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Still no solution for illegal immigrants' long-term care costs
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 30, 2011 | TODD ACKERMAN

Posted on 10/30/2011 2:17:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

....What is clear is that the practice stirs passionate responses on both sides of the immigration debate.

Geoffrey Hoffman.... describes it as "patient dumping" or "private deportation" and calls it "despicable." Noting deportation is the "exclusive province" of the federal government, not hospitals, he says forcing patients to "accept" repatriation back to a country where there may be no hope of follow-up care can "only reflect badly on our great nation."

By contrast, Mark Krikorian....argues that there are "real-world limits" to the level of health care U.S. institutions should provide non-citizens. He says that it's one thing to provide the life-saving emergency care federal law requires, quite another to provide lifelong, bankruptcy-causing or premium-raising care "to people here illegally in the first place."

Beneath the rhetoric, there's no denying the cost of such care. In 2010, for instance, the Harris County Hospital District [Houston,TX] spent nearly $170 million on the care of illegal immigrants. That was up from $100 million in 2007.

From 2005 to 2008, states were able to recoup some of those costs thanks to federal funding - Texas got about $45 million a year - aimed at compensating states for the emergency care of illegal immigrants the law requires hospitals provide. The program, pushed by Texas and other states that bear the brunt of such care, was not renewed after 2008.

Still, the real problem isn't hospitals, which transfer most all patients, both U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants, once urgent care is no longer needed and the bed is needed for other patients. It's long-term care facilities, unable to afford to accept patients, like Martinez, who don't have insurance. It remains for hospitals, obligated by federal regulation to arrange post-hospital care for those who need it, to find alternatives and to provide care indefinitely if they can't....

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; federalmandate; healthcare; heartless; illegals; perryastroturfing
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To: mowowie
I have a solution, it requires C-130 transport planes and millions of parachutes....

Rick could even be the Flight Lead.

41 posted on 10/30/2011 10:02:19 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: TADSLOS

Okay by me——will even create jobs for skilled parachute makers. LOL.


42 posted on 10/30/2011 11:48:12 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BobL

Perry The Panderer keeps saying the “feds” wont seal the border. But as governor, Perry controls the state’s Ntl Guard-—he can send as many as he wants to the border.

Blaming others is not in the “conservative” lexicon.

Perry is playing by the Liberal Playbook-—it’s never his fault. He’s a serial blamer——always pointing the finger at someone else for his shortcomings.


43 posted on 10/30/2011 11:55:50 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz

“Perry The Panderer keeps saying the “feds” wont seal the border. But as governor, Perry controls the state’s Ntl Guard-—he can send as many as he wants to the border.

Blaming others is not in the “conservative” lexicon.

Perry is playing by the Liberal Playbook-—it’s never his fault. “

You’re right. I lived in California just before they transitioned to becoming a Democrat state (same as will happen with Texas in 10 years, if Perry gets his way). We saw the same thing, complaint after complaint, but NO ACTION by the governor or the other Republicans.

...and then, sure enough, no more Republicans in high office. Almost like they planned it that way.


44 posted on 10/30/2011 12:05:57 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL

We have already paid $400 million of our State dollars in the last few years to directly supplement the Federal control of the border, using State helicopters, guns, DPS agents and Rangers. We’ve increased our appropriation for the 2012-2013 budget period - doubling the two year spending to $220 Million of our State tax funds. Sending our National Guard troops to do the Federal government’s job costs money.

In fact, that’s exactly what Napolitano has told us about the planned pull-back of the 200 NG troops deployed along the Texas border (out of a total of 1200) last summer: if we want them now, we can pay for them. Congress has forced two 90 day extensions, but we still only get 1/6 of the troops for the Texas border, which is 1200 miles of the 2000 mile border.


45 posted on 10/30/2011 12:30:49 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You can try and take a Perry negative such as his speaking to La Raza and try to turn it into a positive, but nobody is buying it, not even you.

La Raza is racist.

Speaking to them is no better than addressing a Klan or Black Panther rally.
46 posted on 10/30/2011 1:48:38 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: fieldmarshaldj
So now you’ve done from denying or playing down his association with La Raza to EMBRACING it ? This is a racial supremacist organization whose goals are the “reconquest” of a large chunk of the United States. And you wonder why Perry is in the single digits in support.

If CW doesn't try and embrace Perry's association with La Raza, she knows it'll be brought up by somebody else. This is a common tactic for those trying to help their candidates - take a negative and try to spin it into a positive.

The problem for CW is that La Raza is a racist and evil organization no matter how hard she tries to spin it. She can point out that George W. Bush, Karl Rove, John McCain, and Barry Obama all spoke at La Raza gatherings, but that doesn't exactly leave Perry in good company...
47 posted on 10/30/2011 1:58:09 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The Texas Ranger Division is comprised of 216 full time employees; including 150 commissioned Rangers and 66 support personnel; including administrative staff, Border Security Operations Center, Joint Operations and Intelligence Centers, and the Special Weapons and Tactics team.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/texasrangers/


48 posted on 10/30/2011 3:51:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do you have any idea who/what La Raza is? It is a seditious organization dedicated to the Reconquista of America. Speaking to La Raza is the equivalent of speaking to a communist group dedicated to the destruction of the Republic. La Raza is dedicated to the destruction of the US. You don’t speak to them about drug gangs. You speak to them about their own treasonous goals:

Exclusive: The Truth About ‘La Raza’
by Rep. Charlie Norwood

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863


49 posted on 10/30/2011 4:42:14 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien and other related articles.

50 posted on 10/30/2011 8:31:36 PM PDT by HiJinx ("Family values don't stop at the Gulf of Aden." ~ Flag_This)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Still no solution for illegal immigrants' long-term care costs . . .

A good start would be sending them home where the care is much cheaper.

If their countries of origin refuse to take them back, then we could step up enforcement of immigration laws against the illegals from that particular nation.

There is plenty of carrot to attract illegal immigrants into this country. There needs to be more stick in encouraging those most egregious about sending the supply into accepting at least some of the consequences along with the rewards.

What do you suppose La Raza Rick would think about such a policy?

FWIW, I lived in Japan during part of their boom years. Every lesser developed country in Asia wanted to send their nationals to work in Japan, albeit on a much smaller scale than Latin America sends their nationals to work in the United States.

Cambodia was one example which refused to take back their criminals and their injured. Once Japan started stepping up enforcement against Cambodian nationals in retaliation, they reversed this policy almost immediately-- but only with respect to their nationals being deported from Japan. As far as I know, they still practice the old policy with the United States because they know we won't retailiate in the same way that the Japanese did. What does that tell you?

51 posted on 10/30/2011 9:01:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Still no solution for illegal immigrants' long-term care costs . . .

A good start would be sending them home where the care is much cheaper.

If their countries of origin refuse to take them back, then we could step up enforcement of immigration laws against the illegals from that particular nation.

There is plenty of carrot to attract illegal immigrants into this country. There needs to be more stick in encouraging those most egregious about sending the supply into accepting at least some of the consequences along with the rewards.

What do you suppose La Raza Rick would think about such a policy?

FWIW, I lived in Japan during part of their boom years. Every lesser developed country in Asia wanted to send their nationals to work in Japan, albeit on a much smaller scale than Latin America sends their nationals to work in the United States.

Cambodia was one example which refused to take back their criminals and their injured. Once Japan started stepping up enforcement against Cambodian nationals in retaliation, they reversed this policy almost immediately-- but only with respect to their nationals being deported from Japan. As far as I know, they still practice the old policy with the United States because they know we won't retailiate in the same way that the Japanese did. What does that tell you?

52 posted on 10/30/2011 9:01:48 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Graybeard58

That’s incredible they’re so small. Even with support personnel, that doesn’t even add up to 1 Ranger per county. No way on earth they can keep up with the border invasion, not even if there were 10 times that number (and what about handling crimes unrelated to that ?).


53 posted on 10/30/2011 11:52:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: BobL

Perry insists he’s a “real conservative”....... but blaming everyone else but himself for his serial gaffes is straight out of the Liberal Playbook. La Raza Rick won’t take responsibility.

Illegals in Texas? Feds fault.

Affirmative action for illegals? State’s Rights.

In-state tuition? His unbigoted heart is in the right place.

Parolee deportation delay? ICE.

Gardasil EO? Merck Big Buck contributions made him do it.

Running for president? Anita told him to run.

Reforms dead in Texas? It’s the dam Repub-controlled legislature.


54 posted on 10/31/2011 6:26:08 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz
Illegals in Texas? Feds fault.

Illegals being in Texas is fed gov's fault, as Texas is not allowed to deport people.

Affirmative action for illegals? State’s Rights.

Agreed.

In-state tuition? His unbigoted heart is in the right place.

Agreed.

Parolee deportation delay? ICE.

Since Texas cannot deport people, any delay in deportations would be ICE's responsibility.

Gardasil EO? Merck Big Buck contributions made him do it.
Running for president? Anita told him to run.


Got a link for those little admissions from Perry?

Reforms dead in Texas? It’s the dam Repub-controlled legislature.

Can't comment, do remember Perry was pushing for an end to sanctuary cities and it died in the legislature after some big money came out against it, don't remember anyone showing Perry killed it.
55 posted on 10/31/2011 6:31:33 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg; BobL
Perry was pushing for an end to sanctuary cities but the measure died in the legislature after big money came out against it.............don't remember anyone showing Perry killed it.

Well, Perry's not going to advertise on TV that he colluded with special interests to kill a reform measure.

Keep in mind, that a Repub governor has total control of a Repub legislature. He can do a lot of harm to them if they go against his wishes.

Apparently here---the legislature WAS doing Perry's wishes------ by killing the bill.

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Here's a clue: find out who was lobbying against the reform measure---then check and see what govt goody Perry rewarded the lobbyists with:

Appointments to choice committees? Their own govt agency? Grant$$ from the governor's office? Lucrative govt contracts? A policy change in Austin that benefitted someone's special interest?

You might also check legislators' campaign contributions --- that's a Big Clue as to who was colluding with who.

56 posted on 10/31/2011 6:59:03 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz
Keep in mind, that a Repub governor has total control of a Repub legislature.

Not in Texas. The Lt. Gov. has more power over the legislature.

Here's a clue: find out who was lobbying against the reform measure---then check and see what govt goody Perry rewarded the lobbyists with:

So in other words, a Perry donor came out against the sanctuary bill, so we are to assume that Perry was also against the bill.

Got any links for the two I asked you about?
57 posted on 10/31/2011 7:04:40 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg

Links?

Oh, please these items have been all over FR. People who post here are very well-informed and know how to use the site to keep up.

One more thing——I suggest you learn the protocols of this site.


58 posted on 10/31/2011 7:11:28 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Liz

Which “protocol” am I violating, the one that says asking you to support your claim is wrong? Please provide the link that says Perry “blamed” his Merck contributions for his Gardisil decision. If it’s been all over FR, it shouldn’t be hard to find, right?


59 posted on 10/31/2011 7:15:13 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: Fantasywriter

La Raza simply means, “THE RACE”


60 posted on 10/31/2011 8:07:39 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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