'Occupy Student Debt' emerges in US

Press TV ^ | November 22nd 2011 | Staff

[Haiku Guy]

You can’t work through college and not take loans. To expensive.

The way to work your way through school is to first learn a marketable skill, then go to school.

Get a job and work your way up to where you are making a decent wage, maybe $20 an hour. Become a veterinary tech, or learn to lay tile or weld, or work construction. There are good paying jobs out there.

Then go part time and work weekends. If you put in 20 hours a week and watch your expenses, it can still be done. But if you go to an expensive private institution, live in the dorm, and take Spring Break in Cancun every year, it can't be done.

[dfwgator]

Or just go to Community College for two years and transfer to the big school for the final two.

[zeaal]

Good idea!

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Why is student debt held up on a pillar and not other debt?

Oh, that’s right. They want all debt to be forgiven. Using student debt makes them seem like precious little children, when they’re evil, Marxists in training.

[moehoward]

"I don’t blame the kids."

I don't completely blame the kids. You can't expect a sensible business decision to come from the average public school 'graduate'. If fact, considering the mental state of most of these kids, and what they get in return, this could be considered predatory lending on steroids.

[longtermmemmory]

student loans make sense IF universities provide something of value.

The universities today are degree mills.

law schools have more seats than students. (see NY law students suing their school)

A degree was an insurance policy for empolyers to imply competence. Today it is meaningless.

Here on FR we have been saying university educations are left wing worthless.

These do nothing stinky hippies just do not have the gray matter to make the analysis. they are just in pain.

[Cardhu]

I worked two jobs to pay for my books and tuition, and paid the cost every quarter for four years.

Poor yorkie, while you were working your butt off - at the same age I was cruising the world on the Grey Funnel Line giving away the British Empire and enjoying it.

India, Pakistan, Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Burma (Myanmar) and monitoring the UN and Lake Success (NY) whilst off Mogadishu before we handed Italian Somaliland back to the Italians at the UN's behest.

Walking the streets of Madras the day Gandhi was assassinated which caused tremendous rioting and killings. Then off to South Africa where pro Nazi Dr Malan beat our guy Jan Smuts.

Gotta admit I seem to put a jinx on everything.

Just got back from an evacuation with a fire in our apartment block. :)

[moehoward]

“NY law students suing their school”

Now THAT is the chickens coming home to roost!

[null and void]

Please stay in Spain, mkay?

[Cardhu]

Chicken! - what more could go wrong.

[OneRatToGo]

I call BS on this sign too. I paid off my student loans in 7 years after college. My 26 year old daughter will have her’s paid off by next June. Of course we both graduated and got jobs. We also understood that you have to send the payments in and doing the minimum payment thing is not the right course of action.

If you don’t understand these things maybe you should have never gone to college in the first place.

[redgolum]

I graduated from Iowa State in Chemical engineering the winter of 1998.

Worked part time, and got out in four years wiht under $20k in debt. Mostly paid off now. That was with a scholarship paying for most of it but the last year.

Your plan would mean I would have had to gone to tech school for two years (required for vet tech) or join the union and apprentice for five until you get that $20 an hour job.

At the plant I work at now, we start at $16. A guy with 15 years of experience pulls down $19.

Where can a college kid find that $20 hour job?

[null and void]

what more could go wrong.

Ya had to ask...

[Oceander]

I reran the calculations using the variable interest rate that reset for each academic year and came up with the following: if she’s telling the truth about how much she borrowed, when she borrowed it, and how much she currently owes, then her payments would have been equivalent to a fixed monthly payment of about $123.64 a month for every month since 1988.

Even though that’s higher than both of our estimates, it’s still a piddling amount - unless of course she was stupid enough to have borrowed to get a degree in art history or some fru-fru useless degree.

If she’d been more diligent and paid about $317.70 a month, she would have had the entire balance paid off in 10 years.

If she’d paid just $213.62 a month she would have fully paid the loan in 20 years.

I cannot have an iota of sympathy for this stupid nitwit.

[Haiku Guy]

I had a $20/hr no in college in 1984. You gotta be good at what you do.

[redgolum]

That was before a few million illegals. Few trades pay that now.

[redgolum]

That was before a few million illegals. Few trades pay that now.

[redgolum]

That was before a few million illegals. Few trades pay that now.

[Lorianne]

one of the protesters

“They don’t have a lot of cuts and stuff for everybody.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-LschF82o&feature=player_embedded

[ETL]

as well as the usual ‘fascist cops hurting peaceful protesters for no reason’ meme

Re: Occupy Wall Street, 2011

He [NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly] said that following Wednesday's [Oct 12, 2011] 10,000-strong union march, a much smaller group tried to storm police barricades at Wall Street and Broadway.

"They locked their arms. They counted down - 10, 9, 8, 7, 6. Then they decided to charge the police. That is going to be met with some physical force," Kelly said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

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Re: Kent State, 1969

"the purpose of all this agitation at Kent State was to recruit as much cannon fodder as possible, and then to provoke a "major confrontation." When it came, it would be neither accidental nor spontaneous. It would be exactly what the revolutionaries wanted.

On April 8, 1969, S.D.S. toughs marched through various campus buildings, disrupting classes as planned, chanting "Ho, Ho, Ho chi Minh," and striking campus police officers. One of these hoodlums pleaded nolo contendere to a charge of assault and battery, and drew a fine and jail sentence. The university scheduled a disciplinary hearing for two others on April sixteenth, at which time about one hundred revolutionaries smashed into the Music and Speech building where the hearing was being held, destroyed property, and again attacked police officers. Of the fifty-eight demonstrators arrested, ten were not even students at the school. At the rally preceding the march on the disciplinary hearing, non-student Jim Mellen told the audience as follows: "We're no longer asking you to come and help us make a revolution. We're telling you that the revolution has begun, and the only choice you have to make is which side you're on. And we're also telling you that if you get in the way of the revolution, it's going to run right over you." Mr. Mellen's remarks were included in a liberally distributed S.D.S. pamphlet, which began with a quotation from Mao Tse-tung and the following warning: "The war is on at Kent State University ...."

At a meeting in Williams Hall on April 28, 1969, revolutionary Communist Bernardine Dohrn said that people fighting "oppression" would have to carry weapons for "self defense." On May sixth, at another campus rally, Joyce Cecora called for armed rebellion: "They used guns at Cornell and they got what they wanted. It will come to that here!" And at still another rally on campus on May twenty-second, S.D.S. member Rick Skirvin said this: "We'll start blowing up buildings, we'll start buying guns, we'll do anything to bring this motherf***er down."

Michener quotes a student named Ken Tennant as follows: "With me it goes back to the music festival they held at Fred Fuller Park in September, 1969. Four Weathermen came down from Chicago, with insignia on their bib overalls. They were selling their organization newspaper, and I said, 'I'll buy a copy if you'll tell me what your outfit stands for.' They said, 'We're going to destroy this corrupt American society and build a better.' I asked how, and they explained, 'We've decided to close down schools all over the nation. We're going to start in Chicago. But we have our eye on Kent State, too. It could be ripe.' "

Bear in mind that we have room here to cite only a few examples of the inflammatory agitation and propaganda on the campus at Kent State for almost two years. The evidence establishes—in the words of the revolutionaries—that the goal of S.D.S. was to provoke a violent confrontation in which somebody would be hurt, or even worse.

And the most incredible such example took place on April 10, 1970, when Jerry Rubin spoke on the campus at Kent State. Jerry Rubin is a Communist, of course. We can be absolutely sure of that because he has said so repeatedly. In fact he said he was a Communist when your reporter asked him about it at the Democrat National Convention in Miami in 1972. At that Convention Rubin also said that, when he and his Comrades take over, your reporter will be gassed. At Kent State, Communist Jerry Rubin said this: "The first part of the Yippie program is to kill your parents. And I mean that quite literally, because until you're prepared to kill your parents, you're not ready to change this country. Our parents are our first oppressors."

Your first reaction on reading a thing like this, of course, is that maybe I have taken it out of context. You refuse to believe that anybody would say this. But Rubin really told the students what you just read. It is important to remember that, at the time, Jerry Rubin was a convicted criminal—he had been convicted for leading the turmoil at the 1968 Democrat National Convention in Chicago, where terrorists attacked the police—which raises the question of how such a man could be permitted to address students on a university campus in Ohio.**

Rubin also told the Kent State students to burn down the suburbs. "The American school system will be ended in two years," he explained. "We are going to bring it down. Quit being students. Become criminals. We have to disrupt every institution and break every law. We should have more laws so we can break them, too. Everybody should have their own law to break." As for the campus itself, Comrade Rubin told the students to ignore their professors, and to "burn all the books. It's quiet here now but things are going to start again."

The campus was now ready. Almost two years of intensive Communist propaganda had their effect. A sufficient number of students was willing to serve as cannon fodder for the revolutionary "cause." The Communists needed only an excuse to provoke their "major confrontation." Three weeks later they got their excuse.

[snip]

"...it is important to quote at length from the state grand jury report on the affair: "Fifty-eight Guardsmen were injured by rocks and other objects hurled at them as they moved across the 'Commons' to Taylor Hall Hill and down to the practice football field, and were then forced to retreat .... it is clear that from the time the Guard reached the practice football field, they were on the defensive and had every reason to be concerned for their own welfare .... The circumstances present at that time indicate that 74 men surrounded by several hundred hostile rioters were forced to retreat back up the hill toward Taylor Hall under a constant barrage of rocks and other flying objects, accompanied by a constant flow of obscenities and chants such as 'Kill, Kill, Kill.' Photographic evidence has established, beyond any doubt, that as the National Guardsmen approached the top of the hill adjacent to Taylor Hall, a large segment of the crowd surged up the hill, led by smaller groups of agitators approaching to within short distances of the rear ranks of the Guardsmen.

"The testimony of the students and Guardsmen is clear that several members of the Guard were knocked to the ground or to their knees by the force of the objects thrown at them. ..."

MUCH MORE AT LINK:

http://25thaviation.org/facts/id960.htm