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In spotlight, Herman Cain survives Attacks
politico.com ^ | 10/12/11 | Staff

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:56:29 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

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To: Huck

Who is your candidate?


51 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:04 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
There you go again.

Thank you. Reagan's response is very apropos.

52 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: caww

Indeed. Newt is the thinking persons candidate and would probably make a really good president.


53 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:04 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Cain needs to drop the 999 plan toot sweet. It will be seen by Joe Public as a “scheme”. In 2000, Bush successfully nailed Gore on his “tax scheme” and “lockbox” talk in each debate.


54 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:26 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

My understanding is that 999 is a transitional system to a fair tax, which would be preferable to any other (IMO).

Tax consumption, not income. And make it COMPLETELY transparent as to what you’re paying. This takes power away from the government and puts it back in the hands of the people.


55 posted on 10/12/2011 5:54:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: org.whodat

what? you are now denying Perry grew up on a farm in west Texas?

ROFL


56 posted on 10/12/2011 5:54:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: dubyagee
You know, maybe it’s not perfect, but it is a plan

And it's DOA. He'll never get elected with it.

...and that’s a HECK of a lot more than anyone else is putting on the table!

Where did you get that idea? I've been to the candidates websites. They all have plans and proposals on all the major issues.

57 posted on 10/12/2011 5:54:59 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: TomGuy

I gotta give Santorum credit. He was the only one I saw who really went after nein-nein-nein.


58 posted on 10/12/2011 5:56:04 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; All

“And he is obviously counting on conservatives reluctantly supporting him in the general.”

Mr. Romney is making a false assumption then. He will never get my vote in a general election.....even if it means four more years of the Obamination of Desolation. In my 57 years I have always voted for the Republican POTUS nominee in the general election. However, it wasn’t until Reagans second term that I started to consider myself a Republican...was essentially independent before. I may go back to the independent status again. I demand a social/moral/fiscal/hawkish consevative from the GOP if they want my vote this time. No more party loyalty.

I’m afraid that I have become passe in what I demand.


59 posted on 10/12/2011 5:57:10 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jgge

Wait until he tells them it’s a stepping stone to a 30% consumption tax. Cain has no chance. 9-9-9 makes him unelectable. If the Tea Party makes this mistake, like they did with Christine O’Donnell, and Sharon Angle, then they will reap what they sow.


60 posted on 10/12/2011 5:58:11 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: cblue55
Having kids of my own, I feel your pain. I will not vote for Romney...he is no different from Obama. Just look at MA.

That being said, I'm in NJ and my vote doesn't matter anyway.

61 posted on 10/12/2011 6:00:45 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (It Could Have Been Worse Is Not A Defense For Bad Policy)
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To: dubyagee

Cain needs to “stay out of the weeds” on this tax plan.
Just keep stating he’s for significant tax reform that takes power from Washington and puts it in the hands of the people.


62 posted on 10/12/2011 6:03:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
No fool, he said that he grew up a tenant farmer. As I understand it, his family owned a cotton plantation that had been in the family for years. That is what people in the south call “landed gentry”. Not a tenant farmer. Poor old dirt farmers did not get to go to aggie land in those days.
63 posted on 10/12/2011 6:04:59 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Huck

Cain’s not selling 9-9-9. It’s DOA and will never pass either House. What he is selling is the Big Idea - radical tax reform.

He’s brilliantly projecting to the markets and the people who matter - the producers - that they can expect a president who will pull the shackles off them.


64 posted on 10/12/2011 6:05:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Huck

Reid won because of a good ground game in Nevada and Angel pissing off the right people who ran off to the polls to defeat her. There isn’t a prayers chance for Obama. But if the nominee of Romney or Perry then the conservatives will be split and it will help him.


65 posted on 10/12/2011 6:06:36 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: org.whodat

Lol ! You been cruising HuffPo again!


66 posted on 10/12/2011 6:08:18 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Huck

How about a link to a comparable plan by one of the other candidates (Romney not included—I will not vote for a pub in name only) — one that simplifies the tax code and eventually abolishes the IRS. Seriously. I will take a look.


67 posted on 10/12/2011 6:10:55 AM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I agree with you. People are making a mistake to count Perry out. These so called debates by liberals are designed to favor Romney. I will not vote for him. I hate Cain’s 999 plan. Actually I doubt many voters watched last night since that channel is not readily available. It was very telling to listen to the reports outside discussing “income redistribution”.


68 posted on 10/12/2011 6:12:08 AM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: Steely Tom
Excellent only get rid of the DOE. Coulter as PS is so good!
69 posted on 10/12/2011 6:12:33 AM PDT by angcat (NEW YORK YANKEES!)
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To: Huck
Have you actually read the details of the Fair Tax and all the studies behind it? You don't think the Laffer Curve will play a role in setting the rate based on sound market principles? You don't foresee large corporations bringing back ALL of their foreign revenue when they realize they don't have to pay taxes on it?

It's very one dimensional to talk about only the rate and not consider the overall economic impact. Rate and revenue are two different things and one does not necessarily drive the other which is why lower rates drive higher tax revenues.

70 posted on 10/12/2011 6:14:07 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“He’s not done for, but it took 3 debates to destroy Perry, and it will probably take 3 to destroy Cain.”

Perry wasn´t “destroyed”, he shot himself in the foot. Repeatedly. In the end, he just couldn´t stem the blood loss.

In comparison, pushing an overly radical tax plan in the primaries is a small problem, it´s something you can flip-flop out of with some “adjustments”.

Regardless of how this turns out, we´re lucky to have Cain in it so it doesn´t turn into a Romney promenade.


71 posted on 10/12/2011 6:14:16 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: org.whodat

lol

wow seriously you need to get your head examined, if you think Perry didn’t grow up poor on a farm in west Texas. And A&M is a STATE school with extremely low tuition.


72 posted on 10/12/2011 6:15:27 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Huck
Cain’s even worse. 9-9-9 will be DOA—before it ever reaches Congress. The general electorate will resoundingly reject it. He’s wedded himself to it, it’s what his campaign is all about, and it’s a stone cold loser.

IMHO that would only strengthen Cain's hand because he would then start cutting and would actually have the guts to follow through on it. think about how many times GOP pols have promised to abolish turkeys like NPR and the Dept. of Education, only to end up increasing their funding.

I also believe the 9-9-9 plan would be tied to a repeal of the 16th amendment just like the Fair Tax. And with all of the others poking fun at his plan I didn't hear anyone coming up with an alternative.

73 posted on 10/12/2011 6:17:20 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: jgge
You cannot win elections when you are telling the 50% of the population who pay zero taxes after filing all their deductions under the current tax code that they have to pay a mandatory 9% taxes on their income with zero deductions and an additional 9% national sales tax on every item they purchase including the basic items such as food and clothing.

I think a significant number of those folks vote Democrat, anyway. Not all, but a lot.

74 posted on 10/12/2011 6:17:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
His father, was a life long demorat, and was a county commissioner. LOL poor people do not have a thousand +++ acre deer hunting lease.
75 posted on 10/12/2011 6:24:08 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Smokin' Joe

True many are democrats but also many are Republicans and many are independents. Also among those who pay taxes and may pay slightly less under Cain plan many are democrat voters and they are not going to vote for Cain no matter what. The 999 tax plan is a political disaster.


76 posted on 10/12/2011 6:26:02 AM PDT by jgge
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Cain / Greenspan 2012 ! : )


77 posted on 10/12/2011 6:28:59 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Cain has weathered it all! That's part of the beauty of the man!

Any man who has survived poverty, cancer, racial discrimination, the corporate world, and everything else will certainly not be daunted by a bunch of milquetoast Republicans!

The Democrats are another matter. They will stop at NOTHING! This situation is very dangerous. They are brutal. They are violent. There is no limit to the depths to which they will sink. And most dangerous of all: they abhor truth, and Cain is armed with it.

Cain is a man of enormous strength, depth, intelligence, resourcefulness--he is brilliant!--but the Democrats, their henchpersons, their Propaganda Machine (the MSM) will literally do ANYTHING to stop Herman Cain and the truth he represents!

He's going to need all the help he can get! And then some!

But if anybody can prevail over American Decadence and those who are drowning in it, it's Herman Cain.

78 posted on 10/12/2011 6:32:57 AM PDT by Savage Beast (America's best hope is the Left's worst nightmare: Herman Cain!)
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To: Steely Tom
"Cain/Gingrich would be awesome"

And not just awesome! Downright peachy!

That's my first choice too!

The Double Peach Ticket!

79 posted on 10/12/2011 6:34:59 AM PDT by Savage Beast (America's best hope is the Left's worst nightmare: Herman Cain!)
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To: Huck
I gotta give Santorum credit. He was the only one I saw who really went after nein-nein-nein.

When Santorum asked the audience to react to those two questions about 999, and got dead silence, that was devastating to 999.


80 posted on 10/12/2011 6:35:28 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jgge

“The 999 tax plan is a political disaster.”

That depends on how many Americans are willing to actually sacrifice a bit to save their country. I hope sufficient numbers are smart enough to realize the prosperity and beneficial side effects this would bring in the long run would more than make up for any temporary pain...

The true leeches are a lost cause anyhow.


81 posted on 10/12/2011 6:38:18 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Cain '12 - Take Back America!!!)
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To: Huck

What I really want is for Cain and his staff to issue on his website, a Q&A on his 9-9-9 plan IN RESPONSE TO CRITICS ( many of them existing here in the FR forum ).

There are so many issues left unanswered which a 30 second response cannot do justice to.

For instance:

1) How does it affect the life of a low income at or below or even a little above poverty level wage earner?

He ought to put some good a solid sample tax calculations on his website for people like these.

2) How will it affect the total price of goods and services?

3) How will it affect small businesses, will it make it more expensive or less expensive for them to do business?

4) It adds a new tax, which is a temptation to congress to turn it into a complicated pile of dung.

NOTE: Cain’s answer to #4 above was three-fold : A) A 2/3 majority will be required to increase any of the above number ‘9’; B) It won’t happen as long as he’s president; C) The vigilance of the people will ensure that this won’t happen.

Many still have their reservations ( as Bachmann said last night, if you turn the ‘9’ around the devil is in the details ). Firstly, Cain won’t be president forever, so any future Congress can monkey around with it after he’s gone. secondly, the 2/3 clause can be waived by a future Democrat Congress. I guess that leaves our vigilance as the last line of defense.

If Cain does not do it, his plan ( especially the federal sales tax portion ) will be attacked. Ric Santorum already tested this last night when he asked the people of New Hampshire if anyone of them want a sales tax ( no one raised their hands ).


82 posted on 10/12/2011 6:38:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: org.whodat

west texas land is worthless, you can buy it to this day for about $1 per acre, I know because my family owned a 10,000 ranch in west texas.

It’s basically rocky desert.


83 posted on 10/12/2011 6:39:03 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: 1010RD; Huck

“Cain’s not selling 9-9-9. It’s DOA and will never pass either House. What he is selling is the Big Idea - radical tax reform.”

Exactly. I have a suspicion that was the *sole* reason he ran and that he never expected to be a front runner. No matter who gets elected, this issue is now in the forefront and cannot be ignored. RINOmney will be forced to address it with something more than a 57 point tweak of the current, broken system.


84 posted on 10/12/2011 6:40:02 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Huck

He’s the only person running that has a large amount of enthusiastic supporters behind him. Anybody want Romney? Besides liberal and the inside the beltway crowd?

Anybody want Perry except a few here on FR that seem to think that Texas automatically equals conservative?

Newt would be great and I’d vote for him if I thought it would do any damned good at all. Of the top three, the only one that causes any excitement is Cain.


85 posted on 10/12/2011 6:40:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: Huck

you’re a fraud...stop propagandizing. I’m guessing you support Romney.


86 posted on 10/12/2011 6:40:38 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Steely Tom

RE: Cain/Gingrich would be awesome

You realize they’re both GEORGIANS and the 12th Amendment will make this combo impossible.


87 posted on 10/12/2011 6:40:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Huck

I totally agree with the Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angel analogy here. The RED MEAT crowds got their wish and nominated these two but at the end they lost badly in two states that we were supposed to win if we nominated someone else. The RED MEAT crowd can pull this disaster again with Cain but this time it would be a far worst electoral defeat because it is on a national level and if they cannot get to nominate Cain they will certainly and indirectly get us Romney because he will be the winner of all this and Romney is also an assured loser against Obama.


88 posted on 10/12/2011 6:42:40 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Mr. K

He is the ONLY person on that stage I would like to see advance
Cain/Gingrich would be awesome
Sarah Palin as Energy Secretary
Ann Coulter as Press Secretary.
Thomas Sowell: Economics
Walter Williams: Education
Ted Nugent- Sec. of Defense.

That lineup is super. I was thinking how great Sowell and Williams would fit in a Cain administration. Walter is 75 and probably Sowell the same so I don’t think it would happen..

Nugent is a great idea at Defense.

I saw Herman on Greta last night after the debate and he seemed so subdued that it bothered me. Maybe he was just tired but there weren’t any smiles or jokes. Didn’t see the debate so I have no idea if he was displeased with that.


89 posted on 10/12/2011 6:43:25 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

FWIW, Sowell is older than Williams.


90 posted on 10/12/2011 6:44:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Huck

Cain should just go for the 9% flat income tax!


91 posted on 10/12/2011 6:45:53 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Huck

Did you actually read the linked article? While the opening paragraph mentions that Cain came out of last night’s debate undamaged, the rest of the article goes on to disparage his campaign.


92 posted on 10/12/2011 6:47:07 AM PDT by reegs
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To: Huck

Since you are so good at predicting the future, can you tell me what tonight’s lottery numbers are?

Seems the same predictions were made about the 65 Tea Party candidates last election. No Chance.

Pray for America


93 posted on 10/12/2011 6:47:53 AM PDT by bray (The Herman Cain is rising)
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To: muawiyah

We all must note that the LEFT COAST stayed uniformly Democrat ~ which is a long term problem we will probably need to address with re-education camps, or maybe cut off their water or something


That’s ok, I’ve got a well...go nuts.


94 posted on 10/12/2011 6:48:29 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: Rudder

Rick Perry.


95 posted on 10/12/2011 6:50:39 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Grey Eagle
It was very telling to listen to the reports outside discussing “income redistribution”.

Are you referring to the empowerment zones in Cain's 999 plan? If so, I'm glad to see some of the media is at least shedding light on that now.

96 posted on 10/12/2011 6:52:25 AM PDT by casinva (The stock in McDonalds has just gone down because Obama has been serving so many whoppers.)
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To: RockyMtnMan; Huck

“You don’t foresee large corporations bringing back ALL of their foreign revenue when they realize they don’t have to pay taxes on it?”

Having worked as a tax consultant for Big 4, I can guarantee you they will onshore revenue, and fast. Cain has been in these discussions in the corporate world and he knows darn well that our tax code is part of what is killing us.

The problem is that most “conservatives,” even here on FR, will be upset if the “poor” actually have to pay *any* tax whatsoever. Right now, if you don’t have a job, you get income tax “refunds” and the only tax you pay are state and local sales and use taxes. Yeah, those people are going to lose. Those people are going to vote Obama anyway.

Some who work and who pay *very* little in income tax will pay more. It’s about making taxes more fair across the board. If some freepers and the American people are too stupid to understand that this is why our system stinks, then they deserve the crappy system we have. The rest of us need to get off our bums and stop letting idiots, bums and the corrupt run our tax and economic system.


97 posted on 10/12/2011 6:55:38 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cblue55; Neverforget01

“I implore you to think through the notion that your staying home on election day is a good idea.”

The vast majority of FR will vote for the eventual nominee, no matter who it is and no matter what they say now. You’ve been here long enough to remember the last election and all of the declarations that “I will never vote for McCain.”

The site went for McCain in large numbers. They will say the same crap about Romney et al right up until election day. When someone with some pull posts a vanity that if you don’t vote for Romney, you aren’t a patriot or some such drivel.

For the record, I did not vote for McCain in 08, I hate that man. I will vote for the eventual nominee in 2012. What’s different this time? Obama. I didn’t think it would be this bad. I didn’t think it COULD be this bad. If you cannot bring yourself to vote against Obama....wow. What kind of selfish bullsquat is that?

Imagine Obama without the worry of re-election and a democrat House and Senate again. It could happen if you stay home.


98 posted on 10/12/2011 6:57:15 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Bingo! Texas your post #23 nails it.

I agree 100%. It’s unfortunate but true. The conservatives will give the nomination to the establishment candidate.


99 posted on 10/12/2011 6:58:14 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: TomGuy

I will admit, I was disappointed with Cain last night. Perry is done. Today, my favorite is Newt. Tomorrow, could be someone else. One thing is for sure, ANYONE BUT OBAMA. There isn’t a single one of them that is 1/100th as bad as the Marxist Kenyan. I will not sit home and I will vote for whoever the polls show has the best chance of beating that low life, Alinsky loving, Marxist, closet Muslim and homo, jug eared, string bean,community organizer. I WANT HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t care about Newts past, he won’t be a sissy boy like McCain. He will go after the Kenyan.


100 posted on 10/12/2011 7:00:33 AM PDT by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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