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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #4 - Sep. 7, 2011 8pm/5pm: Reagan Library, CA (MSNBC)
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Posted on 09/07/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey

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To: LibertyRocks

Hard to communicate with many of the PFs :/
I hope all is well with your health now :)


2,041 posted on 09/08/2011 10:25:48 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Forty-Niner; Finny; All

She still looks like Rusty Staub ...


2,042 posted on 09/08/2011 10:30:48 AM PDT by j.argese (You may think you've won the day, in the end you will surely lose the important race.)
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To: rawhide

Actually, a few were zotted for even thinking about Romney within the last couple of weeks... and I agree with that. We don’t need a Libertarian... and I wish they would do the same for the loony RuPaul cult too :p


2,043 posted on 09/08/2011 10:42:14 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: rawhide

Sorry.. correction on my last post to yo... 3am here and half asleep >.<
Romney is a Dem in (R) clothing... I thought everyone knew that.. sorry about my mistake :D


2,044 posted on 09/08/2011 10:52:56 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: CaptainK

Michelle really messed up on some facts and definitely got into her irrational side. Unfortunately, she blocks comments. I did email.


2,045 posted on 09/08/2011 11:17:06 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: hocndoc

Perry’s executive order was showing his irrational side.


2,046 posted on 09/08/2011 11:21:41 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: newzjunkey

“Gardasil is so safe and effective it’s been approved for males as well to combat several other cancers linked to the HPV strains it targets.”

I’ve said it before, but when Gardasil first made news months ago (sometime last year, I think), a couple of doctors on one of the morning shows said positive and promising things but also said (at that time, anyway) that females needed to receive the vaccine in their teens to effectively protect them (for life), not wait until their adult years as that’s too late.

Now, maybe that’s changed but I’m just reporting what they said. Hence, that could also have been a factor for introducing it to girls that age in Texas.


2,047 posted on 09/08/2011 2:50:23 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: waus
Come on. I read the link. They'd had meetings on HPV since August. This meeting of staff came in October before the November election.

The donation also came before the November election. Scandalous!

Merck's total donation amounted 0.05% of the money Perry raised for reelection. The executive order came the following year.

In the debate, Perry brought up a point I hadn't heard, that there had been a bill passed aimed at cancers. Curious I went looking and found that was absolutely true. I did more research.

In 2005, HB 2475 said, "This bill requires the Department of State Health Services to develop a strategic plan to eliminate mortality from cervical cancer by the year 2015…" "The strategic plan must be developed and delivered to the governor and legislature no later than December 31, 2006."

Was the plan delivered to Perry? Yes it was.

A 47 page report (Acrobat PDF) called "Texas Cervical Cancer Strategic Plan," December 2006, by Texas Department of State Health Services in collaboration with The Texas Cancer Council was delivered.

Page 8, "Executive summary" Armed with this new HPV vaccine, we can achieve the moment when we know our goal — eliminating cervical cancer death and suffering — is in reach.

Page 20, "Access to Care" - "Women must have access to cervical cancer screening to eliminate cervical cancer in Texas. The National Cancer Institute reports that groups of women with high cervical cancer mortality:...

… "Widespread vaccination is a key to reducing cervical cancer incidence in Texas"

The people who think this was something Perry cooked up in secret for crony capitalist pals at Merck in exchange for $6,000 in campaign donations are demented.

He acted in the furtherance of the legislature's public health goals by ensuring the widest dissemination of and coverage for the vaccine.

Romney had it right in the debate, Perry had the right intentions and he would do it differently if he could do it over.

2,048 posted on 09/08/2011 2:56:46 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: mnehring
Oh good grief, they framed the entire debate by blaming everything on “Republican policies”

Nothing's ever a Democrat's fault.

2,049 posted on 09/08/2011 2:57:34 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: 07Jack
Interesting. Cain's proposals are fine, but Cain's no wonk, and it's evident to me. It was evident on his disastrous Fox News Sunday appearance, and it's evident whenever he gets a question that he's not specifically prepared for. For instance last night, when asked about FEMA budgetary offsets, a current issue, but one you could tell he hadn't practiced on, he clearly fudged it. I actually like him a lot, early on he was probably my favorite in the race, but I get the strong impression he's out of his league. Just my opinion.
2,050 posted on 09/08/2011 2:58:56 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: newzjunkey

“CDC recommends it for 11-12 yo.”

I heard that also - by at least age 14-15. But it wasn’t just an issue of exposure age, but other physical factors as well for effective protection requiring that relatively early age.


2,051 posted on 09/08/2011 4:36:59 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“But they aren’t at the Tammy Baldwin/Barbara Milkulski/Michelle Obama f*cking gross level either.”

There’re so many others to include there as well - Patty Murray, Lisa Murkowski (scary/crazy) - and to be equal opportunity on race and religion - Shirley Jackson-Lee and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

(After I hit Post, I’ll think of a lot more, but why continue the unpleasantness, right? :-)))


2,052 posted on 09/08/2011 5:21:01 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Eaker

It’s a troublesome mandate to many people. EO was a terrible way to go about it. Don’t you get a little tired of the wizards of smart not “thinkin’ things through” and then apologizing later? I also get tired of that famous government phrase “we’ll allow you to.”


2,053 posted on 09/08/2011 5:38:39 PM PDT by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: jamndad5

If you want a windmill with which to tilt how about getting rid of ALL of the gun laws.

According to the Second Amendment there should not be any.

THAT is what I am a little tired of.

A mandated vaccine with an opt-out option just ain’t as big a deal as rabid, liberal driven gun control.


2,054 posted on 09/08/2011 5:44:07 PM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: Eaker

Ok, but we have a right to criticize, don’t we?
We don’t have to get personal, do we? I mean, idiot and all?


2,055 posted on 09/08/2011 5:48:29 PM PDT by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: Clovis_Skeptic

“msnbc online poll showed Ron Paul won the debate!”

WTF??? Is this real? Who are they kidding - their oh-so-educated, discerning viewers? /s

No wonder their ratings are in the toilet.


2,056 posted on 09/08/2011 5:56:14 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: jamndad5

The “idiot” thing was an if/then proposition.

Think about it. It is only an insult if it is accurate.


2,057 posted on 09/08/2011 6:05:38 PM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: americanophile
I agree that Cain is very green as a political candidate, but I honestly think as a President he would be the best of the current group. I'm so tired of these slick Ivy League/Lawyer types of politicians that have had control of the country for the last 24 years. Look where it's gotten us. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm ready to give a plainspoken businessman with fresh ideas a shot. Unfortunately I think we'll probably end up with the same old type of career politician who will talk a great game but accomplish little once elected.
2,058 posted on 09/08/2011 6:13:15 PM PDT by 07Jack
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To: j.argese

“Cervical cancer is a horrible thing and HPV exposure doesn’t always occur in the teen years, it can occur at any point in a woman’s life.”

The medical explanations I’ve heard (including the CDC) is that while this is a vaccination for LIFE, it needs to be administered in a female’s teens to prevent contracting the virus in the future.


2,059 posted on 09/08/2011 6:30:02 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

If that’s the case, timely application would seem necessary.


2,060 posted on 09/08/2011 7:15:36 PM PDT by j.argese (You may think you've won the day, in the end you will surely lose the important race.)
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