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US States Are Facing Total Debt of Over $4 Trillion (Give or take a few Trillion.)
CNBC ^ | 10/24/11 | Reuters

Posted on 10/25/2011 12:35:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

The total of U.S. state debt, including pension liabilities, could surpass $4 trillion, with California owing the most and Vermont owing the least, a new analysis says.

The nonprofit State Budget Solutions combined states' major debt and future liabilities, primarily for pensions and employee healthcare, unemployment insurance loans, outstanding bonds and projected fiscal 2011 budget gaps. It found that in total, states are in debt for $4.2 trillion.

The group, which follows state fiscal conditions and advocates for limited spending and taxes, said the deficit calculations that states make "do not offer a full picture of the states' liabilities and can rely on budget gimmicks and accounting games to hide the extent of the deficit."

The housing bust, financial crisis and economic recession .. caused states' tax revenue to plunge, and huge holes have emerged in their budgets over the last few years. Because all states except Vermont must end their fiscal years with balanced budgets, states have scrambled to cut spending, hike taxes, borrow and turn to the federal government for help.

Taxpayers are worried the states' poor fiscal health will persist for a long time and some Republicans in Congress have questioned whether the situation is worse than the states say.

State Budget Solutions relied on financial reports and income tax rates provided by the Federation of Tax Administrators in determining its rankings.

The true debt totals may be lower, though, because the group also used the highest estimates of pension gaps. The conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute says public pensions are short $2.8 trillion.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blue; broke; debt; facing; pensions; rats; spending; states; total; trillion; trillions; unions

1 posted on 10/25/2011 12:35:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

This doesn’t include the other local city and county govt obligations.


2 posted on 10/25/2011 12:38:38 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: NormsRevenge

“The housing bust, financial crisis and economic recession .. caused states’ tax revenue to plunge, and huge holes have emerged in their budgets over the last few years.”

This sentence should have started with “Incompetence, rising to the level of high treason, caused states’...........”


3 posted on 10/25/2011 12:39:21 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Government Unions 101: What Public-Sector Unions Won’t Tell You
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2682044/posts
Poll: Public unions a hard sell (64% of Americans oppose public-sector unions)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2676051/posts
The First 10 City Pensions That Will Run Out Of Money
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2647985/posts
Coming collapse of state pensions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2662170/posts
Better Than Bankruptcy: Trim Fat State Pensions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2674906/posts

courtesy of the same communist gubmint unions who brought Greece and Italy to their knees...


4 posted on 10/25/2011 12:46:13 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: NormsRevenge

Anybody know why Vermont does so well? It’s such a lefty state, I am surprised it isn’t in financial trouble. Perhaps all 3 VT Freepers could enlighten us. ;-)


5 posted on 10/25/2011 12:49:48 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Where is the list? The source does not give the information based on state. I want to know how my state came out.


6 posted on 10/25/2011 12:54:08 PM PDT by TN4Bush
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To: Pining_4_TX
Here is a link to the source organization.

http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/report-reveals-aggregate-state-debt-exceeds-4-trillion-2

Despite the high state debt levels, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Wyoming maintained positions at the very top of the list this year. Many of these states at the top of the list ranked very well across the board.

In predicting states' future economic performance, New York, Vermont, Maine, California, and Hawaii scored the lowest in the rankings.

Looks like Vermont is balancing their books on the backs of their children.
7 posted on 10/25/2011 1:38:47 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: TN4Bush

Using the higher pension gap number, State Budget Solutions said California is in the biggest financial hole — with total debt of more than $612 billion. New York follows with $305 billion of debt, and then Texas, with total debt of $283 billion. Vermont has the lowest amount of total debt at just over $6 billion.
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According to the analysis, California has also borrowed the most from the federal government to pay for unemployment benefits, $8.6 billion. Michigan was next, taking out $3.1 billion, and then New York, borrowing $2.9 billion.
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Connecticut has the highest debt per capita, at $5,402, and nine states have debt of more than $3,000 per capita.


8 posted on 10/25/2011 1:57:38 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Texas, with total debt of $283 billion.

Wednesday, October 5, 2011 Ogden: State has $1.8 billion surplus

Hmmm......

9 posted on 10/25/2011 2:26:46 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: Sarajevo

Apples, Oranges.

Balance sheet:
Texas, with total debt of $283 billion.

Current year results:
Wednesday, October 5, 2011 Ogden: State has $1.8 billion surplus.

Looks like you could use an accounting course.


10 posted on 10/25/2011 10:37:03 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa
Looks like you could use an accounting course.

If it's over 10 fingers and 20 toes, fuggedabodit ;)

11 posted on 10/26/2011 1:48:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: TN4Bush

See comment #7. douginthearmy provided a link.

Freegards,
Pining


12 posted on 10/26/2011 4:53:22 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: douginthearmy

Thanks! I knew there must be an explanation. The laws of economics are like the law of gravity. The longer you defy them, the harder the landing. :-)


13 posted on 10/26/2011 4:54:45 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Sarajevo

20 toes? You born in the shadow of a nuke plant?

Don’t need toes. You got a computer! It can do the accounting and math if you ask it nicely. ;)


14 posted on 10/26/2011 10:23:06 PM PDT by tdscpa
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