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The verdict is in on climate change
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 22, 2012 | By Naomi Oreskes

Posted on 01/22/2012 8:03:23 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

When it comes to climate change, open-mindedness is the wrong approach.

I study the history of climate science, and my research has shown that the think tanks and institutes that deny the reality or severity of climate change, or promote distrust of climate science, do so out of self-interest, ideological conviction or both.

In my travels, I have met many, many people who have told me that they are not in denial about climate change; they simply don't know enough to decide.

Since the mid-1990s, there has been clear-cut evidence that the climate is changing because of human activities: burning fossil fuels and cutting down forests. For the last decade or so it has been increasingly clear that these changes are accelerating, and worrisome.

Yet many Americans cling to the idea that it is reasonable to maintain an open mind. It isn't, at least not to scientists who study the matter.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: acc; agw; climatechange; climatechangefraud; climategate; failure; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hoax; socialism
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Naomi Oreskes-Wanker is a professor of history at UC San Diego and the coauthor of "Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming."
1 posted on 01/22/2012 8:03:32 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

there has been clear-cut evidence that the climate is changing because of human activities:

Bull.

And why no one listens to such ideological crapola.


2 posted on 01/22/2012 8:06:09 AM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

you mean he’s a real “wanker”?


3 posted on 01/22/2012 8:06:16 AM PST by brivette
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As far as I can tell, we have had “global warming” and “global cooling” through the ages, regardless of what is going on with the human population.


4 posted on 01/22/2012 8:07:43 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The best that you can EVER do on climate change is "hind sight".

Here's the problem...Why does it change?? Since we have gone through hot to cold and back again and still don't know the why, when or how it reverses, we know only hindsight and we don;t even have the answers to what has already occurred.

And we use those unknowns as a basis for predicting the future??? How stupid is that??

5 posted on 01/22/2012 8:09:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Naomi Oreskes-Wanker is a professor of history at UC San Diego.”

Hey Naomi, stick to rewriting history and leave science to the scientists.


6 posted on 01/22/2012 8:09:51 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“there has been clear-cut evidence that the climate is changing because of human activities”

Bull Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will agree the climate is changing but there is no demonstrable evidence it is man caused.

There is a discussion on FNS right now that claims “2 pieces of bacon causes CANCER.

More BS. It may cause cancer just as wearing a tee shirt might cause cancer.

You might know that carrots will kill you. Every person that has ever eaten a carrot has or will die. PROOF, MY BUTT.

These are “researchers” that are trying to get bigger GRANTS.

7 posted on 01/22/2012 8:10:26 AM PST by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I suspect that Prof. Naomi Orskes-Wanker is looking for more federal grant money. The feds just love giving grant money to people like her.

What a maroon. Typical liberal asshat.


8 posted on 01/22/2012 8:11:15 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Scratching for her 15 minutes of fame!


9 posted on 01/22/2012 8:11:40 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I study the history of climate science, and my research has shown that the think tanks and institutes that HYPE the severity of climate change, or promote the certainty of climate science, do so out of self-interest, ideological conviction or both.

Fixed it!


10 posted on 01/22/2012 8:13:18 AM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.”

IMO I believe these obscurities are based on availability of government grants. Follow the money.


11 posted on 01/22/2012 8:13:26 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: Don Corleone

The earth has been warming and cooling for 4.3 billion years.
The professor should stick to history...


12 posted on 01/22/2012 8:14:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: basil
through the ages, regardless of what is going on with the human population.

And through most of those ages there were no humans and the changes were profound. I live on one of those changes, Lake Erie which was formed by the glacial movements.

13 posted on 01/22/2012 8:14:40 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dear Naomi,

My Pop wasn’t a scientist, nor a Professor of history. He was, in part a Shylock and a bookie. And one thng he knew and passed along was that if someone “cooked the books”, say like your priesthood of human caused global warming, there was a reason WHY the books were cooked. Just sayin’.


14 posted on 01/22/2012 8:15:38 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Don Corleone

That should be ‘wanking’ for her 15 minutes of fame.


15 posted on 01/22/2012 8:15:51 AM PST by Track9 (The revolution IS brewing..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wow! An Op-Ed in the LA Times stating that Man-made Global Warming is real. Whatever will they think of next? I am soooo very shocked by this. /sarc


16 posted on 01/22/2012 8:17:23 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I have come to the conclusion these ‘warmers’ are followers of the cult of Nostradamus.
17 posted on 01/22/2012 8:17:55 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Human activity has so little effect on the global atmospheric environment it is like pissing in the ocean. Not that I ever did that.


18 posted on 01/22/2012 8:18:25 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
Typical liberal asshat.

Why is it that all liberal womyn look and sound alike

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19 posted on 01/22/2012 8:20:26 AM PST by digger48
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s her job to study climate. If she came out and said, “the weather all depends on the weather”, she’d be out of a job. So she says, :the weather is all our fault and you need experts like me to help stop it”. BS!


20 posted on 01/22/2012 8:20:43 AM PST by FishinTX
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
First and foremost, the climate may be changing or it may not, but there is no credible proof that it is caused by man. Second, her comparison to the tobacco industry (re: self interest) is not relevant, because people knew long before the government started pushing it that smoking was bad for you. And, when the government wanted to limit or stop smoking (still NOT their business) it wasn't going to involve:

1.) Relinquishing our sovereignty

2.) Crippling our entire industrial base on our own

3.) Taking trillions of dollars out of our economy, for something that is not only not proven, but the trillions of dollar will have no effect on slowing down.

Second, regarding this author Naomi Oreskes:...


21 posted on 01/22/2012 8:22:30 AM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The “history” Wanker said that, everywhere she goes, she studies “the history” of “climate change” not the science of “climate change”. There is a huge difference. These days, on college campuses, what occurred in “history” depends on the professor’s opinion and their agenda. What actually occurred is irrelevant to them.


22 posted on 01/22/2012 8:23:11 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I maintain an open mind for many reasons, and in fact, I still maintain that there might be something to the AGW idea. Fact is though, regardless, there is really very little we can do about it, so best we learn to just live with whatever comes our way.


23 posted on 01/22/2012 8:24:30 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
GWCRAP
24 posted on 01/22/2012 8:25:54 AM PST by FrankR (When you vote based on race...race is all you get.)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

Man, if two pieces of bacon causes cancer, I am one, giant walking, seething mass of tumor!

Either that, or I am irrefutable proof that for some people, two slices of bacon must be as safe as getting out of bed.


25 posted on 01/22/2012 8:26:17 AM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Can we just stick to the SCIENCE and skip the politics? THE NUMBER ONE greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is water vapor - 95% Of the remaining 5%, only a small fraction of greenhouse (warming) can be attributed to human activities. The substantial ability of the oceans, to absorb and release carbon dioxide is rarely, if ever, factored into the conversation about atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Why is it that “climate scientists” are so quick to hypothesize that the small percentage change of carbon dioxide caused by man is the source of “climate change” when the effect of water vapor, condensation and freezing, is SO DRAMATICALLY MORE PRONOUNCED about our daily weather experience?

My guess is that the OCEANS, which cover 70% of the surface of the planet, to a depth of thousands of feet, do not have a bank account, cannot be taxed, and have no political party.

But aside from the oceans, and the physcial properties of water as it interacts with the atmosphere, the SUN, also has a vote in the climate of Earth. This thermonuclear hot spot has many, many more times the effect on climate, than any marginal input from a minor player in the green house gas play list. Our SUN, according to all measurements, is a variable star, whose output changes over time.


26 posted on 01/22/2012 8:27:26 AM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“The verdict is in on climate change”

Verdict is in, my eye. You liar! Climate changes all the time without Man. So does weather. Where’d the Ice Age go?? You want to be taxed and controlled, knock your self out—but leave the rest of us alone to thrive on our own.


27 posted on 01/22/2012 8:28:19 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes, and the verdict is “Steaming pile of BS invented by fascist wanna bes in the “Green” movement”


28 posted on 01/22/2012 8:28:19 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: rlmorel

She looks like former Rep Anthony Weiner.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 8:28:40 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
When it comes to climate change, open-mindedness is the wrong approach.

She just nailed the group-think of those promoting the global warming scam.

30 posted on 01/22/2012 8:30:11 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A historian not a scientist. And a liar to boot.
31 posted on 01/22/2012 8:30:19 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Eco skank fears loss of funding shilling for algore

32 posted on 01/22/2012 8:34:35 AM PST by y6162
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How could you doubt anybody named “Naomi Oreskes-Wanker” who also happens to be a “College History Professor”? Give me a break!


33 posted on 01/22/2012 8:35:11 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: hinckley buzzard

How does this woman explain that Wednesday, January 19, 2012 was the coldest day in the last 10 years according to the satellite measurements from the University of Alabama, Huntsville?
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/


34 posted on 01/22/2012 8:36:40 AM PST by brookwood (.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
She looks like a typical liberal.


35 posted on 01/22/2012 8:38:06 AM PST by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything.

PSSSST! Naomi that’s a joke intended for idiots. You can’t control the weather.

Do you get it now?


36 posted on 01/22/2012 8:40:47 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The verdict is in. Naomi is guilty of spreading falsehoods and fraud.


37 posted on 01/22/2012 8:40:51 AM PST by abclily
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To: Adder

I’m still waiting for polar bears to wash up on shores with rising tides that are inundating coastal communities.


38 posted on 01/22/2012 8:41:26 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
think tanks and institutes that deny the reality or severity of climate change, or promote distrust of climate science, do so out of self-interest, ideological conviction or both.

Now that takes the cake. LOL.

39 posted on 01/22/2012 8:42:37 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“The verdict is in on climate change”

Again?


40 posted on 01/22/2012 8:43:19 AM PST by JewishRighter (Anybody but Hussein)
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To: Huskrrrr
That is the real tell on this broad. Lysenkoized political hack.
41 posted on 01/22/2012 8:47:10 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Any “scientist” who agrees that there should be no “open mindedness” is no scienist.


42 posted on 01/22/2012 8:47:41 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hey, let’s not forget that the editors at the LA Times gave this “scientist” space on their op-ed page to continue to proselytize this BS.


43 posted on 01/22/2012 8:48:34 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: digger48

“I enjoy softball, the LPGA, and...”


44 posted on 01/22/2012 8:48:46 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Adder
"Since the mid-1990s, there has been clear-cut evidence that the climate is changing because of human activities:

These partisan academics (read Democrats) keep saying there is clear-cut evidence but they never produce any of this evidence; all they manage to produce is the opinion of scientists who make their living off of government grants that are only given to those climatologists who support man-made climate change theories.

Repeatedly claiming there is clear-cut evidence and never producing it is getting tiresome.

45 posted on 01/22/2012 8:50:13 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ha! The hometown newspaper of a city with a population dumb enough to elect Antonio Villaraigosa mayor.


46 posted on 01/22/2012 8:50:47 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Scientists don't play the role of prosecutor trying to prove a case. Rather, they are the jury trying to evaluate the evidence. And they have rendered their verdict. The problem is not that scientists have become advocates, as some have claimed. The problem is that there is no judge, no recognized authority giving us instructions we accept, and no recognized authority to accept the scientists' verdict and declare it final.

Just for the sake of argument, assume everything that she says is true as far as global warming. We still get what to do about it. This is where the public, not the scientists, is the jury, judge, and executioner.

Further, the assumption that we should accept an authority is wrong we have minds and can make our own decisions based on the evidence,,p. when the prosecutors, the so-called scientists, present their evidence, then we can decide

47 posted on 01/22/2012 8:50:56 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Adder

Don’t let these liars confuse you.

I am a denier - yet the comment you quoted is true.

Human activity includes building cities - heat island effect - and deforestation. Etc

They play with words.


48 posted on 01/22/2012 8:53:35 AM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t give a fig about Climate Science. It’s the evil Climate Politicians that have designs on our prosperity that I despise.

And the Climate Politician only care about science in as much as they can use it to further their nefarious plans.


49 posted on 01/22/2012 8:59:33 AM PST by DManA
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To: brookwood
"How does this woman explain that Wednesday, January 19, 2012 was the coldest day in the last 10 years"

This woman would probably reply, "It is well understood among those of us who are more intelligent than you appear to be that Global Warming can also cause Planetary Cooling." And she wouldn't even bat an eye at the absurdity of this reply.

50 posted on 01/22/2012 9:05:53 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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