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Posted on 12/13/2011 9:49:31 PM PST by neverdem
The Missing Fast and Furious E-mails
The Department of Justice continues to conceal documents.
There was a time when opposing generals met before a battle. They’d exchange terms and gentlemanly propriety before trying to kill one another.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) might have fit into that age. He purposefully strode across a crowded House Judiciary Committee hearing room Thursday morning and held his hand out to Attorney General Eric Holder. The attorney general flinched when he noticed Issa suddenly so close before looking submissively down at the room’s blue carpet as he quickly took then let go of Issa’s hand.
Representative Issa walked back to the second row of two benches where committee members were taking their seats. Hours would pass before Issa would get his five minutes with Holder, but it was worth the wait.
Behind the seated congressmen and along the walls of the room congressional staffers — some of whom had nicknamed Holder “Withholder General” — were waiting to play their parts in the coming battle.
Issa, who also chairs the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has been leading the congressional charge to find out who authorized Operation Fast and Furious, a secret ATF program in which the Obama administration allowed guns to “walk” into Mexico and into the arsenals of Mexican drug cartels. He has complained of being lied to by the Obama administration. He and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have had to warn Obama administration officials not to retaliate against whistleblowers. And Issa has pointed out that many of the documents he’s received from the U.S. Department of Justice are so blacked out with redactions that personnel must have had to refill printer ink cartridges constantly to erase all the evidence.
Issa has a right to be incensed. Incredibly, just last week, the Obama administration even had to formally withdraw a letter it sent to Congress last February that falsely claimed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) didn’t watch guns “walk” into Mexico.
Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R., Wis.) brought up this withdrawn document.
Holder said, “First let me make something very clear, in response to an assertion you made, or hinted at: Nobody in the Justice Department has lied.”
Sensenbrenner demanded, “Then why was the letter withdrawn?”
Holder answered, “The letter was withdrawn because there was information in there that was inaccurate.”
So Sensenbrenner asked, “Tell me what the difference is between lying and misleading Congress in this context.”
Holder replied, “If you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind, and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that can be considered perjury or a lie.”
Despite the legal basis for his statement, the idea that the truth depends on your “state of mind” sounded so much like Pres. Bill Clinton’s semantics with the word “is” that the spectators — who sat quietly under the watchful eyes of United States Capitol Police — laughed.
As Issa sat waiting his turn, Rep. Dan Lungren (R., Calif.) wanted to know who authorized Operation Fast and Furious.
Holder said, “People in the criminal division of the Justice Department were aware of Fast and Furious. Who did it and who knows about it is being investigated by the inspector general.”
Lungren pressed further by saying, “You’re responsible for what these folks did. After all this time we still don’t know who . . . made the decisions.” Lungren then brought up a recent CBS report that covered an e-mail sent on July 14, 2010. After the operation, former ATF field operations assistant director Mark Chait e-mailed Bill Newell, then ATF’s Phoenix special agent in charge of Fast and Furious, to suggest a possible way to use Fast and Furious:
Bill — can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.
This “demand letter” refers to the push for a policy that would require U.S. gun shops in southwestern states to report the sale of several rifles or shotguns to a single buyer. According to CBS, “Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.”
Lungren pointed out that the Obama administration was attempting to use “this program as an excuse to broaden their control.”
Holder replied, “You’re taking that out of context.”
Lungren said, “No, we are not.”
Later in the exchange, Lungren asked, “The Justice Department creates the situation where thousands of weapons go south and use that as an excuse to have more gun-control regulations? You ought not to use your screw-up as a basis to expand your authority. Don’t use it as an excuse to expand your legislative agenda.”
All that was the preliminary bombardment before Issa’s planned assault. After hours of waiting, Issa leaned forward to speak into his microphone and began in part by asking, “Do I need to serve a subpoena on you . . . or will you come before my committee?”
After several exchanges, Holder said, “I will consider it.”
Meanwhile Issa’s staff had stacked boxes of papers on either side of the congressman. Issa later used them as a prop for a question: “Does it surprise you that five boxes are what one gun dealer gave us voluntarily while this is all you gave us?” Issa held up and shook a few files before continuing, “Do you have documents . . . that have not yet been granted?”
Holder didn’t answer the question; meanwhile, Issa focused his attack with the tone of voice a prosecutor might use with a hostile witness. “Don’t you think it is a little conspicuous that there is not one e-mail from or to you on Fast and Furious? . . . Isn’t it true that executive privilege does not include you?”
Holder answered, “We have not withheld any documents that are responsive. We have withheld information about ongoing investigations.”
Issa said, “That’s how John Mitchell responded.”
John Mitchell was attorney general under President Richard Nixon, and was found guilty of charges related to the Watergate break-in. He was sentenced to 19 months in prison.
Holder turned to Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith and said, “The reference to John Mitchell, let’s think about that. At some point, you know, as they said at the McCarthy hearings,” then he looked back at Issa he finished, “Have you no shame?”
Issa lashed back, “Have you no shame?”
During their verbal battle Issa accused Holder of being in “contempt” for refusing to turn over documents.
Holder replied, “We will respond in a way that is consistent with the way in which the Justice Department has always responded to those kinds of requests.”
Issa’s explosive five minutes were interrupted several times by Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D., Texas). She wanted Issa to give Holder more time to answer, but Issa said, “I only get five minutes,” and he’s “filibustering.” Finally Chairman Smith, had to tell Jackson-Lee she had not been recognized.
Though Issa’s time quickly ended, Holder’s e-mails were still the focus of the Republican member’s attention.
Later, Holder was asked if he authorized the IG investigation into Operation Fast and Furious. He said, “I was in fact the person who asked the IG to investigate, but I didn’t put anything in writing. I have a good relationship with the IG. I don’t think there’s any writing from me, but I can check.”
That was too cute.
Rep. Trent Franks (R., Ariz.) focused on the e-mails: “Mr. Issa mentioned some internal e-mails that I think are pretty important.”
Holder acknowledged during the hearing that he has an official e-mail address and a private one, but he wouldn’t say how often he uses these accounts. He also said he had not seen e-mails that were printed in a CBS report that argued new gun-control regulations might have been the reason for Operation Fast and Furious.
Moments later Franks said he understood that Holder doesn’t read all the memos his staff sends to his desk, and Holder seemed to agree with this. Then Franks asked, “Do you read letters from Grassley and Issa?”
After a pause, Holder said, “I think it’s fair to say over the last few months I’ve read all of Issa’s and Grassley’s letters.”
This also drew a laugh from the spectators, but it was really a set-up.
Representative Franks next said, “Mr. Holder, these e-mails were attached to one of those letters.”
Holder tossed his head and replied that he “doesn’t always read attachments.”
The next congressman to continue the push for Holder’s e-mails was Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R., Utah): “Have you spoken with [Secretary of Homeland Security Janet] Napolitano, [Secretary of State] Hillary Clinton, [President Barack] Obama, the president of Mexico . . . about Operation Fast and Furious?”
Holder indicated he hadn’t.
Chaffetz said, “We have 50 members of Congress calling for your resignation . . . you took five days to go to the Caribbean, and you didn’t take five minutes to talk to Hillary or Napolitano?”
Holder responded that his staff has been in touch with them.
Chaffetz then asked about a joint task force Holder has with Napolitano and added, “Yet you never talked about Fast and Furious?”
Holder responded in part by saying, “Let me tell you how Washington works, okay . . . ” This drew another laugh.
In the end this seven-hour hearing — interrupted twice for congressmen to run to the floor for votes — didn’t have any smashing developments. A government-created gunrunning operation that has already gotten at least one U.S. Border Patrol agent killed and that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans was exposed nearly a year ago.
The investigation into who authorized it has been going since at least late last spring, yet no one has been fired or jailed. Now the attorney general gives the unmistakable impression of obfuscating and hiding his own involvement (his e-mails) behind the cloak of an inspector general’s investigation. Somehow it doesn’t now seem hyperbolic to compare Holder’s withheld e-mails to the tapes President Nixon famously kept.
Good article...as far as it goes. Why he didn’t continue with Rep. Sandy Adams is beyond me (perhaps a word-count restraint). Nevertheless, it picks up a few points others have missed.
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No wonder WithHolder is Zero’s dude - they’re totally on the same page as far as being 100% okay to lying. Shameless treacherous liars. I take comfort knowing Justice will be done, ultimately, but damn it’s hard to take all this lying to our faces.
God save us from our government!
Holder answered this question from the point of view of the perjurer. However there is another side, the view of the receivers of the information. From their viewpoint the information is wrong regardless of the intention of the Attorney General and he had a year to make sure it was right and didn't bother.
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Why all the games?
The answer is very simple but Americans are apparently too brainwashed to conclude this is Obama's Watergate. The truth is so damning that the pawns will do anything to protect the lying king!
Or ... more likely ... arrested. (or a visit from a buncha guys in suits and sunglasses)
“God save us from our government!”
Amen. I believe that asking God’s help is KEY.
....but I also believe that we need to repent for ignoring God and HIS ways for FAR too long.
“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14
Sometimes, in history, that type of repentance only comes about after great suffering. ;-(
Obama is an idiot not to ask Holder to resign now. This is going to be boiling over in six months and up until the election. It could even wind up with Obama's impeachment or resignation.
Hundreds of people were not murdered at the Watergate.
Imagine if this occured under the watch of Gonzales or Ashcroft!
The private one was reported to be a g mail account. One only wonders how many g mail accounts does he have? They are off the books so to speak ans perhaps even unaccessable by the congress.
One also wonders about the legality of transacting government business off the .gov email system. One wonders about security if it is a wide spread practice to hide stuff not wanted on the record.
In his private Gmail account which he probably deleted. Unfortunately for Holder, you can never really delete email forever. As one professor lecturing on the topic of law stated, the "e" in "email" doesn't stand for "electronic." It stands for "Evidence."
Didnt the pukes get copies of ALL of Sarah’s emails , personal ones as well ?
In that case, let's hope these buggers keep up their unraveling web of deception for a good long while.
Watergate was a long time ago and most Americans are unaware of the details.
The true difference is, in those days the media were the Hounds Of Hell after Nixon's scalp. Today, they are the lapdogs of Obama and the DNC. Granted, they've hardly changed their political location in 35 years and they are almost totally ignoring this blockbuster story.
No surprise here. They are willing accomplices, aiders and abettors of Obama and Holder's criminality and corruption. Nothing has changed in the mainstream media - and nothing will. They are still the enemy of our Constitution and a free American people.