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Illinois Eavesdropping Act Shields Public Officials From Public Scrutiny
Townhall.com ^ | September 28, 2011 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 09/28/2011 8:07:14 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 09/28/2011 8:07:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The woman is clearly insane. A judge acting in an official capacity in court has an expectation of privacy?

violating her privacy and charged him with eavesdropping,

2 posted on 09/28/2011 8:10:42 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Kaslin

speaking of privacy rights, what ever happen to the gubmint union stooge who released Joe the Plumber’s private records?

she still has her job ,right?


3 posted on 09/28/2011 8:13:20 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Kaslin
Under current law, anyone in Illinois who records cops -- even in public, even while they are performing their official duties -- can be charged with a felony.

Members if the Fourth Estate, nota bene.

4 posted on 09/28/2011 8:26:32 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Kaslin

I remember in the early 70’s I was communist countries and dictatorships that people could not clearly photograph anything. It was beyond my comprehension of what individual freedom meant. I was also part of a generation that was still taught about the constitution and the foundational beliefs that led to its creation.

And with that background, I am even more appalled at this. That these government officials, can say with a straight face, that it is reasonable to expect “privacy” when performing their job in public is not only an affront to every one else’s personal freedom, but it is also “newspeak”. Public action is private? What are they smoking?

I wonder if I’m allowed to record construction workers, or the guy in the dancing bunny suit trying to get me to turn off to buy his company’s mattresses.

Sheesh!


5 posted on 09/28/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

With nonsense like this going on is it any wonder that Illinois politicians fear an armed citizenry?


6 posted on 09/28/2011 8:45:56 AM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Kaslin
The purpose of the law, from the beginning, appears to be to prevent citizens from recording evidence of criminality.

I can see the value of laws against eavesdropping on, or recording, conversations that the recording party is not a legitimate participant of. I can also see where people might not like to have their drunken activities at a party recorded and uploaded to youtube.

I can see NO legitimate societal value to barring the recording of a public official in the public performance of his duties.

7 posted on 09/28/2011 8:56:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625

You don’t think protecting crooked cops attempting to intimidate a witness from testifying against a third corrupt cop is a societal value?

;)


8 posted on 09/28/2011 9:04:08 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not eavesdropping if they know that you are doing it. This judge is behaving in a criminal manner!


9 posted on 09/28/2011 9:21:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: bamahead; rabscuttle385

Lping


10 posted on 09/28/2011 10:34:15 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Kaslin

The purpose of this law is obviously to facilitate criminal wrongdoing by Illinois law enforcement personnel and judges.

A police officer who is doing his job WANTS as many audio and video records as possible from as many people as possible. Suppose for example that the cop shoots a suspect who turns out to be unarmed, and is accused of murder or manslaughter. Suppose also that a bystander has recorded the shooting, and has a video and audio recording in which the suspect said, “I’m gonna blow your brains out, pig!” while making a suspicious move—thus making the shooting both reasonable and necessary. Well, if it’s a felony punishable by 15 years to “eavesdrop” on that officer, the bystander might just decide to erase that video rather than be caught with it—or maybe not make the video in the first place, if he knows the law.

Alternatively, suppose the officer is NOT doing his job. There is a video of an Ohio cop screaming at a driver he has stopped and then threatening to “execute” him. Does the state of Illinois want to say with a straight face that it is a felony to record that? (In this case, the abusive cop was so stupid that he did it in front of his own car’s video camera.) That sounds like obstruction of justice to me, i.e. Illinois legally mandates obstruction of justice, destruction (or non-production) of evidence, and so on.

In any event, this leads to the need to know your right and duty as a juror to refuse to enforce laws like Illinois “eavesdropping” law. See http://www.fija.org.

Circulate the above as widely as possible.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 11:03:52 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kaslin

The movie “Strange Days” underscores why a tiny minority of police and other officials might not want their activities recorded by bystanders.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 11:15:11 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: MeganC

This is not limited to Illinois, or courtrooms. People across the country have been charged with eavesdropping for recording police. One recently was found not guilty (the motorcycle cam). This is an abomination, and one more effect of the police state we live in.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 11:16:12 AM PDT by JDW11235
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To: cuban leaf

Illinois is America’s East Berlin.


14 posted on 09/28/2011 12:23:53 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
speaking of privacy rights, what ever happen to the gubmint union stooge who released Joe the Plumber’s private records?

she still has her job ,right?

Nope.

Democratic Gov. Strickland suspended her (with pay) for two months and later accepted her resignation.
Strickland lost to Republican John Kasich in 2010.

15 posted on 09/28/2011 1:04:17 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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good.
thanks.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Kaslin

Oh My GOD! Repent! The end is near! I am in agreement with the ACLU!!!!!


17 posted on 09/28/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by mistfree (The Law! How Quaint.)
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To: mistfree

Don’t worry, it’s that stopped clock thing. :-)


18 posted on 09/28/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: EdReform; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
The law's double standard is clear. It allows police officers to make audio recordings of their encounters with citizens but forbids citizens to do the same without permission. Recording police, prosecutors or judges is a Class 1 felony with a maximum sentence of 15 years, while recording anyone else is a Class 4 felony with a maximum sentence of three years.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" --George Orwell



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19 posted on 09/28/2011 7:12:21 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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....That’s right, ease up, you can go back into hate mode later... /sarc


20 posted on 09/28/2011 7:51:10 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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