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SWAT team's shooting of Marine causes outrage [Jose Guerena Ortiz]
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 11/27/11 | AMANDA LEE MYERS

Posted on 11/27/2011 2:17:58 PM PST by Slings and Arrows

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.

An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood — until an armored vehicle pulled into the family's driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.

They were a sheriff's department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a "boom" and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.

A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun — an AR-15 assault rifle.

What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.

The officers — four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 — moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.

And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20-feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: ortiz; policestate; prepare; socialism; starvethebeast; swatteam
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Better late than never, I suppose.
1 posted on 11/27/2011 2:17:59 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

Why arrest him in his home? Why not at work, with a couple of detectives and handcuffs?

This is misuse of SWAT.

I have a solution to misuse of SWAT:

Each time it happens, fire the Chief of Police (or County Sheriff, whichever applies) and start over.

See how many times that’s done before they start using SWAT “only when really necessary”.

And BTW, I know it doesn’t apply in this case, but add this to the “misuse clause”: Got the wrong house.

Got the wrong house? — Fire the top man.
Used SWAT when a simple arrest would do? — Fire the top man.
Any other misuse of SWAT? — Fire the top man.


2 posted on 11/27/2011 2:33:22 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Slings and Arrows
The SWAT Team is question was under the command of Clarence “The Clown” Dupnik.
3 posted on 11/27/2011 2:38:23 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Slings and Arrows

Heads had better roll for this s**t.....but of course they won’t.


4 posted on 11/27/2011 2:46:55 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Slings and Arrows
Maybe it's just me, but some of the "evidence" seems awfully dubious. He was stopped (a passenger) in a truck and there were commercial-size rolls of plastic wrap in the truck. It "can be" used to wrap marijuana for sale. If I'm not mistaken, it is sold places like Sam's and also "can be" used to cover food!

He "met with" someone who had just dropped off drugs in another location. I don't know about the rest of y'all on FR, but I can't absolutely vouch for every friend, acquaintance, and relative I have. It's possible that if I "meet with" them someplace, they have just left someplace else where they were participating in an illegal activity. If I accept a ride with one of them, I might also be, unknowingly, in the presence of contraband.

I'm betting there is still more to this story than they're telling.

5 posted on 11/27/2011 2:53:50 PM PST by susannah59
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To: Slings and Arrows

Horrible business. And Dupnik is a corrupt liberal idiot, as we saw with the Gabrielle Giffords business. But he comes from a corrupt, liberal city, where he has been repeatedly re-elected for some 35 years.

If this article is accurate, then they found absolutely no evidence at all of drug smuggling in the home. And they have no evidence whatever that Ortiz was involved with marijuana.

His cousin was evidently a user, and POSSIBLY his brother is a smuggler. Or possibly not, given who is making this case. So, why didn’t they go after his brother, if they have information against him?


6 posted on 11/27/2011 3:16:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Even if Ortiz was everything they said he was, because he had a regular job, the man had a schedule. It would have been easy to figure out when they could have picked him up with a carload of drugs or when he was with his homies.

It was obvious to me, by the lack of evidence, that the man was not using his home as a dropoff point, therefore there was nothing to gain from invading his home.


7 posted on 11/27/2011 3:25:09 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Cicero

Even if Ortiz was everything they said he was, because he had a regular job, the man had a schedule. It would have been easy to figure out when they could have picked him up with a carload of drugs or when he was with his homies.

It was obvious to me, by the lack of evidence, that the man was not using his home as a dropoff point, therefore there was nothing to gain from invading his home.


8 posted on 11/27/2011 3:25:19 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Cicero

Even if Ortiz was everything they said he was, because he had a regular job, the man had a schedule. It would have been easy to figure out when they could have picked him up with a carload of drugs or when he was with his homies.

It was obvious to me, by the lack of evidence, that the man was not using his home as a dropoff point, therefore there was nothing to gain from invading his home.


9 posted on 11/27/2011 3:25:59 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Cicero

Even if Ortiz was everything they said he was, because he had a regular job, the man had a schedule. It would have been easy to figure out when they could have picked him up with a carload of drugs or when he was with his homies.

It was obvious to me, by the lack of evidence, that the man was not using his home as a dropoff point, therefore there was nothing to gain from invading his home.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 3:26:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Jonty30

You can say that again x 4!


11 posted on 11/27/2011 3:58:06 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I kept getting a service unavailable on my Blackberry.

When it finally posted, four times!


12 posted on 11/27/2011 4:03:25 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: susannah59
Maybe it's just me, but some of the "evidence" seems awfully dubious.

Yep, and I like the paragraph that read..."Sheriff's Capt. Chris Nanos...said that high-powered rifles and bulletproof vests that were found in Guerena's home after the shooting back up investigators' belief that Guerena was involved in drug trafficking."

That's a dead giveaway, fer sure. No doubt, that would make a lot of Freepers "drug traffikers, too...".

13 posted on 11/27/2011 4:14:32 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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14 posted on 11/27/2011 4:16:48 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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15 posted on 11/27/2011 4:16:50 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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16 posted on 11/27/2011 4:16:52 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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17 posted on 11/27/2011 4:16:52 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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18 posted on 11/27/2011 4:17:15 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Jack Hydrazine

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19 posted on 11/27/2011 4:17:41 PM PST by goat granny
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To: samtheman

And cut off all federal funding to the local agency for five years.


20 posted on 11/27/2011 4:39:35 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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