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Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney seesaw in South Carolina, New Hampshire polls
Politico ^ | 11/22/2011 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 11/22/2011 12:12:05 PM PST by TBBT

There's no doubt the Newt Gingrich surge is real, and it's apparently spreading to South Carolina - with new private polling showing the former House Speaker leading Mitt Romney and Herman Cain, another southerner, by a 2-to-1 margin. Continue Reading

The numbers from Kellyanne Conway's Polling Company show Gingrich getting 31 percent, while Cain gets 17 percent and Romney gets 16 percent. No other hopeful cracked double digits (Rick Perry was the closest, with 6 percent).

In the second-choice balloting there, Gingrich did best, 22 percent to Cain's 18 percent, and Romney's 16 percent. Perry is in fourth place, at 12 percent, among "second choices."

In New Hampshire, the situation is flipped - Romney getes 35 percent, with 20 percent of that support a hard "yes."

Gingrich places second there, with 18 percent, and Ron Paul is in third place at 10 percent. Huntsman is at 9 percent, Cain 8 percent, Perry and Michele Bachmann both get 4 percent, and Rick Santorum gets 2 percent.

In second-place balloting in New Hampshire, Gingrich and Romney are essentially tied - 22 percent for the former House Speaker and 21 percent for the former neighbor-state governor. No other candidate broke 10 percent on the second-choice question.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mittromney; newhampshire; newtgingrich; poll; southcarolina
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Perception is reality...
1 posted on 11/22/2011 12:12:07 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Geezus. If Romney or Newbie is the only two left standing, then I guess I am missing the election. I have NOTHING for either of them, they don’t believe in anything that I believe in, both are RINOs in my opinion, Newbie has tons of baggage WHICH the leftist MSM will blast the airways with this garbage if he is the one. You will hear daily about his baggage. The message will be totally lost. And I refuse, flat refuse to vote for Romney. PERIOD.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 12:17:15 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: TBBT
Yes, when you buy a poll you should get the results you pay for, I remember the Wilson poll for perry that had him winning Iowa. Where is that poll today.
3 posted on 11/22/2011 12:17:20 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: TBBT

Who is Kellyanne Conway?


4 posted on 11/22/2011 12:24:33 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: TBBT
No, just another no name polling group trying to make perception reality. Apparently Newt is spending his money buying polls

Talk about push polling. According to this not only is Newt the break away front runner, he is also the favorite "2nd choice" of the same people who picked him as their 1st choice.

The numbers from Kellyanne Conway's Polling Company show Gingrich getting 31 percent, while Cain gets 17 percent and Romney gets 16 percent. No other hopeful cracked double digits (Rick Perry was the closest, with 6 percent).

In the second-choice balloting there, Gingrich did best, 22 percent to Cain's 18 percent, and Romney's 16 percent. Perry is in fourth place, at 12 percent, among "second choices."

5 posted on 11/22/2011 12:27:26 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: RetiredArmy

Good. Just stay home then.


6 posted on 11/22/2011 12:27:54 PM PST by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: fatnotlazy
She's a Republican Pollster.

Which tells me that this is paid for by a campaign.

7 posted on 11/22/2011 12:28:06 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: RetiredArmy
I agree with you. Actually, I think Romney is a BETTER choice than Gingrich. On the issues, they are indistinguishable. Romney is just as good a debater, and has less personal baggage to answer for.
8 posted on 11/22/2011 12:30:59 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: nikos1121

With those two choices, there will be a lot of people writing in or staying home.


9 posted on 11/22/2011 12:31:43 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: Ingtar

“With those two choices, there will be a lot of people writing in or staying home”. Sharp move. Another reason why the pubs truly are the stupid party.


10 posted on 11/22/2011 12:44:45 PM PST by fantom (,)
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To: TBBT

Mitt the stuttering boob against Newt, the most clear-spoken candidate.


11 posted on 11/22/2011 12:45:47 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Huck; Impy; Clintonfatigued; All
>> Actually, I think Romney is a BETTER choice than Gingrich. On the issues, they are indistinguishable. Romney is just as good a debater, and has less personal baggage to answer for. <<

I'm probably in the minority on FR, but I agree with you and rank Newt below Romney. They're both RINO sellouts who know how to talk conservative but suck up to liberals and would drive over their own grandma to get votes. The main difference is Romney is much more personable and has far less scandals. Voters can't stand Newt regardless of how effective he is at debating. Pretty much if we nominate Newt, we guarantee Obama a second term.

12 posted on 11/22/2011 12:53:12 PM PST by BillyBoy (Rick Perry, the governor with a heart... for illegal aliens.)
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To: TBBT

I can’t believe we are about to nominate Newt fricking Gingrich and he is probably the best choice. I will need to be convinced not to either sit this one out or vote for a 3rd party. I am sure as heck not excited.


13 posted on 11/22/2011 1:01:33 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: TBBT

“There’s no doubt the Newt Gingrich surge is real, and it’s apparently spreading to South Carolina - with new private polling showing the former House Speaker leading Mitt Romney and Herman Cain, another southerner, by a 2-to-1 margin.”


Thing are looking good, very good.

I’m looking forward to poll updates, now that Huckabee has decided that he wants to be Romney’s little friend.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 1:05:13 PM PST by Gator113 (`)
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To: wolfman23601
What you are seeing is the whipsawing of conservatives to ANYONE but Romney. First it was Perry, then it was Cain, now it's Newt.

Personally, I think Newt is miles ahead of Romney, who would be my vote only as the last man on my side of the ticket. ABR, but after that, it's ABO. And, yes, that includes Newt.

Judging by anti-Obama gear sales, I don't think any Republican will lose to the tyrant.

15 posted on 11/22/2011 1:19:35 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Huck

You mean other than Obama thanking Mitt for Romneycare as the blueprint for Obamacare ... nah, that will never come up in the campaign.

BTW, Mittens is NOT a good debater (go back to 2008 for proof). He is the only candidate that has gotten the velvet glove treatment from the press so far, which is why he appears to be “good”. Thing about the velvet glove is, it is removed in the general election. Newt has already shown he can battle the “iron fist” ... Mittens has not.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 1:26:12 PM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: TBBT

I predict that Newt will stumble on cue.


17 posted on 11/22/2011 1:28:48 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RainMan

No MITTENS!!!!


18 posted on 11/22/2011 1:30:40 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: LS
Judging by anti-Obama gear sales, I don't think any Republican will lose to the tyrant.

But you know that Obama is going to pull out all the stops on this one...it'll be the dirtiest, most dishonest campaign in the history of the country. If Obama loses, he'll probably have to leave the country to avoid indictment.

As Chris Rock summed up Obama's second term (which will begin with the campaign)..."He's gonna go gansta! We don't want justice...we want retribution!" (I paraphrase).

19 posted on 11/22/2011 1:31:52 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: wolfman23601

To cure the pain, vote for Herman Cain. Don’t let Fox and the media tell you who the “best” candidate is.


20 posted on 11/22/2011 1:33:17 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: RainMan
You mean other than Obama thanking Mitt for Romneycare as the blueprint for Obamacare ... nah, that will never come up in the campaign

I'm saying since Newt supported the same individual mandate, there's no gain for choosing Newt over Romney on that score.

21 posted on 11/22/2011 1:43:05 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I took it to mean that Newt is the second choice for most Cain and Romney supporters.


22 posted on 11/22/2011 1:52:00 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: Huck

That’s ridiculous. Did Romney bring a GOP majority to Congress, or balance the budget for 4 years?


23 posted on 11/22/2011 1:52:55 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: LS

I am OK with Newt. Still mostly leaning Cain but with Newt rising, so to speak.


24 posted on 11/22/2011 1:54:06 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: RockinRight
Didn't Newt get ousted as speaker? Why? Because he's such an effective leader?
25 posted on 11/22/2011 2:06:16 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I agree about Romney. I’ll never vote for him. He governed as a leftist.

I disagree about Gingrich. I will vote for him. He governed as a conservative.

It’s that simple. Gingrich has all the conservative positions, and when in power, he governed according to those conservative positions.

He will get my vote over Obama.

Romney will not because he is simply more of Obama.


26 posted on 11/22/2011 2:08:16 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: org.whodat

I don’t buy this poll. Does KEllyAnn believe Newt is really up that much in SC? It is out of touch with other polling done in SC. Neither Cain nor Romney ever had that type of lead when they were “surging”. I just don’t buy this poll unless others come out to vindicate it.


27 posted on 11/22/2011 2:19:24 PM PST by chilepup
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To: MNJohnnie; TBBT; All
Actually, Kellyanne Conway is the (sometimes on Fox) lady who has on several occasions hinted that she leans toward Mitt Romney, and has in fact been kind of a Romney defense person in duel-style left/right debates with Huffington folks previously.

To her credit, she does try to stay independent, though.

If her polling says Romney is down bad in SC, the state to decide every GOP nominee, it is VERY bad news for Mitt. The worst news for him is that even SHE shows Mitt faltering badly in NH.

28 posted on 11/22/2011 2:31:12 PM PST by TitansAFC (Doug Hoffman says it's good to support Newt, so stop being mad on his behalf when he doesn't want it)
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To: RockinRight

Sir,
That was a long time ago. Newt is NOT what he was 15 years ago. He has turned into a political chameleon who has sold out the conservatives of the party time and time again in recent memory.

For crying out loud read up on the man. The evidence is everywhere...The NY state election, The ad with Pelosi, his support for single payer mandate with healthcare and his own book on environmentalism and his support for the left wing causes on global warming!


29 posted on 11/22/2011 2:41:41 PM PST by CSI007
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To: TBBT

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Gingrich-Interviewed-by-New-Hampshire-Newspaper/10737425652/

On this page, off to the right, there’s a link to the full one-hour interview of Newt by the NH Union Leader. He did well.


30 posted on 11/22/2011 2:55:09 PM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: TBBT
The numbers from Kellyanne Conway's Polling Company show Gingrich getting 31 percent, while Cain gets 17 percent and Romney gets 16 percent

Hmm...when she was Kellyanne Fitzpatrick she was Newt's pollster.

31 posted on 11/22/2011 2:59:09 PM PST by montag813
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To: wolfman23601
I will need to be convinced

Fine....and the best way to start is to listen to what Newt Gingrich says instead of relying on what the media says Newt Gingrich says.

32 posted on 11/22/2011 3:00:32 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: xzins

“He governed as a conservative.”

Newt never governed.

He was a “speaker”.


33 posted on 11/22/2011 3:00:36 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: TBBT
Santorum is my first choice.

I will gladly support and pull the lever for Herman Cain.

I'll vote for Newt, but without much enthusiasm.

Romney is toxic and anathema on so many core issues (Life, family, 2A, healthcare, etc. etc.). He will never get a vote from me.
34 posted on 11/22/2011 3:05:15 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: TBBT

God help us if we choose Newt and there are some Brett Favre or Weiner-style text messages revealed next year. You just never know with the Republican Bill Clinton.


35 posted on 11/22/2011 3:07:50 PM PST by montag813
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To: fantom

Yes, they are the stupid party. They are doing their best to force their establishment or overly moderate choices as the only ones “who can win”.


36 posted on 11/22/2011 4:03:51 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: eddie willers

I’ve already seen Newt in power once. That was enough for me. Your mileage may vary.


37 posted on 11/22/2011 4:07:21 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: Ingtar
I’ve already seen Newt in power once

The only reason you got to see Newt in power is because he orchestrated the 1994 Republican Revolution.

38 posted on 11/22/2011 4:12:21 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The Speaker of the House is in control of the House. The Constitution says “The Speaker and other officers.” Therefore, the Speaker is the LEAD Officer of the House.

And officers OFFICIALLY lead. In the case of the Speaker, he is the presiding officer.

“The Speaker’s powers and duties extend beyond presiding in the chamber. In particular, the Speaker has great influence over the committee process. The Speaker selects nine of the thirteen members of the powerful Committee on Rules, subject to the approval of the conference of the majority party. (The leadership of the minority party chooses remaining four members.) Furthermore, the Speaker appoints all members of select committees and conference committees. Moreover, when a bill is introduced, the Speaker determines which committee shall consider it. As a member of the House, the Speaker is entitled to participate in debate and to vote but, by custom, only does so in exceptional circumstances. Ordinarily, the Speaker votes only when their vote would be decisive, and on matters of great importance (such as constitutional amendments).”

So, yes. Speakers govern the House of Representatives, a terribly difficult job of leading powerful independent men and women. Like herding cats.


39 posted on 11/22/2011 4:18:33 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Huck

Now that is downright funny ... you think that Newt is as susceptible as Mittens when it comes to Obamacare ...

Mittens gets his head handed to him on a platter on Obamacare with NO way out, and Obama can cite him as the inspiration for it.

Newt gets a single question, which can easily be handled (we looked at it as an option in the 90’s when we were forced to try to address HillaryCare, it did not pass muster ... )

The 2 are not in the same league.


40 posted on 11/22/2011 4:23:35 PM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: cotton1706

Its going to be a lot easier to vote for Newt than it was for McStain. In fact Newt or Herman either one.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 4:30:41 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RainMan
you think that Newt is as susceptible as Mittens

That's not what I said. I said he supported the same thing as Romney, which is true. Of course, if I'm not mistaken, Newt favored the individual mandate at the federal level, which is worse than Romneycare, and worse than what Romney is proposing.

I am saying Newt on policy is just as bad and in some cases worse than Romney. Whether or not he is susceptible depends on how badly the Tea Party wants to let Newt pull the wool over their eyes.

42 posted on 11/22/2011 4:41:59 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: CSI007; Huck

When we mention that Perry was a Democrat 20 years ago, its supposed to matter, but when we say that Newt made some great accomplishments 15 years ago, it doesn’t?


43 posted on 11/22/2011 4:43:24 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: RockinRight

Newt didn’t accomplish all that much. Those balanced budgets were phony, for starters. The increase in revenues was a Greenspan bubble and a tech boom, not any real hard choices by government. And in the end, Newt got PWNED by Slick Willie and lost the speakership.


44 posted on 11/22/2011 4:46:45 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: TBBT
Here in conservative South Carolina it's Cain all the way...Newt as a Georgia boy neighbor may have a shot but Mitt is as well liked as General Sherman.

We still have an open primary so the Dems could give it to Mitt if they are properly organized—yet we also have a very large social conservative black population who may want to fix the mistake they made with Obama by voting for a real American black man this time.

Regardless, on January 21, 2012, we will elect the next President of the United States.

45 posted on 11/22/2011 4:59:12 PM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: Huck

Name someone who has done more. Anyone??


46 posted on 11/22/2011 5:03:35 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: RockinRight

More what?


47 posted on 11/22/2011 5:04:31 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: TBBT

This is BS. I live in SC. This state is in the Cain column. Had to do some real creative statisticsl “analysis” to come up with that crap. SC is a Bible Belt state, for God’s sake. Doing religion here is a highly competive endeavor. Churches and synogogs abound which a of of people attend church/synogog, go to Sunday School and support local charities regualrly.

This poll wants me to believe all these religious folks will just ignore Newt’s three marriages—not to mention all the other RINO stuff he’s engaged in and not to mention his foundation being paid for global warming conslulting to the AOnada regime.

As for Romney—there is no one in the South in his/her right mind that will vote for anyone who supports Onada/Romney care.


48 posted on 11/22/2011 5:28:31 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: nikos1121

Actually, I won’t stay home. I will vote for the other people on the ticket. ESPECIALLY ALL THOSE GOOD CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ELECTING HERE IN ALABAMA. You want Romney, you can have Obama lite all you want. I will not vote for him. You have your choice and I have mine. So you use yours.


49 posted on 11/22/2011 5:51:36 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: Huck

The individual mandate is just one component of Obamacare, and the balance of Obamacare and its similarities to Romneycare there is no equivalence between the two.


50 posted on 11/22/2011 6:09:32 PM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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