and have enough pride to believe we can get out of this. Ten years ago Obama wouldn’t have stood a chance; realistically he shouldn’t today, but I hope enough people see him as exacerbating the problem rather than possibly having any solution.

He isn’t very credible about solutions at this point.

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[DNA.2012]

most [fathers] don't want [custody of their own] children

That's the myth that keeps the whole family-destroying machine going.

[DNA.2012]

However if legally... they fathered a child... and the laws were to state they HAD to assume custody and pay the piper we might also see fewer men willing to risk that

You presume that most men don't want parenthood and you are wrong.

[darrellmaurina]

105 posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:24:47 AM by thecodont: “Quoting varmintman: “We need to once again make it both economically feasible and socially acceptable for people to marry and start families in their late teens or early twenties which is what the human race is biologically programmed for.’ Very good idea!”

I was shocked at the large number of young marriages among military personnel until I realized that the military does exactly that... providing a decent income and housing for a young man and young woman who want to get married shortly after high school.

The military is far from a panacea but it does provide something in this area that very few civilian jobs can provide which do not require many years of post-high-school training or college.

The military also has to deal with the problems caused by lots of young marriages, including a high divorce rate. There are reasons why marriage has been postponed in modern America and while many of them are bad, not all of them are.

[thecodont]

The military also has to deal with the problems caused by lots of young marriages, including a high divorce rate. There are reasons why marriage has been postponed in modern America and while many of them are bad, not all of them are.

The young people need support and education about what makes a strong relationship, starting (I think this is not too early) at puberty. Some communities offer "relationship and communication" classes for high school students. Going to cotillion and learning basic social graces is another part of it, and some places make sure 10- and 12-year-olds are getting instruction in this. Again, this is not too early to learn. I'm describing a past the vestiges of which still exist here and there.

The military might provide some of the elements but it is also an existence which demands constant moving around in many cases, which would make living in a community aware of the challenges facing a young couple a little more daunting.

[daniel1212]

Sorry for missing or passing over your response, but in review i would say that that finding out the percentage of abortions per per live births is what you are looking for, yet the more recent comparison i could only find is from 2004/05 data. Note that according to AGI (Alan Guttmacher Institute, a former Planned Parenthood research arm), which is considered more accurate, Wash. DC ranked #1 in % of abortions in 2004 and 05, and according to the latest Census tabulation it is in #1 of homosexual households.

Below is the best table i could find, which is from http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/statesabrate.html. I highlighted the rank columns and placed highest states names and numbers in bold. It could be interesting to compare this with my table of other correlations.

Percent of known pregnancies ending in reported abortions by state with state rank

state	abortions by residents, in/out of state									abortions occurring in state
	AGI data, 1985		AGI data, 2004		CDC data, 2004		latest official data			AGI data, 2005		latest official data
	abortion %	rank	abortion %	rank	abortion %	rank	abortion %	year	rank	abortion %	rank	abortion %	year	rank
Alabama	25.0	26	15.9	36	14.0	28	13.1	2009	33	15.8	34	14.8	2009	27
Alaska	23.1	29	17.5	28	16.3	22	14.3	2009	28	15.8	35	14.6	2009	28
Arizona	27.7	16	16.3	32	9.6	40	9.8	2009	42	16.9	30	10.0	2009	40
Arkansas	16.7	44	11.9	44	11.1	38	9.1	2009	45	10.8	43	10.3	2009	39
California	40.4	3	27.6	7			33.5	1983	1	27.5	9	9.6*	2007	41*
Colorado	29.5	14	17.3	29	13.6	30	13.6	2006	31	19.0	24	13.5	2006	32
Connecticut	38.5	5	28.7	6	25.6	2	25.6	2006	4	28.8	8	25.2	2006	5
Delaware	26.2	24	25.3	11	23.6	3	23.1	2007	7	30.8	5	29.6	2007	2
District of Columbia	37.5	7	42.8	1	20.1	11	20.1	2006	12	49.9	1	24.0	2006	6
Florida	30.2	13	29.1	5			29.4	2003	3	29.0	7	27.1	2009	4
Georgia	27.5	19	19.0	22	15.7	23	16.6	2007	21	19.1	23	17.1	2006	19
Hawaii	37.7	6	22.1	15	17.3	17	14.3	2008	29	23.0	13	14.4	2008	30
Idaho	14.9	46	10.6	47	7.5	43	5.4	2008	49	7.3	46	5.5	2008	49
Illinois	27.5	18	21.8	16	18.6	13	19.4	2009	14	22.2	16	21.2	2009	9
Indiana	20.6	32	13.0	42	11.4	37	10.4	2007	40	11.3	41	10.8	2007	36
Iowa	20.5	35	13.6	39	12.8	33	12.1	2008	35	14.0	37	13.9	2008	31
Kansas	15.6	45	13.2	41	12.6	34	10.3	2009	41	21.4	18	18.5	2009	17
Kentucky	14.4	48	10.0	49			9.6	2003	43	6.4	50	6.3	2006	48
Louisiana	19.0	41	14.3	37			17.6	1983	16	15.8	36	9.6	2008	42
Maine	24.3	27	17.9	27	15.6	24	15.6	2006	26	16.4	31	15.9	2006	25
Maryland	38.7	4	32.8	4	11.6	36	11.6	2006	36	33.4	4	11.0	2006	35
Massachusetts	33.7	9	25.5	10	23.5	5	23.5	2006	6	26.2	11	23.8	2006	7
Michigan	32.1	10	24.8	12	16.6	20	15.7	2009	25	24.1	12	16.0	2009	24
Minnesota	19.5	39	16.1	33	15.5	25	13.9	2009	30	16.4	32	15.0	2009	26
Mississippi	14.8	47	16.0	35	12.9	32	5.2	2009	50	6.8	47	5.3	2009	50
Missouri	22.0	31	16.5	31	15.2	26	12.4	2008	34	9.7	45	8.4	2008	45
Montana	19.5	38	16.1	34	13.6	29	13.2	2008	32	16.0	33	14.5	2008	29
Nebraska	18.4	42	11.4	46	8.9	42	7.8	2009	46	11.0	42	8.6	2009	44
Nevada	37.2	8	26.5	9	21.0	8	21.0	2006	9	27.3	10	22.2	2006	8
New Hampshire	27.5	17	18.9	23			17.5	1987	17	18.0	27	12.6	1997	34
New Jersey	42.3	2	33.5	3	21.6	7	21.6	2006	8	35.0	3	18.8	2007	15
New Mexico	19.9	36	19.1	21	17.6	16	15.8	2007	23	17.8	28	16.9	2006	21
New York	42.6	1	38.6	2	32.8	1	31.7	2008	2	38.8	2	32.7	2008	1
North Carolina	27.4	20	20.9	20	18.8	12	17.0	2009	18	21.9	17	19.4	2009	13
North Dakota	11.2	50	10.3	48	9.3	41	9.3	2008	44	12.8	38	13.4	2008	33
Ohio	25.7	25	18.3	25	17.3	18	15.7	2009	24	19.2	22	16.5	2009	23
Oklahoma	20.5	34	12.5	43	11.9	35	10.6	2008	38	11.8	40	10.6	2008	38
Oregon	26.3	22	21.1	19	17.8	15	16.8	2009	20	22.4	15	18.7	2009	16
Pennsylvania	26.8	21	21.2	18	20.5	10	20.0	2008	13	19.6	21	20.7	2008	10
Rhode Island	31.3	11	27.3	8	23.5	4	23.5	2006	5	29.8	6	28.1	2006	3
South Carolina	20.5	33	18.5	24	16.9	19	17.0	2007	19	17.1	29	17.0	2007	20
South Dakota	11.7	49	8.0	50	6.8	44	5.5	2008	48	6.6	48	6.6	2008	47
Tennessee	22.2	30	16.7	30	15.0	27	14.7	2008	27	18.2	25	17.5	2006	18
Texas	23.5	28	18.2	26	16.6	21	16.3	2008	22	18.2	26	16.8	2008	22
Utah	10.4	51	6.6	51	6.3	45	5.9	2008	47	6.6	49	6.6	2008	46
Vermont	26.2	23	21.3	17	18.5	14	18.0	2008	15	20.5	19	19.2	2008	14
Virginia	31.1	12	22.5	14	20.9	9	20.4	2008	10	20.2	20	20.2	2006	11
Washington	28.5	15	23.1	13	22.2	6	20.2	2009	11	22.6	14	20.2	2009	12
West Virginia	16.9	43	11.7	45	10.6	39	10.6	2006	37	10.3	44	8.9	2006	43
Wisconsin	19.5	37	13.6	40	13.0	31	10.4	2009	39	12.2	39	10.7	2009	37
Wyoming	19.0	40	14.0	38	3.5	46	3.5	2006	51	1.0	51	0.1	2006	51

* California data is significantly underreported.

Note that as in things like the morality rate for homosexuals, recent precise data is hard to get to from the government. The Guardian.co.uk also provides a table of the abortion ratio per number but not the %, prefacing it by saying,

So, what are the numbers? Despite - or maybe because of - the political importance of the debate, they're not clear. Compiled by the US Centers for Disease Control they only go up to 2005, and there is some doubt over whether later ones will be published. The report itself only has the tables images, ie, they can't be copied unless you type them out.

Well, that is what we have done, just with a couple of tables - total figures and a breakdown by state. There are some omissions. California, the most populous state in the union, does not compile (or release) abortion figures. But this is what there is. Let us know what you can do with it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/nov/30/abortion-us-states-obama-healthcare-data/print

Also http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/23/54559615-abortions-since-roe-vs-wade-decision-in-1973/ states,

In a new document, “Abortion Statistics: United States Data and Trends,” NRLC education director Dr. Randall K. O’Bannon estimates that there have been 54,559,615 abortions since 1973 based on data from both the Centers for Disease Control and the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, a former Planned Parenthood research arm. Guttmacher receives numbers directly from abortion centers themselves and is the prime source for more current figures because the Centers for Disease Control has never tabulated accurate numbers of abortions. The CDC relies on figures from state health departments, some of which rely on voluntary reporting — and it hasn’t had data from some states such as California and New Hampshire for more than a decade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Reasons_for_abortions provides thee results:

A 2004 study by the Guttmacher Institute reported that women listed the following amongst their reasons for choosing to have an abortion: [43]

74% Having a baby would dramatically change my life

73% Can’t afford a baby now

48% Don’t want to be a single mother or having relationship problems

38% Have completed my childbearing

32% Not ready for a(nother) child

25% Don’t want people to know I had sex or got pregnant

22% Don’t feel mature enough to raise a(nother) child

14% Husband or partner wants me to have an abortion

13% Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus

12% Concerns about my health

6% Parents want me to have an abortion

1% Was a victim of rape

less than 0.5% Became pregnant as a result of incest

Finally, in another aspect of liberalism, the below is from http://www.census.gov/hhes/samesex/files/ss-report-tables.xls, on how many homosexual households are reported per state (it is an estimated correction from the 2010 census)

Appendix Table 1a. Percent of All Households Same-sex Couple Households, by State:
Census 2000, 2010 Census and the American Community Survey 2010
			ACS 2010
Area	Census 2000	2010 Census	Estimate	Std. Err.
United States	0.563	0.773	0.518	0.006
Alabama	0.467	0.598	0.300	0.039	45
Alaska	0.532	0.717	0.295	0.086	46
Arizona	0.649	0.880	0.649	0.053
Arkansas	0.424	0.611	0.360	0.050
California	0.801	0.998	0.726	0.022	6
Colorado	0.606	0.817	0.618	0.053
Connecticut	0.567	0.784	0.672	0.067
Delaware	0.625	0.979	0.565	0.095
District of Columbia	1.481	1.929	1.172	0.148	1
Florida	0.648	0.884	0.576	0.029
Georgia	0.642	0.832	0.456	0.036
Hawaii	0.592	0.933	0.779	0.100	4
Idaho	0.399	0.560	0.315	0.067
Illinois	0.498	0.671	0.414	0.028
Indiana	0.437	0.657	0.402	0.038
Iowa	0.322	0.535	0.372	0.048
Kansas	0.383	0.555	0.330	0.050
Kentucky	0.447	0.673	0.405	0.041
Louisiana	0.532	0.703	0.318	0.039
Maine	0.655	0.970	0.774	0.109	5
Maryland	0.568	0.788	0.485	0.048
Mass	0.700	1.023	0.829	0.059	3
Michigan	0.406	0.562	0.389	0.028
Minnesota	0.483	0.657	0.602	0.040
Mississippi	0.456	0.563	0.258	0.048	48
Missouri	0.430	0.642	0.425	0.037
Montana	0.340	0.560	0.401	0.100
Nebraska	0.350	0.520	0.394	0.059
Nevada	0.662	0.926	0.551	0.072
New Hampshire	0.570	0.893	0.553	0.096
New Jersey	0.542	0.750	0.494	0.044
New Mexico	0.663	0.984	0.701	0.094
New York	0.659	0.892	0.636	0.028
North Carolina	0.517	0.728	0.474	0.033
North Dakota	0.273	0.396	0.292	0.074	47
Ohio	0.426	0.621	0.402	0.025
Oklahoma	0.429	0.671	0.443	0.047
Oregon	0.670	0.986	0.695	0.070
Pennsylvania	0.443	0.670	0.438	0.028
Rhode Island	0.605	0.886	0.885	0.155	2
South Carolina	0.496	0.640	0.318	0.041
South Dakota	0.285	0.431	0.181	0.063	49
Tennessee	0.456	0.655	0.400	0.040
Texas	0.580	0.756	0.493	0.024
Utah	0.481	0.662	0.447	0.055
Vermont	0.803	1.091	0.697	0.109
Virginia	0.511	0.672	0.443	0.039
Washington	0.700	0.927	0.632	0.048
West Virginia	0.396	0.686	0.311	0.054	44
Wisconsin	0.395	0.598	0.414	0.030
Wyoming	0.417	0.506	0.175	0.069	50

Source: Census 2000 and 2010 Summary File 1 and 2010 American Community Survey.

[PapaNew]

abortions...according to the latest Census tabulation it is in #1 of homosexual households

Not sure what this means.

I think the most meaningful measure here is out-of-wedlock PREGNANCIES. That would include births and abortions.

[daniel1212]

It was bad that it must have broke the server!