Palin On Why She Might Not Run

National Journal ^ | 11/28/2011 | National Journal Staff

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you all so very much for sharing your insights on this matter!

I very strongly agree with betty boop that a vote for a third party (esp fiscal) conservative will translate to a vote for Obama in this election just like it did for Clinton when Perot ran. He did not have the majority, i.e. 43%.

If the third party were liberal to the left of Obama (if that were even possible) a third party vote would work against Obama.

The only scenario I can see where a third party candidate wins requires the two parties polarize to the extremes - and the party line voters follow them - leaving the third party at the center, the bell curve where most voters reside.

Frankly, my "cannot vote for Romney" issue is that his religion of choice denies the Names of God: I AM, YHwH, El Shaddai, Alpha and Omega. I don't expect the President to preach but I do expect him to lead and if he cannot kneel before God then we are looking at four more years in the leadership wilderness.

Or to put it another way, I aver the need for a Spiritual renewal in this country is so great at this time - failing that, the nation may spiral into an abyss it cannot escape. But, if the disease is cured, the symptoms, e.g. abortion on demand, will go away.

[xzins]

Frankly, my "cannot vote for Romney" issue is that his religion of choice denies the Names of God: I AM, YHwH, El Shaddai, Alpha and Omega.

An amazingly honest post, Sister.

Most would not admit a religious reason for opposing Romney. I have political, not religious, reasons for my opposition. I will admit, though, that mormonism is not my favorite religion.

Is your names of God issue about Trinitarism? I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.

[reaganaut]

Applause

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Desperate ping you will respond to this and post 174 for some back up please on there being sleeper trolls hidden in the Palin ping lists.

[betty boop]

Is your names of God issue about Trinitarism? I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that is precisely what my dearest sister in Christ means. And I join her in this concern.

May God forgive me if I offend anyone by saying this, but I (poor mortal that I am) have difficulty perceiving the difference between Joseph Smith digging up golden plates at the direction of an angel, and Mohammed having illuminations in a cave, as prompted by another angel.

Maybe I'm just totally ignorant, but to me there's a world of difference between a Jesus come to redeem humanity from sin, to restore us through His Sacrifice to our Father; and a Jesus who comes to show us how we can become "gods" ourselves.

Of course, if I'm mistaken in this view, I'd welcome correction from those more knowledgeable than me.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your kind words, dear brother in Christ!

And no, it is not about the LDS denial of the Trinity but rather its doctrine that God had a father who had a father who had a father, etc. In that doctrine, there is no "Alpha" no "Omega" no "El Shaddai (God Almighty)" no "I AM" (timeless) no "YHwH" (He IS).

God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are each just one of many.

Most Americans cannot relate to such a "god."

We need this kind of leader at this time, one to whom most of us can relate when he prays and agree with him:

God's Name is I AM.

[Alamo-Girl]

May God forgive me if I offend anyone by saying this, but I (poor mortal that I am) have difficulty perceiving the difference between Joseph Smith digging up golden plates at the direction of an angel, and Mohammed having illuminations in a cave, as prompted by another angel.

I perceive little difference also, dearest sister in Christ!

Thank you for sharing your testimony!

[wmfights]

I have given up doing that and will do it no longer. Last time was "this far and no farther." I'm living up to it, and I will not vote for a Romney, Huntsman, or Christie campaign. I just won't do it.

I have 2 criteria in this election concerning the Pub nominee. They must be Pro-Life and I must believe they will move heaven and earth to repeal all parts of obamacare and start over with market driven solutions.

[betty boop]

And no, it is not about the LDS denial of the Trinity but rather its doctrine that God had a father who had a father who had a father, etc. In that doctrine, there is no "Alpha" no "Omega" no "El Shaddai (God Almighty)" no "I AM" (timeless) no "YHwH" (He IS).

Well I guess my guess was wrong!

Certainly you are right: God cannot be the "product" of an infinite regression....

RE: George Washington: He was a leader who believed that God interceded on behalf of the American struggle for liberty. Indeed, we need this kind of leader at this time.

[wmfights]

If enough people feel as you do, dear xzins, then in all probability, you (and we) can look forward to Obama Redux.

We have pretty solid conservatives running in Perry, Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich.

We have fiscal conservatives/libertarians in Paul, Johnson.

We have northeast socially liberal in Romney, Huntsman.

We have a fiscal conservative with no political savvy (I won't support Perry if he's the nominee) in Cain.

The Tea Party is pulling the party to the right. The Pub establishment is fighting it, look at how they respond to FL moving their primary. The nominee will determine who is in control of the party and whether we can win.

[betty boop]

I aver the need for a Spiritual renewal in this country is so great at this time — failing that, the nation may spiral into an abyss it cannot escape. But, if the disease is cured, the symptoms, e.g. abortion on demand, will go away.

Oh, I so agree with you, dearest sister in Christ!

We don't need another Ronald Reagan so much as we need another George Washington. (Not to detract from Reagan's excellence as a president of the whole nation.)

What Obama is selling is a black hole that is swallowing up the America we know and love and revere....

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for agreeing with me on George Washington, dearest sister in Christ!

The Trinitarian issue is related to the "many god" regression but the reason I didn't narrow in on that point is that a lot Trinitarians evidently do not really understand it because they cannot coherently explain it - nevertheless, their hearts are in the right place. So being confused about the Trinity would not preclude someone in my book.

But being so far off the mark as to not recognize God as "the" Creator would make it impossible for many Americans to relate to him.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

God's Name is I AM.

[betty boop]

Thank you for your fine analysis of this "cast of characters," wmfights! And of the deep background: "The Tea Party is pulling the party to the right. The Pub establishment is fighting it, look at how they respond to FL moving their primary."

And just think, we have more than a year to go before these matters finally settle themselves out....

The GOP establishment is, of course, trying to protect and defend their power and privilege first and foremost. "And the devil take the hindmost."

Oh, don't we live "in interesting times!"

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you both so very much for sharing your insights and intentions!

[wmfights]

And just think, we have more than a year to go before these matters finally settle themselves out....

It seems like a lot of time, but primaries will start in Jan. 2012.

The GOP establishment is, of course, trying to protect and defend their power and privilege first and foremost.

They are, but they will lose. They fear us because they don't understand us. For them religion is something you do on the holidays, but for social conservatives it is a way of life. They figure the power of the Tea Party can be blunted because it's focused on fiscal issues, but a huge segment of it is comprised of social conservatives. The underlying force behind both groups is a desire to turn back to conservative finances and values. If the GOP establishment wants to keep govt in control of our lives they will be swept aside.

obama has done us one favor. He has shown the American people how manipulative and controlling liberalism is and the American people don't want it. If obama wins it will be because we shot ourselves in the foot by picking a nominee that is not a part of the conservative tsunami sweeping this country. However, obama will be stopped in that we will have an even more conservative House and the Senate will have a Pub majority with a strong conservative presence.

[reaganaut]

Frankly, my “cannot vote for Romney” issue is that his religion of choice denies the Names of God: I AM, YHwH, El Shaddai, Alpha and Omega. I don’t expect the President to preach but I do expect him to lead and if he cannot kneel before God then we are looking at four more years in the leadership wilderness.

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Thank you AG, you get it.

[reaganaut]

May God forgive me if I offend anyone by saying this, but I (poor mortal that I am) have difficulty perceiving the difference between Joseph Smith digging up golden plates at the direction of an angel, and Mohammed having illuminations in a cave, as prompted by another angel.

Maybe I’m just totally ignorant, but to me there’s a world of difference between a Jesus come to redeem humanity from sin, to restore us through His Sacrifice to our Father; and a Jesus who comes to show us how we can become “gods” ourselves.

Of course, if I’m mistaken in this view, I’d welcome correction from those more knowledgeable than me.

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No Betty, you are absolutely correct. It is a different God and a different Jesus. There are also reasons, like you mentioned, which explain LDS affinity for Islam.

See my tagline. I’ve been there and know Mormonism inside and out. I have said over and over again I oppose Romney both on political and religious grounds. I know too much about Mormonism to ever vote for one.

[Alamo-Girl]

They fear us because they don't understand us.

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragement, dear reaganaut!

As if taken from an episode of Twilight Zone, I was just informed by Freepmail that the artist of the Washington painting I used to illustrate my point was a Mormon. (Arnold Friberg) LOLOL!

But George Washington was of course not Mormon. And he was a great leader who prayed a lot for this country and also solicited prayers for this country.

[New York, 3 October 1789]

By the President of the United States of America. a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor--and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be--That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in thecourse and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquillity, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions--to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness onto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--

To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New-York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

Thanksgiving Proclamation

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Amen I love that picture!

Imagine what Washington would think of the evil being represented as good,and good being represented as evil;in the times we are living in.Call me nuts but I think Obama is the hands,arms,mouth,brain of the beast.I think the devil took all of the bad,radical black theologian theology,islamist extremism,the studies of Saul Alinsky that the Clinton’s and Obama follow.(Did you see the article where Hillary went against Israel and showed her true colors?)And put it in a black man so no one can dare question or be called a racist.

The evil hands that funded the rising of Obama are all anti christ’s along with Obama.One look at the video of Obama mocking the Bible proves this.We have not seen anything yet as our entire society,government,schools,media has been infiltrated and corrupted.The cancer that grows within Washington needs medicine that cannot happen over night with any one political savior.

They want us to divide and they conquer.One by one they will be defeated by us voting. America is no longer asleep.Until then we all need to pray that someone other than Romney gets in there to bring the corruption down.There are republicans that need pink slips in this cleansing of Washington as well as mostly all the democrats.The DNC has been exposed there are no longer diehard JFK democrats sticking with them.The democratic party of the South that was the good party during JFK has been hijacked extremely left and America is awake via the tea party and even with the media they cannot win.They have been exposed Obama can’t fool with fake photo ops and race riots.They will not win by causing a schism so bad that they will get they’re Romney that Chris Matthews likes..