Skip to comments.In spotlight, Herman Cain survives Attacks
Posted on 10/12/2011 4:56:29 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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Who is your candidate?
Thank you. Reagan's response is very apropos.
Indeed. Newt is the thinking persons candidate and would probably make a really good president.
Cain needs to drop the 999 plan toot sweet. It will be seen by Joe Public as a “scheme”. In 2000, Bush successfully nailed Gore on his “tax scheme” and “lockbox” talk in each debate.
My understanding is that 999 is a transitional system to a fair tax, which would be preferable to any other (IMO).
Tax consumption, not income. And make it COMPLETELY transparent as to what you’re paying. This takes power away from the government and puts it back in the hands of the people.
what? you are now denying Perry grew up on a farm in west Texas?
And it's DOA. He'll never get elected with it.
...and thats a HECK of a lot more than anyone else is putting on the table!
Where did you get that idea? I've been to the candidates websites. They all have plans and proposals on all the major issues.
I gotta give Santorum credit. He was the only one I saw who really went after nein-nein-nein.
“And he is obviously counting on conservatives reluctantly supporting him in the general.”
Mr. Romney is making a false assumption then. He will never get my vote in a general election.....even if it means four more years of the Obamination of Desolation. In my 57 years I have always voted for the Republican POTUS nominee in the general election. However, it wasn’t until Reagans second term that I started to consider myself a Republican...was essentially independent before. I may go back to the independent status again. I demand a social/moral/fiscal/hawkish consevative from the GOP if they want my vote this time. No more party loyalty.
I’m afraid that I have become passe in what I demand.
Wait until he tells them it’s a stepping stone to a 30% consumption tax. Cain has no chance. 9-9-9 makes him unelectable. If the Tea Party makes this mistake, like they did with Christine O’Donnell, and Sharon Angle, then they will reap what they sow.
That being said, I'm in NJ and my vote doesn't matter anyway.
Cain needs to “stay out of the weeds” on this tax plan.
Just keep stating he’s for significant tax reform that takes power from Washington and puts it in the hands of the people.
Cain’s not selling 9-9-9. It’s DOA and will never pass either House. What he is selling is the Big Idea - radical tax reform.
He’s brilliantly projecting to the markets and the people who matter - the producers - that they can expect a president who will pull the shackles off them.
Reid won because of a good ground game in Nevada and Angel pissing off the right people who ran off to the polls to defeat her. There isn’t a prayers chance for Obama. But if the nominee of Romney or Perry then the conservatives will be split and it will help him.
Lol ! You been cruising HuffPo again!
How about a link to a comparable plan by one of the other candidates (Romney not included—I will not vote for a pub in name only) — one that simplifies the tax code and eventually abolishes the IRS. Seriously. I will take a look.
I agree with you. People are making a mistake to count Perry out. These so called debates by liberals are designed to favor Romney. I will not vote for him. I hate Cain’s 999 plan. Actually I doubt many voters watched last night since that channel is not readily available. It was very telling to listen to the reports outside discussing “income redistribution”.
It's very one dimensional to talk about only the rate and not consider the overall economic impact. Rate and revenue are two different things and one does not necessarily drive the other which is why lower rates drive higher tax revenues.
“Hes not done for, but it took 3 debates to destroy Perry, and it will probably take 3 to destroy Cain.”
Perry wasn´t “destroyed”, he shot himself in the foot. Repeatedly. In the end, he just couldn´t stem the blood loss.
In comparison, pushing an overly radical tax plan in the primaries is a small problem, it´s something you can flip-flop out of with some “adjustments”.
Regardless of how this turns out, we´re lucky to have Cain in it so it doesn´t turn into a Romney promenade.
wow seriously you need to get your head examined, if you think Perry didn’t grow up poor on a farm in west Texas. And A&M is a STATE school with extremely low tuition.
IMHO that would only strengthen Cain's hand because he would then start cutting and would actually have the guts to follow through on it. think about how many times GOP pols have promised to abolish turkeys like NPR and the Dept. of Education, only to end up increasing their funding.
I also believe the 9-9-9 plan would be tied to a repeal of the 16th amendment just like the Fair Tax. And with all of the others poking fun at his plan I didn't hear anyone coming up with an alternative.
I think a significant number of those folks vote Democrat, anyway. Not all, but a lot.
True many are democrats but also many are Republicans and many are independents. Also among those who pay taxes and may pay slightly less under Cain plan many are democrat voters and they are not going to vote for Cain no matter what. The 999 tax plan is a political disaster.
Cain / Greenspan 2012 ! : )
Any man who has survived poverty, cancer, racial discrimination, the corporate world, and everything else will certainly not be daunted by a bunch of milquetoast Republicans!
The Democrats are another matter. They will stop at NOTHING! This situation is very dangerous. They are brutal. They are violent. There is no limit to the depths to which they will sink. And most dangerous of all: they abhor truth, and Cain is armed with it.
Cain is a man of enormous strength, depth, intelligence, resourcefulness--he is brilliant!--but the Democrats, their henchpersons, their Propaganda Machine (the MSM) will literally do ANYTHING to stop Herman Cain and the truth he represents!
He's going to need all the help he can get! And then some!
But if anybody can prevail over American Decadence and those who are drowning in it, it's Herman Cain.
And not just awesome! Downright peachy!
That's my first choice too!
The Double Peach Ticket!
“The 999 tax plan is a political disaster.”
That depends on how many Americans are willing to actually sacrifice a bit to save their country. I hope sufficient numbers are smart enough to realize the prosperity and beneficial side effects this would bring in the long run would more than make up for any temporary pain...
The true leeches are a lost cause anyhow.
What I really want is for Cain and his staff to issue on his website, a Q&A on his 9-9-9 plan IN RESPONSE TO CRITICS ( many of them existing here in the FR forum ).
There are so many issues left unanswered which a 30 second response cannot do justice to.
1) How does it affect the life of a low income at or below or even a little above poverty level wage earner?
He ought to put some good a solid sample tax calculations on his website for people like these.
2) How will it affect the total price of goods and services?
3) How will it affect small businesses, will it make it more expensive or less expensive for them to do business?
4) It adds a new tax, which is a temptation to congress to turn it into a complicated pile of dung.
NOTE: Cain’s answer to #4 above was three-fold : A) A 2/3 majority will be required to increase any of the above number ‘9’; B) It won’t happen as long as he’s president; C) The vigilance of the people will ensure that this won’t happen.
Many still have their reservations ( as Bachmann said last night, if you turn the ‘9’ around the devil is in the details ). Firstly, Cain won’t be president forever, so any future Congress can monkey around with it after he’s gone. secondly, the 2/3 clause can be waived by a future Democrat Congress. I guess that leaves our vigilance as the last line of defense.
If Cain does not do it, his plan ( especially the federal sales tax portion ) will be attacked. Ric Santorum already tested this last night when he asked the people of New Hampshire if anyone of them want a sales tax ( no one raised their hands ).
west texas land is worthless, you can buy it to this day for about $1 per acre, I know because my family owned a 10,000 ranch in west texas.
It’s basically rocky desert.
“Cains not selling 9-9-9. Its DOA and will never pass either House. What he is selling is the Big Idea - radical tax reform.”
Exactly. I have a suspicion that was the *sole* reason he ran and that he never expected to be a front runner. No matter who gets elected, this issue is now in the forefront and cannot be ignored. RINOmney will be forced to address it with something more than a 57 point tweak of the current, broken system.
He’s the only person running that has a large amount of enthusiastic supporters behind him. Anybody want Romney? Besides liberal and the inside the beltway crowd?
Anybody want Perry except a few here on FR that seem to think that Texas automatically equals conservative?
Newt would be great and I’d vote for him if I thought it would do any damned good at all. Of the top three, the only one that causes any excitement is Cain.
you’re a fraud...stop propagandizing. I’m guessing you support Romney.
RE: Cain/Gingrich would be awesome
You realize they’re both GEORGIANS and the 12th Amendment will make this combo impossible.
I totally agree with the Christine ODonnell and Sharon Angel analogy here. The RED MEAT crowds got their wish and nominated these two but at the end they lost badly in two states that we were supposed to win if we nominated someone else. The RED MEAT crowd can pull this disaster again with Cain but this time it would be a far worst electoral defeat because it is on a national level and if they cannot get to nominate Cain they will certainly and indirectly get us Romney because he will be the winner of all this and Romney is also an assured loser against Obama.
He is the ONLY person on that stage I would like to see advance
Cain/Gingrich would be awesome
Sarah Palin as Energy Secretary
Ann Coulter as Press Secretary.
Thomas Sowell: Economics
Walter Williams: Education
Ted Nugent- Sec. of Defense.
That lineup is super. I was thinking how great Sowell and Williams would fit in a Cain administration. Walter is 75 and probably Sowell the same so I don’t think it would happen..
Nugent is a great idea at Defense.
I saw Herman on Greta last night after the debate and he seemed so subdued that it bothered me. Maybe he was just tired but there weren’t any smiles or jokes. Didn’t see the debate so I have no idea if he was displeased with that.
FWIW, Sowell is older than Williams.
Cain should just go for the 9% flat income tax!
Did you actually read the linked article? While the opening paragraph mentions that Cain came out of last night’s debate undamaged, the rest of the article goes on to disparage his campaign.
Since you are so good at predicting the future, can you tell me what tonight’s lottery numbers are?
Seems the same predictions were made about the 65 Tea Party candidates last election. No Chance.
Pray for America
We all must note that the LEFT COAST stayed uniformly Democrat ~ which is a long term problem we will probably need to address with re-education camps, or maybe cut off their water or something
That’s ok, I’ve got a well...go nuts.
Are you referring to the empowerment zones in Cain's 999 plan? If so, I'm glad to see some of the media is at least shedding light on that now.
“You don’t foresee large corporations bringing back ALL of their foreign revenue when they realize they don’t have to pay taxes on it?”
Having worked as a tax consultant for Big 4, I can guarantee you they will onshore revenue, and fast. Cain has been in these discussions in the corporate world and he knows darn well that our tax code is part of what is killing us.
The problem is that most “conservatives,” even here on FR, will be upset if the “poor” actually have to pay *any* tax whatsoever. Right now, if you don’t have a job, you get income tax “refunds” and the only tax you pay are state and local sales and use taxes. Yeah, those people are going to lose. Those people are going to vote Obama anyway.
Some who work and who pay *very* little in income tax will pay more. It’s about making taxes more fair across the board. If some freepers and the American people are too stupid to understand that this is why our system stinks, then they deserve the crappy system we have. The rest of us need to get off our bums and stop letting idiots, bums and the corrupt run our tax and economic system.
“I implore you to think through the notion that your staying home on election day is a good idea.”
The vast majority of FR will vote for the eventual nominee, no matter who it is and no matter what they say now. You’ve been here long enough to remember the last election and all of the declarations that “I will never vote for McCain.”
The site went for McCain in large numbers. They will say the same crap about Romney et al right up until election day. When someone with some pull posts a vanity that if you don’t vote for Romney, you aren’t a patriot or some such drivel.
For the record, I did not vote for McCain in 08, I hate that man. I will vote for the eventual nominee in 2012. What’s different this time? Obama. I didn’t think it would be this bad. I didn’t think it COULD be this bad. If you cannot bring yourself to vote against Obama....wow. What kind of selfish bullsquat is that?
Imagine Obama without the worry of re-election and a democrat House and Senate again. It could happen if you stay home.
Bingo! Texas your post #23 nails it.
I agree 100%. It’s unfortunate but true. The conservatives will give the nomination to the establishment candidate.
I will admit, I was disappointed with Cain last night. Perry is done. Today, my favorite is Newt. Tomorrow, could be someone else. One thing is for sure, ANYONE BUT OBAMA. There isn’t a single one of them that is 1/100th as bad as the Marxist Kenyan. I will not sit home and I will vote for whoever the polls show has the best chance of beating that low life, Alinsky loving, Marxist, closet Muslim and homo, jug eared, string bean,community organizer. I WANT HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t care about Newts past, he won’t be a sissy boy like McCain. He will go after the Kenyan.