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Cain and the black vote: wishful thinking (Blacks give Obama 91% approval rating today)
The Washington Post ^ | 11-22-2011 | Jonathan Capehart

Posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:13 AM PST by TitansAFC

Herman Cain is at it again, making bold pronouncements that fly in the face of actual evidence to the contrary. This time in a seven-page mailer to Iowa Republicans, the flagging Republican front-runner lists a few reasons why he says he can win the GOP nomination for president.....

...It’s that kind of delusional talk that reinforces the image I conjured up last week of Cain running for president of the Land of Make-Believe. Only there could he hope to surpass, let alone replicate, President Eisenhower’s remarkable (by today’s standards) electoral success with African Americans.

Keep something in mind about that 41 percent of blacks who cast a vote for Eisenhower. That’s 41 percent of blacks who COULD vote in 1956. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 did away with the discriminatory laws that blocked many African Americans from exercising their right to vote.

And then there’s this. On Sunday, The Post’s Chris Cillizza (a.k.a. The Fix) penned an article about how “President Obama’s base of support remains solid heading into 2012.” Here are the three paragraphs that punch holes in Cain’s argument that he “can lead the Republican party to victory” with a large share of black votes.

At the heart of the president’s enduring strength among his base are African Americans who have never wavered in any meaningful way after 95 percent of black voters opted for the Illinois senator in 2008. In Gallup’s latest weekly tracking polling, Obama’s job approval rating stands at 43 percent among the general public but is nearly double that — 84 percent —among African Americans. In the November NBC-WSJ poll, Obama’s approval rating among black voters stood at a stratospheric 91 percent....

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KEYWORDS: 2012; cain; gop; hermancain; obama
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1 posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:23 AM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

This is frustrating, to say the least, but a sad reality.

Obama will retain 95%+ of the black vote no matter who we nominate.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 10:34:24 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: TitansAFC

It’s a sad commentary on the average black voter but they are just democrat/obama to the core.

Cain’s wife will probably vote for Obama. She might vote for her husband but if he doesn’t make it, I’ll bet she and 99% of Cain’s fellow church members will vote Obama.

And there doesn’t seem to be a darn thing we can do about it. They just don’t get it.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 10:39:16 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: TitansAFC

http://www.ask8ball.net/


4 posted on 11/25/2011 10:39:21 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: TitansAFC

People who have something to say should say it and not send us off on a wild link chase.

Nobody goes.


5 posted on 11/25/2011 10:40:35 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: TitansAFC

There are no words in the English language that can describe this condition.


6 posted on 11/25/2011 10:41:20 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: TitansAFC

A negative post about Cain by TitansAFC. As Gomer Pyle used to say, ‘Surprise, surprise, surprise.’


7 posted on 11/25/2011 10:41:50 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: altura

As I said, this is so damn frustrating that I cannot muster words to adequate describe how I feel.

How on EARTH does ANY demographic of ANY kind vote so homogenously? It’s a statistical impossibility, yet it happens EVERY election! GRrrrrr....


8 posted on 11/25/2011 10:41:50 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: bwc2221

Not about Herman Cain; or rather, he is an ancillary character in this thread.

This is about the black vote and it’s inexplicable homogenousy.


9 posted on 11/25/2011 10:43:02 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: TitansAFC

No surprise there. But Obama (and MSNBC) has to get them enthused enough to vote.

However if the GOP ran a black FULL AMERICAN who happens to be conservative against a half-black half-African loser like Obama, we would have an interesting race. What would hispanics do of a Cain nominee kept telling them how Cain failed them? I cant imagine they would trust Romney or Newt.


10 posted on 11/25/2011 10:46:14 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: TitansAFC
At the heart of the president’s enduring strength among his base are African Americans who have never wavered in any meaningful way after 95 percent of black voters opted for the Illinois senator in 2008.

Sometimes I think its because to not be for Obama would indirectly mean they'd have to take a stand against their own who are living off the government and that would meann they'd have to take care of their indigent families...which would affect their own lifestyles....and that's not just for the black population either...but all those who voted for Obama and his handouts.

11 posted on 11/25/2011 10:46:30 AM PST by caww
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To: TitansAFC

A large percentage of jews also support Obama.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2126090/posts


12 posted on 11/25/2011 10:47:30 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: TitansAFC
Not about Herman Cain; or rather, he is an ancillary character in this thread.

I often regard the back of the hand as ancillary.

13 posted on 11/25/2011 10:48:27 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: TitansAFC

OK , I screwed that one up, try:

However if the GOP ran a black FULL AMERICAN who happens to be conservative against a half-black half-African loser like Obama, we would have an interesting race. What would hispanics do if a Cain nominee kept telling them how Obama failed them? I cant imagine they would trust Romney or Newt.


14 posted on 11/25/2011 10:48:37 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs

To be honest, if we are looking to bring new voters in, we should do it in the Veep slot, no matter who we nominate. We should also focus on demographics that can be swayed to vote differently to some degree (Latinos, Women, et al).

We’re not getting more of the black vote, and it’s certainly not going to happen with Obama on the ballot.


15 posted on 11/25/2011 10:48:37 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: TitansAFC

Stupid is as stupid does.

We are talking about a people who actually willingly dress like prison inmates...

Rappers...

I mean, come on...


16 posted on 11/25/2011 10:52:35 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: TitansAFC
RE :”We’re not getting more of the black vote, ..

Conservatives will never get that vote. Blacks are looking for a FDR/JFK/LBJ expand Federal government type.

But they could repress that vote by going negative on Obama in their areas. Cain is a good person to do that.

17 posted on 11/25/2011 10:55:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: caww

That sounds logical.


18 posted on 11/25/2011 10:56:49 AM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: TitansAFC

I’ve read stories saying quite the opposite.


19 posted on 11/25/2011 10:57:26 AM PST by bigbob
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To: altura

The chances of Mrs. Cain facing an Obama vs. Cain ballot are very slim. I fully expect for her to vote for Barry once again.


20 posted on 11/25/2011 10:58:38 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TitansAFC

Have been saying that from the beginning. Obama would love to have Cain has an opponent. Anyone else will beat Obama.


21 posted on 11/25/2011 11:01:20 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: TitansAFC

The VP slot generally does a very poor job of pulling in new voters. (Palin may be the exception that proved the rule.) And that’s usually how even something as positive as a Reagan Revolution gets diluted by the follow-on of Bushian big government.


22 posted on 11/25/2011 11:02:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TitansAFC
Obama’s job approval rating stands at 43 percent among the general public but is nearly double that — 84 percent

Here are some other numbers: On Jan. 1, 2009, the national black unemployment rate was 12.6 percent. When President Barack Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act a little over six weeks later, the black unemployment rate was 13.4 percent. As of 9/1/2011 it was 16%.

He is an awesome president if you're on welfare, though. If Cain can't attract the black vote, it's either because blacks are stupid or they're on welfare. Is that what Mr. Capehart would have us believe?

23 posted on 11/25/2011 11:02:22 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: TitansAFC

Lets stop with the “lots of blacks will vote for Cain because he’s black” thing. Many don’t directly say it, but underpinning Herman’s campaign is some conservative belief in this nonsense.

90-95% of blacks are going to vote for Obama just like they did last time around. Blacks may be utterly ignorant, but they aren’t stupid. They vote for Democrats because they support transfer payments, government favoritism and other freebies. At the heart of voting Democrat is the idea they are being put upon by the rest of society and deserve special government treatment to make things fair. Cain preaches the opposite and will not win their support. Blacks consider Cain a race traitor. Listen to black radio sometime to get an understanding of how much they detest Cain and people like him. We are going to get the same tiny percentage of the black vote no matter which Republican wins the nomination. I think it is even arguable we’d get LESS black votes if Cain was our candidate. Blacks are liable to resent having one of their own tell them the truth, which will make Obama’s pitch even more attractive to them.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:25 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Soothesayer9

That, too is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:55 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: TitansAFC
This is frustrating, to say the least, but a sad reality.

Obama will retain 95%+ of the black vote no matter who we nominate.


Yes, I've said this time and again. The black voter has sold his soul to the Democrats and the modern welfare state. This is the major obstacle to many as they try to advance economically.

The black voter will push the D-button no matter what. Obama got just over 43% of the white vote in 2008. If a Republican presidential candidate could get just 25% of the black vote, they could be assured of the election victory. This is due to the face that blacks represent the "swing" vote in a number of important states.

We could have 40% unemployment, 50% inflation, bread and soup lines (we already have a few), power blackouts & brownouts (again we already have a few) and over 90% of blacks are gonna vote Democratic (any Democrat) and with Obama running it's gonna be close to 95% of the vote.

If anyone doubts this look at the situation in Washington D.C. with Marion Berry. I need say no more.
26 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:55 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: TitansAFC

Looks like the Newt Cult is in full scale panic mode. Unable to make a rational response to Newt stepping in it on Immigration, they resort to their standard SOP, personal attack, obfuscation and diversion.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 11:04:05 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: TitansAFC
How on EARTH does ANY demographic of ANY kind vote so homogenously?

Its called Racism.

See the elephant in the room yet? - the one that will destroy us?

The only race where racism is not allowed is the White race.

Everyone else applaudes racism, either unabashedly open, or under a different euphemism such as "pride."

Hispanics are pretty solid with La Raza. - The Race.

Would you say that Eric Holder is not an open racist?

28 posted on 11/25/2011 11:04:22 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Baynative
There are no words in the English language that can describe this condition.

Sure there is. It's unabated tribalism, along with deep distrust and frequently hatred toward those outside the tribe. Cain, just as an example, is a tribal outcast.
29 posted on 11/25/2011 11:08:19 AM PST by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Palin actually brought a chunk of female voters, but Obama brought more youth and black turnout than we could match.

Lieberman brought a lot of Jewish Republicans to the Democrat column in the 2000 election.

You can make a difference there, but you have to choose wisely and choose movable demographics.


30 posted on 11/25/2011 11:09:15 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: throwback
If Cain can't attract the black vote, it's either because blacks are stupid or they're on welfare. Is that what Mr. Capehart would have us believe?

And what would you have us believe? That Cain is uniquely suited to attract black votes because he's black? Wouldn't they be equally stupid for voting for a candidate only because he is of the same skin color?

Blacks vote Democrat because they want to continue believing the sorry state of their communities is other peoples fault. That is the Democratic message and it is extremely appealing to them. Blacks believe they are owed something, they believe in transfer payments, they believe in government preference, they believe in MORE affirmative action. There is absolutely no evidence available, polling or otherwise, that blacks have had a chance in heart. Cain would do just as bad among blacks as any other potential Republican nominee. This Cain campaign message that he can win 30% of the black vote is utterly ridiculous.

31 posted on 11/25/2011 11:10:51 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: TitansAFC
For most blacks, black skin trumps all else.

Legitimate criticism of Obama just strengthens his black solidarity and support.

Most blacks pay no attention to the facts or validity of criticism directed at Obama or his policies.

It is easier and more self-serving to just view it as racism.


32 posted on 11/25/2011 11:13:17 AM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: Longbow1969
...They (Blacks) vote for Democrats because they support transfer payments, government favoritism and other freebies. At the heart of voting Democrat is the idea they are being put upon by the rest of society and deserve special government treatment to make things fair. Cain preaches the opposite and will not win their support. Blacks consider Cain a race traitor...

Longbow, You hit the bulls-eye.

I said pretty much the same thing in my previous comment though I didn't put it as well as you did. It will take a generational change(if ever) in the mindset of blacks before we see any change in this.

Again
At the heart of voting Democrat(Black) is the idea they are being put upon by the rest of society and deserve special government treatment to make things fair.

White Democrats know and understand this very well and they (and their allies in the MSM) will milk this for all it's worth.
33 posted on 11/25/2011 11:14:34 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: TitansAFC

WaPo polls are always so accurate.

Pray for America


34 posted on 11/25/2011 11:15:25 AM PST by bray (Take the Cain Train off the Plantation)
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To: TitansAFC

Negrodamus was elected BECAUSE he was black.. ONLY because he was black...
If the black vote is not racist I don’t know what is..

Most all democrats and not a few republican women voted for Negrodamus..
He got the racist vote..

Literally the ONLY vetting of Negrodamus that happened was from the ranks of republican MEN(mostly).. not all republican women but still many of them.. were hornswoggled by Negrodamus.. the republican “blond” vote.. You know compassionate pseudo-conservatives..

This time I’m looking for the meanest SOB in the election cycle..
Which of course would be... Newt “the Devil” Gingrich...
Old Slewfoot, “Satan”.. Damocles.. Old Silver Tongue..

I want a contest between Negrodamus vs. Groinodamus..


35 posted on 11/25/2011 11:15:34 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: TitansAFC

Well, there are lies, statistics and polls. Take your pick, but consider the source.


36 posted on 11/25/2011 11:22:15 AM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: TitansAFC

Obama could borrow David Duke`s Grand Wizard garb, give a speech on how he perceived black voters to be slaves on the democrat plantation, and still get more than 90% of the black vote.


37 posted on 11/25/2011 11:25:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: TitansAFC
Obama will retain 95%+ of the black vote no matter who we nominate.

We will have to wait and see what actually happens if Herman Cain is our nominee, but I would be very surprised if he didn't get significantly more than 5% of the black vote.

Many blacks are devout Christians, many oppose abortion, many oppose gay marriage, and many are concerned about the rates of welfare dependency, criminality and out-of-wedlock childbirth among young blacks. What do Obama and the 'Rats offer blacks who hold these values?

Herman Cain is an honest, intelligent, hard-working, devout man who has made his own way through this world. He is a role model for all Americans.

Obama is a corrupt, incompetent punk and a charlatan.

Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.

38 posted on 11/25/2011 11:26:01 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: TitansAFC
Post 30 is total made up in your mind bs, nothing more. So stop making up facts and stick to the truth. But you are in full panic mode over the coming newt slide. Poor thing.

To think you have some mystic link into what black people will do over voting for Cain is ignorance, but the fact is if he peeled 5% of the black vote, obummer would lose bigger than moon-dale. If he lost 5 % of the vote and 5% stay home, he does not win in any of the 57 States.

39 posted on 11/25/2011 11:29:59 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: rogue yam

“Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.”

The 5% of Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.

There...fixed it for you.


40 posted on 11/25/2011 11:35:02 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Longbow1969

I think the truth delivered by somebody who has gone through the same experiences as the audience he’s addressing can have an effect that the same truth delivered by someone who hasn’t had those experiences cannot. He is uniquely suited because he experienced discrimination and yet chose to spend his life overcoming the odds instead of complaining about them. I’m not a Cain supporter, but his advantage with black audiences is obvious.


41 posted on 11/25/2011 11:36:45 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: TitansAFC
Obama will retain 95%+ of the black vote no matter who we nominate.

Which in effect makes them a non-issue.

The census states that Black/African-American people make up 12.1 to 12.6% of the populace.
In contrast, whites make up 69% of the population.

Voter turn out to oppose Obama will be key. If it is a given that 12% of voters will vote for Obama because he is Black, then the other demographics who oppose him MUST get out and vote. Then color will not be an issue.

42 posted on 11/25/2011 11:42:05 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: TitansAFC

Of course, there aren’t a lot of Jewish Republicans to begin with, but Bush got a higher % of the Jewish vote in 2000 than the GOP had had in 1992 or 1996:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

(Even after 9/11, Bush only moved up from 19% to 24% of the Jewish vote in 2004.)


44 posted on 11/25/2011 11:46:06 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TitansAFC

If anything, Cain will cause more hate amongst plantation blacks. The voting block that Cain can cut into is the white-guilt crowd. They will be looking for a way to vote against Obama while keeping true to their white-guilt values.


45 posted on 11/25/2011 11:49:36 AM PST by pallis
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To: TitansAFC

Cain presents an interesting paradox for black voters. Going up against Obama, Cain would certainly lose. But if the Democrats ditch Obama, Cain as a presidential or VP candidate would split the black vote.

That could win the presidency, and since the Republicans are likely to keep the House and recapture the Senate, being heavily favored in the election for the latter, whoever the Republican candidate would be able to start from a position of impressive power.

As did W. Bush, but hopefully not to squander it like he did. This is why it is especially important for conservatives to kick out as many of the remaining RINOs we can, as they will be by far the biggest obstacle to the conservative agenda.


46 posted on 11/25/2011 12:00:59 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: altura
And there doesn’t seem to be a darn thing we can do about it. They just don’t get it.

They get it.

They're just racists.

47 posted on 11/25/2011 12:02:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: TitansAFC

Blacks just love being on the democRat plantation. They are, in my experience, the biggest racists on the block, too boot.


48 posted on 11/25/2011 12:07:38 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: org.whodat
"To think you have some mystic link into what black people will do over voting for Cain is ignorance, but the fact is if he peeled 5% of the black vote, obummer would lose bigger than moon-dale. If he lost 5 % of the vote and 5% stay home, he does not win in any of the 57 States."

I think Cain can substanially reduce the black vote for Obama. He is still not very likely to get more than 10% of the black vote, but he could reduce the black turnout. What has Obama got to run on - his record? I don't think so. One of the few arrows he has in his quiver is that "whitey" is trying to defeat him because he is black. Even the leftist media is going to have trouble putting that over if the republican nominee is black.

When Obama ran, here in Maryland it was much remarked on that many blacks were voting for the first time because they wanted to finally have a black president. When random black voters were interviewed, they had no idea of what Obama's stands on the issues were - they were voting for a "black president". Now, the only way to get those same voters out again (now that they have finally had their black president) is to convince them that Obama might not get re-elected "because he is black". I think Cain would take the wind out of that sail.

Where I expect Cain would really pick up votes though is from sufferers of "white guilt" - it seems like a sizable portion of republican women voted for Obama and I think a major factor was so they could "prove" they weren't racists. Cain would take that out of play, and they might actually vote on the issues.

However, the continuing homogenous quality of the black vote continues to amaze me. More and more blacks are moving up in the world, moving into professional jobs and opening their own businesses. Why that portion of the black community still votes for democrats in such overwhelming majorities is just beyond my comprehension.

49 posted on 11/25/2011 12:07:57 PM PST by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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To: TitansAFC
How on EARTH does ANY demographic of ANY kind vote so homogenously? It’s a statistical impossibility, yet it happens EVERY election! GRrrrrr....

Obviously, you are racist for noticing < /s>

Whenever you rob Peter to pay Paul, you are going to be assured of Paul's vote in the next election.

50 posted on 11/25/2011 12:08:04 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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