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Karl Rove Says Cain’s Finished, Zogby ‘Says He Trounces’ Romney Head-to-Head
Big Government ^ | 10/31/11 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 10/31/2011 4:15:18 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

When Gov. Sarah Palin was deciding whether or not to get into the presidential race, Karl Rove was popping up on Fox News to talk about why her skin was too thin for the job. And when Gov. Rick Perry was thinking about his entrance into the race, Rove was Johnny-on-the-spot with reasons why a Perry candidacy would not be viable either.

Now Rove’s moved on to Herman Cain, whose candidacy he’s doing all he can to sink, sidetrack, or

On Fox News this past Monday, Rove did his best Mr. Rogers imitation by holding up a small dry-erase board with words (and phrases) for the day like “abortion, neoconservative, Afghan policy,” etc. According to Rove, Cain’s “gaffes” in these areas have rendered him unelectable.

How so? Well, according to Rove: “I think it has created an image of him as not being up to this task. [And] that’s really deadly.”

Of course, it’s important to keep in mind the fact that Rove is an establishment Republican who supports McRomney And if someone really wants to focus on gaffes, they should focus on McRomney’s deception on hiring illegal lawn care workers, his full-blown support of Roe v. Wade not so long ago, his support of the assault weapons ban, his support of the Brady Bill, and his ongoing belief in manmade global warming, among other things.

But I guess all that wouldn’t fit on Rove’s little board.

Anyway, while on Fox News Monday Rove talked about how there was “a hint” that Cain’s numbers had peaked sometime between October 6th and October 10th, and they “had begun to slide slightly since then.” In other words, “Move on, people; there’s nothing to see here.”

However, the latest Zogby poll, taken October 18-21, well after Cain’s supposed “slide” had begun, shows .

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1 posted on 10/31/2011 4:15:19 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

Rove and Romney threw the last two elections for the DNC.
They intend to do the same now.


2 posted on 10/31/2011 4:18:04 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Evil Slayer

Get lost, Karl.


3 posted on 10/31/2011 4:18:04 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Evil Slayer

Shut up Karl.


4 posted on 10/31/2011 4:18:06 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Evil Slayer

Rove = Romney’s pimp.


5 posted on 10/31/2011 4:18:09 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Evil Slayer

Some of us said, many months ago, that Rove’s pet, Geo. W. Bush, was not a conservative. That earned us savage bashing. Now that almost everyone realizes that W. Bush was a disaster to the conservative cause, why the bleep should anyone listen to Karl Rove?


6 posted on 10/31/2011 4:18:57 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Evil Slayer

All Karl Rove and the rest of those elitist pricks want to do is ensure Obama gets a 2nd term. I wouldnt be surprised if they all voted for Obama in 2008 and I wouldnt be shocked at all if these scumbags are the ones that leaked this crap to Politico to screw Cain over..they want Romney to get the nomination and will do whatever it takes to ensure that happens. Cain will get through all of this nonsense which is exactly what it is, total NONSENSE


7 posted on 10/31/2011 4:21:10 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Evil Slayer

Rove and Romney threw the last two elections for the DNC.
They intend to do the same now.


8 posted on 10/31/2011 4:21:23 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Evil Slayer

If Cain survives this, then he’s the nominee apparent.


9 posted on 10/31/2011 4:21:23 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Evil Slayer

Zogby is right, of course.

If it’s just Cain versus Romney, then Romney tops out at 35% of the vote (at best), and loses. But with spoilers still in the race (mainly Perry, but Newt to some extent), it stays close.

If I were Romney, I’d be encouraging Perry to fight the big fight every day...and no doubt his bunch is doing just that.


10 posted on 10/31/2011 4:22:08 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: Evil Slayer

well, ya know the old saying...money talks BS walks

lets just see what intrade says.

romney 69%
perry 11%
cain 6.5%

we are a long ways out from the election still, so we can’t put too much faith in predictions intrade or otherwise, but seems to me a 6.5% chance of winning nomination aint real good. Maybe Rove isn’t so far off.


11 posted on 10/31/2011 4:25:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: BobL

Romneycare’s 35% top out was months ago.

The only way he can get close to that again is if Perry drops out.
Perry’s less than 10% remaining are the open borders crowd and they will probably all go Romney.


12 posted on 10/31/2011 4:27:24 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Karl has jumped the shark


13 posted on 10/31/2011 4:29:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mamelukesabre
so we can’t put too much faith in predictions intrade or otherwise

Intrade sophisticates the general population is not...

14 posted on 10/31/2011 4:32:54 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Evil Slayer

First of all, his candidate in 2000 seemed a little light in the “readiness” department. And we KNOW obama wasn’t ready.

I despise the republican elite as much as I despise the democrats. Man, we need a second party.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 4:33:13 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Karl Rove - Establishment Hit Man


16 posted on 10/31/2011 4:33:47 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Common sense although common knowledge is seldom common practice.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Rove is an a**hole, nothing more, nothing less unless he turns brown.
17 posted on 10/31/2011 4:33:58 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Rove said Cain was finished a week ago, before the news about Cain broke.

Now how would Rove know Cain was finished unless Rove was the one trying to finish him for Romulus.


18 posted on 10/31/2011 4:37:44 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: BreezyDog

You’re point is...?


19 posted on 10/31/2011 4:39:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Evil Slayer

Karl, your 15 minutes are over. Please go away now.


20 posted on 10/31/2011 4:39:40 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: hellbender

Months ago? How about the 2000 election? Compassionate conservatism, the gift the keeps on giving.


21 posted on 10/31/2011 4:40:22 PM PDT by Darryl Lecht ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: Brilliant

Just reported on the news tonight - his daily donations doubled what they have been...


22 posted on 10/31/2011 4:42:15 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

My point was to back up your point...I’m not looking for trouble here :-)


23 posted on 10/31/2011 4:42:15 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: Evil Slayer

Quite frankly, Karl Rove can KMA.


24 posted on 10/31/2011 4:44:41 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Barack suffers from ADD -- "Additional Deficit Disorder".)
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To: Evil Slayer

KMA, Poppin’ Fresh...


25 posted on 10/31/2011 4:46:06 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: hellbender
And that would be the same Karl Rove who managed to turn two walk off wins into an extra inning affair and a late game come back? And cost us both Houses of Congress for good measure???

WTH anyone listens to this cretin is beyond me.

26 posted on 10/31/2011 4:46:48 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: hellbender

I sure won’t argue with you, even Rush acknowledges that GW wasn’t a Conservative.


27 posted on 10/31/2011 4:47:50 PM PDT by izzatzo ( Anybody but Obamney and Huntsman.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Why do people listen to him? ‘Cause Fox news loves him.


28 posted on 10/31/2011 4:48:10 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

Click on the cane, (Go Cain.)

29 posted on 10/31/2011 4:48:43 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Evil Slayer

Fox News/Murdoch is looking foolish by giving Rove so much face time to keep beating the DC establishment’s drum. It’s time to find another teat to nurse from Karl.


30 posted on 10/31/2011 4:49:03 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: mamelukesabre
...well, ya know the old saying...money talks BS walks

So what is the success rate of Intrade this far out? What are the chances that a desperate RINO with very deep pockets isn't flooding bets on himself in order to give Mittbots a talking point when all other indicators show the candidate a loser?

31 posted on 10/31/2011 4:49:29 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Mr. Rove, you can go F yourself in the A, sir.


32 posted on 10/31/2011 4:50:14 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Karl Rove is the architect of failure.


33 posted on 10/31/2011 4:50:46 PM PDT by CrosscutSaw
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To: Evil Slayer

To be honest, I thought Cain’s gaffs were going to do him in too, but they didn’t. Fact is, he just keeps on climbing and smiling.

I think if he makes it through this last hit job by Homo-Rag-Politico, he may actually become bulletproof.


34 posted on 10/31/2011 4:51:02 PM PDT by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~... leaning for Newt 2012..."Save a pretzel for the gas jets.")
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Yeah, and Rove was the point man on Bush’s illegal alien amnesty plan. I wish he would learn how to pronounce Washington instead of Warshington. He should shut up, get his face lipo-suctioned, and get his rotten teeth pulled out. That guy is a mess. I don’t know which Fox pundit is worse, Alan Colmes or Rove.


35 posted on 10/31/2011 4:52:02 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: mamelukesabre

And my point also could be that Intrade people are not “in touch” with the general population. Disclosure: I do have an Intrade account.


36 posted on 10/31/2011 4:54:22 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: BreezyDog

I wasn’t looking for trouble either.


37 posted on 10/31/2011 4:55:36 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Evil Slayer

Rove - now we know who dumped the turd in the punchbowl ...


38 posted on 10/31/2011 4:57:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: Gator113
Did you watch the news tonight? Cain made it worse today by changing his story from what he said less than two hours earlier. Both times on tape, in full context, a 180 degree flip.

I fear Rove may be right this time.

39 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:02 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Gator113

Does anyone know who these women are? Do they have names?
My guess us they are white liberal femi-nazi’s but it’s just a guess.


40 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:02 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Gator113

Does anyone know who these women are? Do they have names?
My guess us they are white liberal femi-nazi’s but it’s just a guess.


41 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:17 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Evil Slayer

When I saw him on Fox this morning, I went to the Business channel. Had enough of his crap!


42 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:35 PM PDT by sig229 (The loonie left "FLUNKED" human nature 101)
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To: BreezyDog

well, that’s how I took it to start with. Then I was going to follow up with “what difference does that make”. The big money people seem to be the ones that choose our candidates anyway.


43 posted on 10/31/2011 4:59:09 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Evil Slayer
There's the primary and then there is the general. Most posters here are politically naive. They think that because they are conservative, the country is conservative and a hard right conservative. They talk about Ronald Reagan in 1980 as if America is even close to being the same country we were in that time. We aren't and aren't even close. FR type conservatives are about 15%-20% of the voting population, if that. Sure they can dominate a topic here on FR and delude themselves into thinking that they are a majority. I assure you Conservatives are not a majority of the voters in the United States. So be careful about who you wish to nominate. You may win the nomination and lost the general.

Let me remind some of you posters here. We had hundreds and hundreds of posters back a year ago who were just giddy about Christine O'Donnell who was running for the Senate in Delaware. Freepers and others of the same mind nominated O'Donnell instead of Mike Castle. Rove said she would lose and lose big time. People here insisted that if we just wished and hoped and prayed that somehow she could win. She got massacred election day just as Rove said she would. So now we have another Democrat in the Senate for 6 years. People here would be wise to go back and review this. The same thing happened in California with Tom Campbell, who if Republicans had half a brain would be the junior Senator from California instead of Barbara Boxer. RINO the Freepers said time and again. So they went with Carly Fiorina and they went down in flames. Rove was right about that as well.
44 posted on 10/31/2011 5:03:08 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Evil Slayer
The fact that people, especially FReepers, are gullible enough to actually believe FNC is conservative and continue to watch it amazes me.
45 posted on 10/31/2011 5:03:45 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Evil Slayer

it’s the values.

it’s always the values.

what values does X support?

what values does y support?

values is what counts...period.


46 posted on 10/31/2011 5:03:53 PM PDT by mreerm
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To: Lazlo in PA

I couldn’t answer that with any confidence but I would guess not very accurate.

But those are pretty long odds. I mean if it was 50%rommney and 25% cain I would say “that means nothing”. But cain has 6.5%! Even if its off by 100% that’s still a pretty strong statement for cain losing the nomination.

I’m not a romney fan btw. Last election I was sick seeing the establishment republicans get the nomination and then drag us along by giving the Veep spot to a true conservative. Why can’t it be the other way around? why can’t a true conservative get the nomination and then drag the establishment republicans along by handing the veep spot to an establishment republican? that’s what the reagan-bush ticket was.


47 posted on 10/31/2011 5:04:36 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Evil Slayer
I've hear of Zogby.

Who is this guy, "Karl Rove"?

48 posted on 10/31/2011 5:08:16 PM PDT by Gritty (Liberalism is like a deadly virus or parasite. It needs a host it uses and abuses.-Ellis Washington)
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To: chris37

He’s not that flexible or well endowed, but thanks for the visual /s


49 posted on 10/31/2011 5:09:28 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Beagle8U

No, I’ve been playing outside most of the day.


50 posted on 10/31/2011 5:10:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~... leaning for Newt 2012..."Save a pretzel for the gas jets.")
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