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Holder tells Congress the Obama administration wants to ban guns
The Daily Caller ^ | 9:29 AM 02/08/2012 | By Chris Cox

Posted on 02/08/2012 7:21:59 AM PST by Lazamataz

Last Thursday, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder appeared before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to answer questions about his role in the deadly “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal. However, instead of answers, Congress got more defiance, more arrogance, and more wasted time with an attorney general who clearly feels no sense of obligation to the American people or our rule of law.

But for all the stonewalling, there was at least one telling moment at this hearing, and it should concern law-abiding gun owners and all Americans who expect accountability from our government.

In a rash attempt to deflect attention away from himself and his own irresponsibility, Holder let Congress know that the Obama administration is still working toward the day when it can reinstate former President Bill Clinton’s so-called “assault weapons” ban. According to Holder:

This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico.
It’s difficult to follow Holder’s logic here, but it goes something like this …

The Obama administration — particularly Eric Holder’s Justice Department — oversaw an epic scandal whereby our own federal government illegally funneled thousands of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug lords. This contributed to the death of one U.S. Border Patrol agent and hundreds of Mexicans.

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1 posted on 02/08/2012 7:22:06 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Of course he does ... all wanna be dictators do


2 posted on 02/08/2012 7:24:43 AM PST by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Lazamataz

Gun sales have skyrocketed since Barry the Kenyan Guy rose to power. At the same time, the FBI is reporting that violent crime is dropping like a rock. Holder seems clueless about what is really going on right now. He needs to resign and go start a chicken farm or something.


3 posted on 02/08/2012 7:26:15 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (So just where does the "buck stop" at the Department of "Justice"?)
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To: Lazamataz

And here I thought all he did was perjure himself during these hearings. Finally a bit of truth comes out.


4 posted on 02/08/2012 7:26:51 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Lazamataz; clamper1797

A prediction. Attempting that will set off a revolutionary war much earlier than I had expected it.


5 posted on 02/08/2012 7:27:29 AM PST by davisfh
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To: Lazamataz

Sure then only his people will have guns.

We all need to read a little fiction to see what is really taking place. The Turner Diaries, while not a literary masterpiece was just slightly ahead of its time in describing what our government has become. If you don’t mind being uncomfortable in your own skin (regardless of color) it is a quick read and an open (transparent) window into how evil a government can become and way too damned close to this administration.


6 posted on 02/08/2012 7:28:56 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...
"...the Obama administration is still working toward the day when it can reinstate former President Bill Clinton’s so-called “assault weapons” ban. According to Holder:..."

Ummmm. Duh???


JUST DO IT!

7 posted on 02/08/2012 7:30:09 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Lazamataz

Obama administration wants to ban guns

This statement is part correct.

Conservatives will be banned from owning firearms.

However, many of the elite along with their self appointed ‘victim groups’ (gays, feminists, Holder’s people) will be permitted to own guns in order to protect themselves from the ‘bitter clingers and bible thumpers’.


8 posted on 02/08/2012 7:31:33 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Lazamataz

If a Republican AG had acted in such a fashion he would already be in jail. The media would have built the cell and Republicans would have (rightly so) helped chuck him in there. That is the difference between the Ds and the Rs. The play hardball and our guys are more interested in being liked and keeping their phony-baloney jobs.


9 posted on 02/08/2012 7:31:49 AM PST by hometoroost (Frodo lives!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Actually, he needs to be prosecuted and do some serious jail time, IMHO....


10 posted on 02/08/2012 7:32:26 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Lazamataz

Let me see: ban guns, ban religion, ban healthcare choices, ban talk radio, ban congress, ban fossil fuels, ban capitalism, hell just ban the constitution and be done with it. It is truly frightening how far Obama has taken us down the road to tyranny and destruction of the traditional values of this country, not mention, the economic destruction.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 7:34:39 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Lazamataz
Tell Holder I want to ban Obozo


12 posted on 02/08/2012 7:35:57 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: hometoroost

nail on head and one of the most accurate posts ever put on here.

Our side does not want to rock the boat and tries to b e likes off the MSM and the left as they do not want to be called a name etc.

The left fight tooth and nail to defend their social issues, planned parenthood, homosexuality agenda etc.

That is why now we have the elitist north east Romney put out there by them.


13 posted on 02/08/2012 7:36:16 AM PST by manc (FOX, DRUDGE, HAS BEEN DISGUSTING IN THEIR BIASED ATTACKS V NEWT. I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: basil

Like everyone else in the Obama Regime, Holder is in way over his head.


14 posted on 02/08/2012 7:36:49 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (So just where does the "buck stop" at the Department of "Justice"?)
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To: hometoroost
If a Republican AG had acted in such a fashion he would already be in jail. The media would have built the cell and Republicans would have (rightly so) helped chuck him in there. That is the difference between the Ds and the Rs. The play hardball and our guys are more interested in being liked and keeping their phony-baloney jobs.

Yeah, but we are principled

/ s.

When patriots learn to fight, go full tilt, and take no prisoners, then our rights will be respected.

Depending on a piece of paper under glass in DC to maintain a free lifestyle will fail if we are not determined to actually live free.

15 posted on 02/08/2012 7:38:09 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Holder de chicken plucker, do tell. LOL
16 posted on 02/08/2012 7:39:12 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: Lazamataz
Not only does Holder, but we'd best better be careful to elect a POTUS who won't be against the RKBA, either, and who will not 'compromise' and further infringe our Rights.

The Obamites are going to try a full-court press on the issue, especially since there is a good chance DuhWon is a lame duck.

17 posted on 02/08/2012 7:41:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lazamataz
Not only does Holder, but we'd best better be careful to elect a POTUS who won't be against the RKBA, either, and who will not 'compromise' and further infringe our Rights.

The Obamites are going to try a full-court press on the issue, especially since there is a good chance DuhWon is a lame duck.

18 posted on 02/08/2012 7:44:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Gun sales have skyrocketed since Barry the Kenyan Guy rose to power. At the same time, the FBI is reporting that violent crime is dropping like a rock.”

John Lott, pick up the white courtesy phone for a congratulatory message...


19 posted on 02/08/2012 7:46:06 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: Lazamataz
Congress got more defiance, more arrogance, and more wasted time with an attorney general who clearly feels no sense of obligation to the American people or our rule of law.

Perfect example of the liberal urban culture that's taken over much of Holder's people. It's the reason the Black Panthers weren't prosecuted. Once one is party of a protected class whatever one does can be rationalized in terms of past wrongs real or perceived. The resulting arrogance and boldness make it all the more offensive.


20 posted on 02/08/2012 7:49:06 AM PST by Not The Other One
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To: Lazamataz
Congress got more defiance, more arrogance, and more wasted time with an attorney general who clearly feels no sense of obligation to the American people or our rule of law.

Perfect example of the liberal urban culture that's taken over much of Holder's people. It's the reason the Black Panthers weren't prosecuted. Once one is party of a protected class whatever one does can be rationalized in terms of past wrongs real or perceived. The resulting arrogance and boldness make it all the more offensive.


21 posted on 02/08/2012 7:49:18 AM PST by Not The Other One
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To: FlingWingFlyer
He needs to resign and go start a chicken farm or something.

Yes... located right on the border with Mexico... and he must be unarmed.

22 posted on 02/08/2012 7:49:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: going hot

23 posted on 02/08/2012 7:51:47 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: Lazamataz
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PROPHECY AT IT'S FINEST
24 posted on 02/08/2012 7:51:53 AM PST by Chance Hart
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To: Lazamataz

***This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban.***

This is what GunWalker was all about. The regime wanted to show guns seized in Mexico were being bought in the US. Remember all the hub bub about the mex pres requesting Obama to “do something” to stop the flow of guns from the US to the cartels?

They kept spouting false numbers about where the guns came from, almost all were from central and south America. So Bams had his goons run gunwalker to get some “real numbers”.


25 posted on 02/08/2012 7:54:01 AM PST by wrench
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To: Lazamataz
The first GOP candidate to cut a TV ad bashing Obama for Fast And Furious, and exposing Obama’s use of innocent Mexicans as pawns and cannon fodder, in his attempt to restrict the 2nd Amendment, will WIN!
26 posted on 02/08/2012 7:54:44 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Every time Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Santorum speak plainly re Zero's dumping on US, they get a large spike in the polls.

There is a very large reservoir of energy and anger out there, anger at everything that has been and is being crammed down our throats.The pol who taps that will take it going away, leavig the rest of the pack at the 3/4 pole.

27 posted on 02/08/2012 8:00:03 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Chance Hart

28 posted on 02/08/2012 8:03:34 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"Holder seems clueless about what is really going on right now."

_______________

To dismiss AG Holder as "clueless" is to greatly underestimate him and to minimize the danger he poses. Holder is pure authoritarian evil personified.

29 posted on 02/08/2012 8:07:32 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: do the dhue

And remember, Romney appointed extremely liberal judges in Massachusetts instead of conservative ones. Why would he do anything different if he was president?

(contrary to the hunting photo, the 2nd amendment covers a lot more than just hunting)


30 posted on 02/08/2012 8:08:28 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: Lazamataz

Here’s an idea, let’s ban incompetent, lying people from holding any public office. Yeah, let’s start with the head of the Department of Justice. I think that would set a great example in our Federal Government!

BTW, is there really a link between Holder and the Chicago Mafia? (Since public shame does not work with Democrats, I thought I would try a typical “dirty-tricks” style, unfounded rumor that the Democrats have always used so expertly in the past).


31 posted on 02/08/2012 8:09:31 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Lazamataz
Obama is a hands on president. He'll lift your wallet with one hand and grab your gun with the other.
32 posted on 02/08/2012 8:11:09 AM PST by JPG (Matters at which the foolish laugh and at whose consequences the prudent weep.)
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To: A. Patriot
(contrary to the hunting photo, the 2nd amendment covers a lot more than just hunting)

10-4 good buddy


33 posted on 02/08/2012 8:13:20 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: Lazamataz
Let's not overreact here. All Holder said is that the Administration wants to ban assault weapons.

As defined as any semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and a capacity in excess of twenty rounds. Well, maybe five. Now, they also want to ban handguns, but they won't come right out and tell you that. Yet. And semi-automatic shotguns. And hunting rifles, too, because they can be used for purposes other than hunting. Remember JFK? His former secretary certainly does.

Let's face it: guns are dangerous and people can't be trusted with them because they make liberals wet their pants. Now pardon me; I'm going out to buy that Norinco SKS I've had my eye on for months, 'cause I need to have it ready for the Creepy-White-Guy-Survivalists-With-Gadsden-Flag-Bumper-Stickers meeting I'm going to tonight, along with a six-pack of Bud and a pouch of Red Man chew.

34 posted on 02/08/2012 8:17:05 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Correct. His conclusions are utter BS. The decrease in crime rates have tracked the increase in gun sales.


35 posted on 02/08/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: SparkyBass
Here's a more accurate facial expression:
36 posted on 02/08/2012 8:22:24 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lazamataz

Anyone that wishes to ban guns must be viewed as a traitor and a promoter of Hate. Banning guns is a direct infringement on the exercise of a Civil Fundamental Right. Gun ban zealots are no different than the KKK, Nazi’s, Black Panthers, et al.

There is no justifiable reason to ban any kind of small arm except to further an unConstitutional Agenda. Holder is promoting an agenda of Hate. Hitler would be proud.


37 posted on 02/08/2012 8:23:37 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: do the dhue

This photo is a real problem and why I do not like Santorum. He does not understand that the Constitutional right to gun ownership has nothing to do with hunting and sports endeavors. It has everything to do with self defense.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 8:24:17 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
He needs to resign and go start a chicken farm or something.

Do federal penitentiaries have chicken farms that the prisoners can work on?
39 posted on 02/08/2012 8:39:09 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: dirtymac; do the dhue
This photo is a real problem and why I do not like Santorum. He does not understand that the Constitutional right to gun ownership has nothing to do with hunting and sports endeavors. It has everything to do with self defense.

It also has nothing to do with self defense. It has everything to do with maintaining the security of a Free State. That means having the militia outfitted with ARMS of its own. Hunting and self defense are mere byproducts of the 2nd Amendment.

40 posted on 02/08/2012 8:41:11 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Lazamataz

Cox and the NRA have spent millions of dollars, perhaps billions over the years bribing members of Congress from both parties to suppoert our cause. One would think that for that kind of money, the NRA ought to be able to round up a bi-partisan group of senators and congressmen to publically demand a special prosecutor. Yet all I hear is silence.


41 posted on 02/08/2012 8:43:17 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Ancesthntr
HEAR HEAR!!

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42 posted on 02/08/2012 8:50:18 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: Lazamataz

Last Thursday, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder appeared before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to answer questions about his role in the deadly “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal. However, instead of answers, Congress got more defiance, more arrogance, and more wasted time with an attorney general who clearly feels no sense of obligation to the American people or our rule of law.

But for all the stonewalling, there was at least one telling moment at this hearing, and it should concern law-abiding gun owners and all Americans who expect accountability from our government.

In a rash attempt to deflect attention away from himself and his own irresponsibility, Holder let Congress know that the Obama administration is still working toward the day when it can reinstate former President Bill Clinton’s so-called “assault weapons” ban. According to Holder:

This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico.

It’s difficult to follow Holder’s logic here, but it goes something like this …

The Obama administration — particularly Eric Holder’s Justice Department — oversaw an epic scandal whereby our own federal government illegally funneled thousands of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug lords. This contributed to the death of one U.S. Border Patrol agent and hundreds of Mexicans.

Despite being head of the Justice Department and our nation’s chief law enforcement officer, Eric Holder claims he doesn’t know how or why this scandal occurred, or even who under his charge may have authorized it. He also refuses to turn over critical documents to congressional investigators that could help prevent something this tragic and corrupt from ever happening again.

Therefore, Obama and Holder are confident that if they can ban a large number of the legal firearms that law-abiding Americans use every day for self-defense, hunting, and recreational and competitive target shooting, it will help solve Mexico’s crime problem.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/02/06/senate-to-repeal-gun-law/


43 posted on 02/08/2012 8:55:32 AM PST by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord)
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To: Wurlitzer

Add another great book to post 6 above. It too is fiction but could be a heads up on our future.

“Unintended Consequences”

A novel by John Ross. 1996


44 posted on 02/08/2012 8:57:04 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Lazamataz
Assault weapons are fully automatic and FDR put a ban (infringement)on them a long time ago. What the the tyros want now is something totally different from what they are saying.
45 posted on 02/08/2012 9:06:45 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: dirtymac

“It has everything to do with self defense.” very true and also don’t forget Thomas Jefferson’s quote.

“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.”


46 posted on 02/08/2012 9:06:51 AM PST by toomanylaws
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To: toomanylaws

And that’s why Jefferson has always been a hero of mine. We are damn long overdue..


47 posted on 02/08/2012 9:14:30 AM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: Wurlitzer
We all need to read a little fiction to see what is really taking place. The Turner Diaries, while not a literary masterpiece was just slightly ahead of its time in describing what our government has become. If you don’t mind being uncomfortable in your own skin (regardless of color) it is a quick read and an open (transparent) window into how evil a government can become and way too damned close to this administration.

The Turner Diaries were also a Neo-Nazi manifesto to turn the US into a new Reich. No thanks.

48 posted on 02/08/2012 9:14:56 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lazamataz

I wonder what percentage of shootings involve firearms that fit his definition of “assault weapon”.

We can’t get rid of these stupid bastards fast enough. It’s a shame that the republicans seem determined to keep them in office....


49 posted on 02/08/2012 9:15:34 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Lazamataz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oo77QQ5gYA


50 posted on 02/08/2012 9:16:56 AM PST by Osage Orange (A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.)
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