Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A-29 Super Tucano Wins Air Force Bid for Light Air Support Mission
Sierra Nevada Corporation ^ | Dec 30, 2011

Posted on 12/30/2011 7:38:59 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last
To: sukhoi-30mki
About why the Super Tucano, may be it has to do with the fact that it is probably the only realistic option which is in service with multiple airforces and has seen combat.

That's what I've read - it's proven itself operationally.
41 posted on 12/30/2011 9:27:20 PM PST by af_vet_rr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

An A-10 would play with these things like Tonka Toys..


42 posted on 12/30/2011 9:31:17 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

This is part of the next phase in the “Freedom For War” plans. State Dept Publication 5277. No one coutry will have weapons and capability to defeat the world army. Each country will have lesser capability equipment to deal with internal issues, but they won’t be good enough to take out the world army.

The shifting process has been in process for years. Militarizing police have all been part of it as well.


43 posted on 12/30/2011 9:34:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Forward the Light Brigade

P-51s are now historic museum pieces. The tooling is long gone. The Super Tucano is a good airplane for it’s projected tasking.
According to an article I saw on Air-Attack about a year ago, the Brazilians may now pony up and acquire the Super Hornet from M-D. I still have trouble using the B word with something built in St. Louis.
The final assembly line for the A-29 will be in Jacksonville, FL. Good place to live.


44 posted on 12/30/2011 9:36:11 PM PST by ksgoat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
All I'm saying is that our military acquisition process seems quite troubled.

The A-29 is roughly equivalent to the Spitfire (a damn fine plane). Now, the Spitfire was a peach of a plane -- over 70 years ago.
By comparison, how would you like to hit the beaches at Normany in 1944 using a rifle that was 70 years old -- perhaps a Civil War-era single shot musket? The Waffen SS would have loved to see you coming.

We like to think we are still cutting edge, but our military has been hollowed out, and we are now purchasing planes that are equivalent to stuff designed during the Great Depression.

Houston, we have a problem.


I'm not all that upset about it, I think it is a good idea, really. I'd like to see the cost come down a little more but I always thought we should have kept the A-1, or even P-47, in service for ground strike missions. IIRC, In Vietnam, the A-1 did manage to take on MiG-17's and I think even the MiG-21 and shot them down. IIRC, the P-47/P-51 held their own against the Me-262. There are really no obsolete weapons, only the thinking is obsolete, you might have to change tactics a bit. It would be wise to arm these plans with Sidewinders at least to deal with such threats.

Civil War Era weapons in World War II, a little out of their league but if I had to carry one, my vote would be for the Henry Rifle, upgraded to smokeless powder in a .44-40 caliber in it's most current form, at least you get 16 shots in a tubular magazine.

It's like the old 1958 Kurt Vonnegut story, "Manned Missiles" where both side in a war use such high tech weapons that things are fought to a stalemate and the idea is to go back to old-fashioned piloted planes and even manned "kamakaze" missiles to outsmart the computer guided weapons. I don't advocate the latters, but there are times the old "TV Trope" of "Rock Beats Laser" can and does work.
45 posted on 12/30/2011 9:37:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki
I think a more suitable comparison would be the OV-10

Or an A-1 "Spad"/"Sandy". Which, upgraded with a turbo prop and new avionics, would not a be a Bad Thing.

Or even an A-37, a strengthened and re-engined version of the T-37. Use new commercial engines and modern off the shelf avionics.


46 posted on 12/30/2011 9:37:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
Still, the A-10 is (I believe) cheaper than this little thing.

Two problems


47 posted on 12/30/2011 9:39:12 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: af_vet_rr
“L.A.S.” = a Fool's Mission.

A-10’s are tough as they can be. Redundant systems, twin turbofans protected by armor and twin-stabilizers, fully armored cockpit. And we still lost some in Iraq to ground fire, but that was sophisticated anti-aircraft fire.

The L.A.S. planes cannot stand up to any modern anti-aircraft fire or simple shoulder fired misssiles. They will be brought down by AK-47’s when attacking at low levels.

I pray no American boys will ever have to fight in them.

PS, I like the way they look. Their price is reasonable. They can haul a far amount of ordinance. They will do great in war games and practice. But, in hot conflict, they will prove to be death-traps.

P-47, Corsairs and A-1’s were all more battle hardened.
the radials could take some hits and get back. The pilots were well protected, too.

Oldplayer

48 posted on 12/30/2011 9:44:17 PM PST by oldplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: All

We should be using an AMERICAN Airplane.

http://www.802u.com/


49 posted on 12/30/2011 9:45:44 PM PST by troy McClure
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tucker39

P-51’s had thier place in Vietnam. These guys would be excellent over here.


50 posted on 12/30/2011 9:50:55 PM PST by D Rider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: D Rider

douglas skyraiders


51 posted on 12/30/2011 9:57:42 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

Now that is an UGLY aircraft (OV-10)!


52 posted on 12/30/2011 10:22:22 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

If it is used in low intensity environments, the biggest threats would be rifle fire and maybe man portable anti aircraft missiles. Countermeasures might provide some level of protection against missiles, but I would still be concerned about missions that would require flying low enough to get hit by a bunch of bad guys wildly shooting AK 47’s in the air. Maybe this plane has more of a stand off mission, but I still have questions about the ability of turboprops to withstand damage from 7.62mm fire.


53 posted on 12/30/2011 10:25:37 PM PST by yawningotter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygun

“Would’ve been cool to have an AK-47 back during the fall of the Roman Empire too, eh?”

Or like The Greaseman routines, “Back in time with an Uzi.”


54 posted on 12/30/2011 10:40:21 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Talisker

“Would have been nice to have these suckers in WWII.”

I assume you mean for the axis? They have just one 20mm cannon, and are utterly and hopelessly outclassed by any Mustang, Thunderbolt, Corsair or Hellcat. Likewise for anything the axis put up.
It is even much more lightly armed and much slower than a Wildcat, a P-40, or a P-39.

This thing is a joke. What we need are Warthogs.


55 posted on 12/30/2011 10:41:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

Why can’t the engine be placed in the rear with a swept blade propeller to reduce risk of the blades touching ground?


56 posted on 12/30/2011 10:43:39 PM PST by fso301
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygun

“Yep.

Would’ve been cool to have an AK-47 back during the fall of the Roman Empire too, eh?”

LOL, reminds me of the old SNL skit, “What if Napoleon had a B-52 at the battle of Waterloo?”


57 posted on 12/30/2011 10:48:20 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Forward the Light Brigade

“Why not use Mustangs—they would be cheaper.”

And faster, and more heavily armed too. The turboprop is easier maintenence, but this thing can only operate in a permissive air environment. (quite an assumption in an era of “Super” Hornets, F-35s, and around 100 F-22s.) While our fighter are good electronically and information wise, the fact is that they are slower, shorter legged, and less capable than anything we have ever built. They are much slower than most competitors.
And resting on electronics and stealth is idiotic. We are saddled with these dogs for 30 years. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will soon catch up in stealth and electronics, with much faster and longer ranged machines.


58 posted on 12/30/2011 10:49:50 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Tucker39

So your jet has eight rockets and there are 5,000 of these little bastards. What are you going to do?


59 posted on 12/30/2011 10:54:09 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: sukhoi-30mki

“it will operate in the low-threat counter insurgency role below the A-10 and has better endurance and lower operating costs than the latter.”

But it only carries 5 hardpoints lifting about 3000 lbs of weapons. It has no refueling capability, so that endurance will mean at least one is carrying fuel. Now he’s down to 4. The Warthog is 200mph faster, which if you are a grunt, matters greatly. It carries 11 hardpoints lifting 18,000 lbs. And the A-10 can refuel,, so it’s endurance is only limited by running out of weapons.

While it’s fine for third world countries to shoot at lightly armed rebels with, the Super Tucano is nothing the USA truly needs.


60 posted on 12/30/2011 11:00:34 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson