You certainly do have a way of mixing your envy with your "angst."
Posted on 12/28/2011 1:07:48 PM PST by angcat
The fire appears to have been caused by hot fireplace ashes and embers, which had been discarded," said Barry Callahan, the chief fire marshal in Stamford, Connecticut.
He said the fire that engulfed the large waterfront Victorian home was accidental, according to preliminary findings, but an investigating is ongoing.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
He said the fire that engulfed the large waterfront Victorian home was accidental, according to preliminary findings, but an investigating is ongoing.
I screwed this post up. I did not see anything on FR about this.
So sad!
I think the Boyfriend is a Putz.
This is an awful story. People move to Connecticut because they think they will be “safe” - but they aren’t. Another horrible murder happened in Cheshire where a woman and her two daughters were raped and murdered by two miscreants who are now on death row. Tragedy happens everywhere.
Her contractor boyfriend made a boneheaded decision, and now 5 people are dead
Two people made tragic mistakes, now the woman has to try and live with this the rest of her life
This is such an awful story
Almost identical story of loss in Australia, except the father survived,so far
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078785/Matt-Golinski-Celebrity-chef-fighting-life-house-killed-entire-family.html
why do you assume the boyfriend discarded the ashes improperly?
Good Lord another awful one.
I read he put them in a plastic bin or a paper bag. The story changed a few times.
>>People move to Connecticut because they think they will be “safe” - but they aren’t.
So house fires only happen in CT, is that the point of your post?
embers will do that... all...make sure it is out...
NO: the point of my Post is that they were living in East Village, for Christ sake, and were safer there than in ritzy Connecticut! Get a grip and read. The girls were also closer to their father in NYC. All that glitters is not gold. Also, the terrible Skakel/Kennedy murder took place in Greenwich. Wealthy Ct is a hotbed of “upscale” crime.
Quote from contractor: “We will get through this.” With such horrible tragedies, I don’t think you get “through this”.
Because the boyfriend said he did. He put them in “a bag” and left them leaning against the wall of the house.
He was also the contractor who was renovating the building, which did not have an occupancy permit or working smoke detectors.
The contractor/ family friend/ boyfriend is going to jail for a long time. He will not be “getting through this”.
Gross negligence with the ashes, no CO, no fire detectors, knowledge of the home’s balloon construction, five people dead yet he’s still alive... see ya.
What is “balloon construction” in a building?
I think there probably will be some negligence charges against him...if nothing else, his business is dead. He had built/renovated the homes of many well-known and wealthy NYers, such as Donna Karan, for example.
This was a terrible thing, and anything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong. The boyfriend said he had two of the girls by the hand and was getting them out when they slipped away from him (he has burns, so probably there was a blast of heat and he let go) and ran back up the stairs. I suspect it was because they heard their grandparents calling and looking for them, since the grandparents had been sleeping on the second floor and the kids had been on the third floor, and the grandparents didn’t know the kids had gotten downstairs and were looking for them. One of the little girls was found with her grandmother, between the first and second floors, and another was found on the second floor, while the one of them was found next to a window on a pile of books that her grandfather had set up to help her get out. He had gone out the window first on to a second story roof so he could help her out, but he died before he could get her.
A horrible, tragic story - and a reminder to go check your smoke detectors right now.
They were not his children or his parents. He may "get through this," but I pity that poor woman.
Balloon framing allows for fire to much more rapidly through a house.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(construction)#Balloon_framing
Correction: “to move much more rapidly through a house.”
My sister almost burned our lake property (and the neighbor’s as well) when she dumped the ashes from the barbeque grill into the woods. They were still hot from the dinner the night before (probably about 20+ hours).
Luckily it caught fire while she was still loading up her car and she was there to put it out. I use a couple of old metal cat-food cans, add some water, and sit for a week before I toss the ashes when I clean out the fireplace.
You certainly do have a way of mixing your envy with your "angst."
The contractor made multiple errors of both judgement and protocol. Because of those errors five people are dead.
I would hope he’d lose more than his business.
Get A GRIP! YOU COULD NOT PAY ME TO LIVE OVER THERE. I know all about what goes on in Greenwich although the locals would not like to admit it. Now, have a nice day.
however, I could never look that guy in the face again......let alone live with him....
this will haunt him for his entire life....
Imagine how the girls’ real father must feel.
As I understanad it - no firewalls between floors - found in older, not newer homes - creates a chimney like effect.
understanad = understand
I live near Greenwich. Greenwich is a very nice place. Lots of nice people there too.
"Know all about what goes on in Greenwich," do you?
Let's just put it to you this way: The thing most residents would likely be willing to admit is that no one has to pay them to live in Greenwich, though many who live there are certainly paid alot for what they do in their professions (so they can afford to live there), few if any have any regrets about living there, and that it is likely that someone like you couldn't afford to live there.
For all of what you think you know about what any "locals" would supposedly like or not like to admit, I have my doubts that you even know anyone from Greenwich, else you'd know better.
"Green" isn't a pretty trait.
That’s awful, they had and older child and twins too.
I don’t know how that Ct. woman is going to survive, mentally. She lost her children and her parents. On Christmas night.
If something like that happened to me you could find me UNDER the bed with a bottle of whiskey, that’s where I would be. I really don’t think I could handle it.
It’s not clear what cause the Australia fire, the article seems to mention an explosion, could it have been gas?
And what’s with the 1/2 hour wait for an ambulance?
“He put them in “a bag” and left them leaning against the wall of the house.”
Who does that? Why would anyone do that?
I grew up in an apartment in NYC and even I know not to do that.
Don’t people have metal boxes that they use for fireplace ashes? And why would you be rushing to clear out ashes from a fireplace anyway? Shouldn’t they just stay there for a long bit to burn out?
Who the hell doesn’t let the embers die overnight? And then he puts them in a bag?
Does anyone still get the wholec”ash can” thing any more?
Amen.....WHO does that??? Kids would probably know not to do that.
http://www.wcax.com/story/16398832/construction-worker-saves-burlington-family-from-fire
You are a real jerk! I know more about Greenwich than you think and it is not the little paradise you would like people to believe it is. You have turned an article about a terrible fire into a personal attack on me. Yes, I think you are GREEN with envy that some people know how to take care of themselves. I also think you lie.
latest quote from the Putz:
“We’re trying to stay positive”
positive about what? The fact she thought her humper went upstairs to get her kids out and he says they “slipped away” from him and ran back into the flames?
uh huh
he is worse than a putz, he is an asshole and most probably, a liar with no emotional investment in her family
and no conept of the horror of losing a child
There is NO POSITIVE
He never did go back to get those children did he? How evil is he? He lied and said they ran away from him.
You "think," you "think."
Actually, my brother was born in Greenwich at the time my dad was doing his residency at Greenwich Hospital. While we don't live there now we still have quite a number of friends who still live there. Still have cousins living in Riverside, just down Indian Field Road -- you know, where the yacht club is (or, then again, maybe you don't.)
I lived in Stamford on my own at one time as well, know Shippan Point neighborhood where this tragedy happened though I lived on Lawn Ave. (also on southeast side of Stamford) and off of Newfield Ave. (Northwest side) too.
As I said, I still live nearby (New Canaan, CT, not far from Ann Coulter, actually), and if you knew anything at all about Greenwich you wouldn't have written what you did. But I'll remind you that while the story was about somthing that happened in Stamford, it was you who took the story to Greenwich and it was in this context that your covetous side became rudely apparent.
Envy is a trait that will eat you from the inside out, Julie, dear. It starts with your brain, and typically moves to your heart in short order. Sadly in your case it appears to have progressed somewhat further.
You continue to prove your jerkiness. You made the comments about ME, which shows your ENVY. Green is not a color you should wear, dear.
Can you imagine how the father of the girls must feel? They were filing for a divorce. I will be he wishes the kids had stayed with him in NYC.
Greenwich in the past held the title of the “richest residents” in the country. I’m not sure if that is still the case. I know Hunterdon Counry NJ was in the running with them.
Hah, I lived on Sheephill road, Riverside years ago. Went to the Mead school at the Second Congregational Church of Greenwich. We’d play hide-and-seek in the church and auditorium after school, sit on the brick wall and drink our sodas while watching traffic, etc. Fun stuff.
Went back a year ago during a road trip. I was actually able to drive to our old house via I-95 from memory. Sheephill road was over-developed with little of what I remembered. I’ll stick with my memories.
Greenwich is a perfectly nice place. I grew up in NYC but I worked with many people who came down from there and they were all very nice. What’s with the Greenwich hatred? I don’t understand it.
Aside from that, I think the guy probably did try to go back to the girls and probably there was a blast of heat that drove them apart. Also, their grandparents were on another floor and were looking and calling for them, and I bet they ran to their grandparents (whom they knew and trusted better, because I don’t think the boyfriend had been around that long). In any case, who knows how any of us would have reacted?
It’s just a terrible, terrible thing, and all we should do is pray for everybody involved.
Greenwich hatred is easy to understand...there are a lot of freepers who show clear signs of class envy...depending on who makes the money.
This story is odd. Why would someone discard ashes after 3 AM? Anyone who has ever had a fireplace wouldn’t do that. They would wait until the next morning at least, and then place the ashes in a metal ash bucket that has a tight metal lid, which is usually kept on the hearth.
No telling who this ignorant boob is on this thread that has it so in for dumping on Greenwich, but lest one speak too hastily we should be reminded that the Bush family was originally from Greenwich (Sen. Prescott Bush - father of "41" and grandfather of "43") and the US Presidents-to-be grew up there as well.
JulieJ's perspective sounds more like they're just another envious little Democrat writing from some pustule of beggar-thy-neighbor unionism like Bridgeport or New Haven, or maybe from some impoverished little enclave for illegals next door in Port Chester, NY.
FReegards!
No telling who this ignorant boob is on this thread that has it so in for dumping on Greenwich, but lest one speak too hastily we should be reminded that the Bush family was originally from Greenwich (Sen. Prescott Bush - father of "41" and grandfather of "43") and the US Presidents-to-be grew up there as well.
JulieJ's perspective sounds more like they're just another envious little Democrat writing from some pustule of beggar-thy-neighbor unionism like Bridgeport or New Haven, or maybe from some impoverished little enclave for illegals next door in Port Chester, NY.
FReegards!
FReegards!
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