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Herman Cain: Karl Rove’s trying to talk down my campaign
Hotair ^ | 10/24/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 10/24/2011 2:09:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

After a week of feeble attempts at damage control, he’s finally hit on a savvier approach.

“It’s a good thing the voters are not looking at Karl Rove’s little whiteboard,” Cain said in a phone conversation from a stop in Chicago Monday afternoon. “I believe it is a deliberate attempt to damage me because I am not, quote unquote, the establishment choice. But why not go with the choice that the people seem to like?”

Cain accused Rove of bias in favor of candidates with big organizations, lots of money, and prior experience in political office — all things Cain doesn’t have. “What has Karl Rove done?” Cain continued. “If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me. It makes no sense unless it’s a deliberate attempt on his part to try to push me down so that the candidate he wants rises to the top.”

When asked which candidate he believes Rove supports, Cain said, “I believe he wants Romney to get it.”

Follow the last link for Rove’s reply. (Sample quote: “[H]e should not expect everybody to be cheerleading every mistake he makes.”) The inspiration for this exchange was Rove appearing on Fox News this morning to make the obvious-to-the-point-of-being prosaic point that one only gets so many flubs as a candidate before people start to wonder. True enough, and it’d be no less true or obvious if Rove hadn’t made it. But because he did, Cain suddenly has a high-profile foil he can use to motivate grassroots conservatives to stick with him through the recent rough patch. He couldn’t have asked for a better one, either: Thanks to his status as a consummate Beltway insider, his Bush-ian big-spending “compassionate conservatism” pedigree, his scrapes with Palin and Christine O’Donnell, and his reputation as the ultimate Machiavellian strategist, Rove’s become almost as much of a Snidely Whiplash character among tea partiers as he was among the left for eight years. Cain’s working straight off of the Palin playbook here by wearing the scorn of the ultimate establishment Republican/RINO as a badge of authenticity. It’s probably his best shot at consolidating his support right now, unless and until he starts using some of his recent fundraising windfall to build a real organization in early primary states. Which … still hasn’t happened yet.

Two exit questions. One: In the excerpt shown below, Cain says he was distracted during Wolf Blitzer’s question about Gilad Shalit and didn’t instantly make the connection that Blitzer was proposing trading terrorists at Gitmo for an American POW. Okay, but in that case, what sort of prisoners did he think Blitzer had in mind? Netanyahu did, of course, swap terrorists for Shalit. Was Cain thinking of common federal convicts instead? Why would Al Qaeda want any of those? Two: Which dastardly scheming RINO said the following today of Cain’s performance lately?

But the [Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan] shtick is a glimpse of the greater truth – that there are whole areas of public policy in which he simply has no interest. None. You ask him a question and from the recesses of his mind swim up half-recalled phrases from some panel discussion he caught once long ago, and he hopes he grabs the conservative line (“I’m proud to stand by Israel”, “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”, “life begins at conception”, whatever) but just as often he doesn’t (with Gretchen Carlson this morning: “No, abortion should not be a part of the political discussion”).

His fans say he’s being set up with “Gotcha” questions. But these aren’t the Hoogivsastans way out on the fringe of the public policy map. They’re the first stops on the central thruway of American politics, and have been for most of Cain’s adult life. And it’s becoming harder to avoid the obvious truth that he hasn’t given them a moment’s thought.

It would be nice to have a candidate with a sunny demeanor who gets the urgency and understands the way fiscal insolvency, foreign affairs and social policy interact. But maybe from a talent pool of 200 million or so that’s an unreasonable expectation.

Hint: Not Karl Rove!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backstabberromney; backstabberrove; cain; hermancain; karlrove; romney; rove4romney

1 posted on 10/24/2011 2:09:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Rove needs to join Willard’s campaign and be done with it. Cain has got it right and, hopefully, the voters will agree.


2 posted on 10/24/2011 2:12:13 PM PDT by CASchack
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To: SeekAndFind


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3 posted on 10/24/2011 2:12:35 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: CASchack

Rove is waiting to see if Perry can pull it out. He does not want to sign on to a sinking ship.


4 posted on 10/24/2011 2:17:03 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: CASchack

Rove needs to open up his books so we can see who his clients are - how much he is being paid and for what.


5 posted on 10/24/2011 2:18:27 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep. Good ole Karl Rove, eternal spokesman for the Establishment. Herman Cain is their worst nightmare! And Herman Cain is our best hope!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQw7MyPrwJA


6 posted on 10/24/2011 2:20:07 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: cableguymn
Rove “stinks on ice” and looks out for Rove. Just wondering, is Rove getting “under the table” money from the Obamabots to tear down the best GOP candidates?
7 posted on 10/24/2011 2:27:39 PM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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Rove had nothing to do with the Republicans winning in 2010.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 2:29:57 PM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Paperdoll

9 posted on 10/24/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
Karl Rove, establishment sell out, deserves to be run against; he is a mixture of an insider beltway politico and a tawdry villain. I hope Cain sticks a fork in him.

I also hope Cain is smart enough to get an in depth conservative (Reaganesque)foreign policy expert to help him in the campaign. He will need good advice, it's one of the ways Mittens, the media, and the Obamunists will go after him.

10 posted on 10/24/2011 2:37:04 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
Herman needs to spend some quality time with the likes of John Bolton and Dick Cheney and have them suggest the best foreign policy advisers.

Bolton must be the next Sec. of State!

11 posted on 10/24/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cain should ignore Rove. Why feed the ego of a hasbeen?


12 posted on 10/24/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( (FUBO-FUMR!))
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To: justsaynomore
What does it take to win in Iowa?

I keep hearing about not being able to win without an “organization”.

Are Iowans that political that they are swayed by politics and not message?

What can we do, who support Cain, to help him in Iowa?

As Conservatives, we need to caucus ourselves to show that we the people speak....not Pundits, not the MSM and not folks like Karl Rove, Brit Hume, Charles Krauthammer and the rest of the “Herman Cain Can't Get Elected”.

I just listened to “The Five” on FNC and it was as though Herman Cain didn't even exist. I'm fighting mad!

13 posted on 10/24/2011 3:12:49 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: smoothsailing
Since your boy Perry is scratching and clawing to stomp all over Cain, why in the heck Would any Cain supporter care what you have to say?
14 posted on 10/24/2011 3:29:54 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. leader for America the Beautiful...)
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To: not2worry

Then send them an email. I send one everytime I hear their blathering.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html


15 posted on 10/24/2011 3:34:12 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: not2worry

Then send them an email. I send one everytime I hear their blathering.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html


16 posted on 10/24/2011 3:34:32 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: not2worry

Join the group in my link and connect to Iowa groups there - that is the biggest network of volunteers. Also, connect on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Iowa.DraftCain.org/


17 posted on 10/24/2011 3:42:00 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: not2worry

Oh, and FReeper Kingattax is a person to connect to volunteer too


18 posted on 10/24/2011 3:46:10 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: not2worry

I contacted them about Beckel’s sexist remarks and never got a reply. For some reason Fox has changed. I think the owner got nailed in England so he’s running scared here.

As for Rove, he’s another one of Hannity’s “good friends”. Along with Sharpton.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: sodpoodle

Barry has set the standard regarding open books. I’d play by the Dem games and not reveal a damn thing except who initiated the policy to hide his crooked foreign ass.


20 posted on 10/24/2011 4:02:58 PM PDT by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: SeekAndFind
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21 posted on 10/24/2011 4:13:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: WellyP

He certainly has no use for, or is afraid of, the The Tea Party candidates.


22 posted on 10/24/2011 4:55:31 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: smoothsailing

Unfortunately, a lot of Christian conservatives watch Fox and may believe the “Cain is pro-abortion” garbage that’s being put out there. He cannot let these lies stand.


23 posted on 10/24/2011 5:01:34 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: cableguymn

Rove is probably the middle man with the message from the Establishment to FOX news. Now FOX is no better than CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC! Does anyone else have the feeling that more and more bad news is hitting the U.S. faster and faster? At this rate I doubt there will even be an election.

You know, I get two to three calls per day where no one says a word. I *69 ed one and it was area code 202, Washington DC! So I Googled it and it was the -—! Since that they’ve given the operators notice not to put my calls through to them, nor to reveal their number again! d This has been going on for years! I thought it was my ex-husband!


24 posted on 10/24/2011 6:09:47 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: cableguymn

Rove is probably the middle man with the message from the Establishment to FOX news. Now FOX is no better than CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC! Does anyone else have the feeling that more and more bad news is hitting the U.S. faster and faster? At this rate I doubt there will even be an election.

You know, I get two to three calls per day where no one says a word. I *69 ed one and it was area code 202, Washington DC! So I Googled it and it was the -—! Since that they’ve given the operators notice not to put my calls through to them, nor to reveal their number again! d This has been going on for years! I thought it was my ex-husband!


25 posted on 10/24/2011 6:09:47 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: SeekAndFind

And Newt is playing the gave with Rove by challenging Cain to a one on one debate. Who will choose the subjects to be debnatd? You can bet yout last dollar the Establishment will hap[p8ily perform that little service!


26 posted on 10/24/2011 6:19:29 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain)
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To: samantha
Since your boy Perry is scratching and clawing to stomp all over Cain, why in the heck Would any Cain supporter care what you have to say?

I do support Perry, but he's not my boy. I'll support whoever our eventual nominee is, except for Romney or Paul.

Nobody is obligated to pay any attention to me, but I'll still state my opinion.

So why are you being so nasty?

27 posted on 10/24/2011 6:25:06 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( FUBO-FUMR!)
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To: smoothsailing
I don't believe I was nasty, I was being truthful judging by your previous posts pushing Perry constantly. What, he is your guy,not boy?

SP is not running, but she would have been my gal,or girl,my candidate.

Herman Cain is my Guy(candidate) now, because he is not an insider, he has so many Presidential attributes. He shows leadership with humility, and I really like him. You could have said Cain is not my candidate,but Rove is a just a paid hack always prostituting himself. That would have been fine.

28 posted on 10/24/2011 6:51:06 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. leader for America the Beautiful...)
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To: samantha
You could have said Cain is not my candidate,but Rove is a just a paid hack always prostituting himself. That would have been fine.

I had no way of knowing what you would approve of, I didn't even know you existed. So I just posted what I posted. It was not offensive in any way and did not deserve the reply it got from you.

In any event, if you promote Cain or push his candidacy, I can assure you I will not mind. He seems to be a decent fellow.

29 posted on 10/24/2011 7:09:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( FUBO-FUMR!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Herman Cain: Karl Rove’s trying to talk down my campaign

Not to worry Herman.
Rove talks down everybody's camapaign except the good-old-boy business-as-usual club.

Romney is his pick, thence not mine under any circumstances. The natives are restless, equally fed up with both "parties."
Forget Palin and Bachman and until recently Perry.

The claim to have decades of "experience" at politics for me disqualifies most of Rove's choices. They are all, without exception, players in the ineptitude that created Obama.

And the beat rolls on.

30 posted on 10/24/2011 7:45:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw Rove this weekend, pull out his stupid board and go after Cain like I haven’t seen since he smeared Christine O’Donnell. Or Palin.

Rove is not on our side.
Rove is a political arsonist. Not a conservative.


31 posted on 10/24/2011 7:50:48 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: smoothsailing
Since you do not indicate your candidate in your tag line, Would it not make sense to say that you support someone else?

You may not be guilty like most of the Perry supporters, but they hung out and trolled on all the SP threads, and acted like they did not have a dog in the hunt. They are now trolling on the Herman Cain threads the same way. They make The Paul crazies seem almost sane.

I have not seen you have antagonistic posts about Cain or Palin, but you are in the minority of the Perry supporters. That is why I said what I did. It was to avoid the slamming of Cain that I felt was coming. If you did not intend to slam Cain, you are indeed unique.

32 posted on 10/24/2011 9:56:04 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. leader for America the Beautiful...)
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