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Krauthammer: Mid-election cycle SCOTUS ruling on ObamaCare a ‘win-win’ for president (Video)
TheDC ^ | October 1, 2011 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 10/01/2011 5:27:52 AM PDT by Rufus2007

One the best shots opponents of ObamaCare have at defeating the 2009 law isn’t its repeal through the legislative process. Instead, it is said the bill could be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court for its mandate requiring individuals to purchase health insurance. And that would force Obama or the next occupant of the White House to start all over on reforming health care.

However, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer doesn’t think that the judicial system acting on the issue and rendering judgment will be a bad thing for the president either way. On Friday’s “Special Report,” Krauthammer said either two of the possible outcomes would be a “win-win” for Obama.

“I think for Obama, it’s win-win,” Krauthammer said. “If it is upheld, then it will give something of a boost to public opinion because it will be seen as legitimate. It will help its legitimacy and at least slightly – marginally increase its popularity.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; krauthammer; obamacare; scotus; worstexcerptever
I have to respectfully disagree with Dr. Krauthammer on this one. Obama's ego won't let him take a ruling against the health care lightly. He'll melt down.
1 posted on 10/01/2011 5:28:00 AM PDT by Rufus2007
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To: Rufus2007

Krauthammer, totally wrong once again.


2 posted on 10/01/2011 5:29:50 AM PDT by Reagan69 (First they came for Sarah Palin and conservatives said nothing...)
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To: Rufus2007

Something happened to Krauthammer (or perhaps me). I used to agree with him 95% of the time. Now I almost never agree with him. He just sounds like an Obama fanboy — anything that happens seems, to him, like a good thing for the magic negro.


3 posted on 10/01/2011 5:31:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Rufus2007

4 posted on 10/01/2011 5:31:56 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Rufus2007

Well that’s it then, the states should immediatly motion to dismiss their cases because Krauthammer says overturning Obamacare will be good for his re-election. /rolleyes.


5 posted on 10/01/2011 5:36:52 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Rufus2007

Krauthammer is way off the deep end on this. Having Obamacare ruled unConstitutional in no way removes the negative aspects of the legislation from Obama. It simply more enhances the image of Obama being a failure as a leader.

I had read here at FR someone post the complete opposite to this opinion by Krauthammer and that the ruling would be a win/win for conservatives and I tend to much more agree with that. The opinion stated basically was that if the Courts rule that it is Constitutional then it makes overturning it legislatively more a major issue and if it is ruled unConsitutional then Obama is a failure and it makes keeping it overturned just as much an issue. (Sorry I do not know where this post is to pinfg to)

Basically as it is with most issues the reality is that either way this ruling goes it is up to both sides and the campaigns to make the ruling a win for them. The conservative base is very fired up over this issue and the left had been giving up defending it. I suspect this issue will be more a win for the right either way.

Still I pray that the Courts overturn Obamacare.


6 posted on 10/01/2011 5:37:01 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Reagan69

I agree with K’s points...If its ruled against or for, it will be off the table for discussion..which is a win for Obama as he will have better odds for the election without the albatross...Then he will just come back and do Obama care all over again.

Obamacare is one of the most energizing issues for voters..to have this ‘off the table “ for the election is a win for Obozo.
If the SC rules in favor, he will have accomplished a lot...and it will be harder to overturn even if its a Repb adminsitration and congress.


7 posted on 10/01/2011 5:37:55 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I highly doubt that Obamacare and healthcare will be off the table regardless of how the Court decides.


8 posted on 10/01/2011 5:39:28 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

If ruled against, the opposing candidate can simply make the case that Obama pushes through unconstitutional legislation and as a result, he can’t be trusted.


9 posted on 10/01/2011 5:44:10 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: ScottfromNJ

Yes, true, but not nearly as energizing as “ I will kill obamacare!”


10 posted on 10/01/2011 5:52:00 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Rufus2007

Is Krauthammer on drugs?

If the SCOTUS rules for it: yet more evidence of a tyrannical judiciary forcing the public to accept legislation it was vehemently against but Obama crammed it down our throats anyway.

If they rule against it: a major failure for Obama and the key legislation of his entire presidency.


11 posted on 10/01/2011 5:54:39 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
If the court throws obumblecare in the trash it proves that he is stupid and rammed through a bill that cost state taxpayers billions to comply with the law.

It isn't like states haven't been changing everything and spending money on it. How many private companies have totally changed their business plans to soften the blow of the stupid law that never should have passed?

This will just prove he is a stupid jackass and unfit for office.

12 posted on 10/01/2011 5:55:05 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Rufus2007

If I understand his reasoning, if it’s ruled unconstitutional because of the mandate, then Obama can say “I tried shaping the debate over the health care bill, but Congress forgot to include a severability clause, and now it’s gone.” That will get him off the hook?


13 posted on 10/01/2011 5:56:20 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
If they rule against it: a major failure for Obama and the key legislation of his entire presidency.

Well, don't forget, he was leading from behind throughout the whole thing. Pelosi and her minions were doing all the heavy lifting.

He'll try to blame Congress for getting the legislation wrong by leaving out the severability clause. Wouldn't put it past him.

14 posted on 10/01/2011 5:59:52 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Rufus2007
Hell -an Unconstitutional ruling would not only hurt Obama, it would further undermine Pelosi, Reid and many others who forced it into being by "deeming a vote to have occured" and stupoidly saying "we have to pass it to find out what's in it" or "it's way to beig and complicated to actually read - only a lawyer could understandit, so I'll just vote for it".

Seems like the only hazard for the country would be it being deemed constitutional - else, the Nation wins big time as Obama and the Dims suffer another humiliating (but well-deserved) trouncing at the voting boxes.

15 posted on 10/01/2011 5:59:55 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: TheBigIf

“I highly doubt that Obamacare and healthcare will be off the table regardless of how the Court decides.”

If the mandate is overturned, it’ll certainly become a major issue. With a major piece of healthcare law voided, the whole system is in chaos. Our candidate better be ready with a recovery plan.

If it’s not overturned, at the very least it’s back in the headlines. We can remind voters about the corrupt tactics the dems used to pass it, and the negative effect the law will have on debt, jobs, healthcare quality, etc.

I think it’s a win-win for the GOP.


16 posted on 10/01/2011 6:03:10 AM PDT by Tim n Texas
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To: TheBigIf

I wonder if the court can even get a decision out in time for the election..


17 posted on 10/01/2011 6:06:54 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Beagle8U

Good points.

But I wonder what he is up to? As glenn Beck says, “Watch the other hand.”


18 posted on 10/01/2011 6:08:45 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Rufus2007

The curse of intellegent men is their informed but wrong conclusions of reality.
Obamacare will destroy America and repeal or destroy is a win win for Americans.


19 posted on 10/01/2011 6:11:51 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservatism is on the rise, God bless the conservative tea party.)
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To: Rufus2007

He’s right. Obama will use it to run against the “right-wing” court. He’s attacked the court before, including in a state-of-the-union. He said the even leftist courts, like the Warren court, didn’t go far enough. He’d be satisfied either way and maybe more satisfied if it is struck down because it would set the stage for his actual goal of single payer.


20 posted on 10/01/2011 6:14:44 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton; GOP will find a way to lose.)
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To: Rufus2007

Let’s be clear -

If the SCOTUS rules it Constitutional - we don’t have a meaningful Constitution anymore. We no longer have a Federal government of “limited and enumerated powers”. If anything - this MOTIVATES the anti-socialist Americans. The final statement of “see what happens when you don’t pay attention.”

We have a central government of apparently unlimited powers.

If unemployment is not below 7% - a gay teenage Martian centipede will beat Obama. It is about the economy - not Obama’s socialism.

PA, MI, and Ohio voters have seen enough. THe Jews in FL - have seen enough. All the lieing media in the world is not going to save this clown.


21 posted on 10/01/2011 6:16:56 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Rufus2007

Krauthammer’s right. People here just feel obligated to disagree with him for some reason. If the Court rules it unconstitutional, it will become a rallying cry for liberals who must turn out to vote to assure an Obama victory — if for nothing else than to turn the Supreme Court liberal.


22 posted on 10/01/2011 6:17:35 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Given enough time, the primary function of any bureaucracy becomes the employment of its employees.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

EXACTLY! The fact that this is happening is clearly a warning sign!


23 posted on 10/01/2011 6:27:53 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: COBOL2Java

He’ll try to blame Congress, but the fact that brand name is seared into everyone’s mind as “ObamaCare” will make that quite difficult.


24 posted on 10/01/2011 6:31:10 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Rufus2007
The only way the judicial striking down of Obamacare is good for Obama is that it will be a "dead" campagne issue.

That's a stretch. "Mr President, will you champion a new health care reform bill that includes an individual mandate?

25 posted on 10/01/2011 6:41:52 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I understand you and understand Krauthammer. But the only worry for us is if Obamacare is defeated in the SCOTUS.

Up until the national elections in 2010 Obama’s poll numbers were nose diving. After the election, and the replacement of democrat House leadership with the Republicans they started to rise again. Why?

It’s not us, the Conservative Right, nor the Liberal Left that changed, it was the Mushy Middle. They were disturbed by the democrats by the Falll of 2010, enough to vote Republican again. Many voted against Obama and Pelosi by voting for their local House representative Republican candidate. While we didn’t grab the Senate, we came close. Gone is their 60 seat majority.

When it was all over, the Mushy Middle were satisfied that Obama and Pelosi were stopped and went back to American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.

The Mushy Middle doesn’t like Obamacare, but truly they don’t understand how dangerous it is; but day-by-day, word is getting out as deadlines approach, and companies drop health insurance as they forsee rising cost thaey cannot afford, etc. The Mushy Middle i going to get screwed.

If the Supremes defeat Obamacare, then that threat is over. If they sustain Obamacare, then the Republicans have a winning battle cry with which to garner Mushy Middle votes.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 6:51:13 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

[singing] the more you study the more you know, the more you know the more you forget, the more you forget the less you know, so why study?

Thanks Rufus2007.


27 posted on 10/01/2011 6:51:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Rufus2007

It seems like this will put focus on the Supreme Court and remind voters that we dare not let Obama be the one to appoint any more Justices. Also, rulings don’t take topics off of the table, ie look at abortion. Sometimes a ruling highlights and revs up discussion.


28 posted on 10/01/2011 7:05:29 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you build it, they will come and take it away from you..)
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To: SunkenCiv

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.


29 posted on 10/01/2011 7:11:02 AM PDT by Gee Wally
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To: Rufus2007; All

I don’t think this will be a win-win for Hussein.

SCOTUS ruling it is constitutional...well, it will still be unpopular with a political solution: defund the damnable atrocity. The Republican nominee can show over and over again how the conservatives in government want to apply the LAW-MAKING POWER OF CONGRESS (see: Article I, section 1) to the health of the nation. “We will repeal this unwise legislation.”

SCOTUS ruling it UNconstitutional...well, break out the sound bites and the celebrations Hussein held over this singular piece of legislation—the Republican nominee will be able to show constant reminders of how Hussein put the country through nearly 4 years of unconstitutional law—and how much it COST us in jobs, peace of mind, etc.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 7:27:41 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Rufus2007
I think the Dems want him to get it off the table one way or another. Does anyone think this idiocy would ever pass again. How many Democrats would vote for it again? I believe the dems have accepted the fact that it probably will be judged unconstitutional and if it isn't it will be repealed anyway. In short they are tired of defending the indefensible.
31 posted on 10/01/2011 7:50:05 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Rufus2007

Obamacare is the cornerstone of the AnointedIdiot’s foundation; as such, I respectfully disagree with Krauthammer’s assertion(s).


32 posted on 10/01/2011 8:45:50 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Rufus2007
Kill the monster. We will deal with Dr. Frankenstein at election time.

(that means Nancy Pelosi is Igor - kinda works, doesn't it?)

33 posted on 10/01/2011 8:47:01 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Am I too old to ask for emancipation from the "Federal Family"?? Sarah Palin)
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To: Rufus2007

I was listening and that is NOT what Kraut said. He said that obamaprobably considered it a win win.


34 posted on 10/01/2011 8:49:31 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Krauthammer, is ObamaCare good law or bad law? Your effing job is to explain that to the public. I am so sick and tired of “our” side. They are basically useless.
35 posted on 10/01/2011 9:32:32 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Krauthammer, Rove et. al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Rufus2007
“I think for Obama, it’s win-win,” Krauthammer said. “If it is upheld, then it will give something of a boost to public opinion because it will be seen as legitimate.

No, it won't be considered legitimate, the Supreme Court will be viewed as failing to correctly interpret the Constitution.

36 posted on 10/01/2011 5:40:23 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: BfloGuy
If the Court rules it unconstitutional, it will end Obama’s Presidency as not accomplishing anything constructive.
37 posted on 10/01/2011 5:42:54 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Rufus2007
First Barry G. went squishy with age, now this dingbat.

Stopped watching/listening to this anus-headyears ago...

38 posted on 10/01/2011 7:54:44 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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