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Worldwide attention fuels demand 2nd gun added to Pima County GOP raffle (AZ)
azstarnet.com ^ | 2 September, 2011 | Rhonda Bodfield

Posted on 09/03/2011 6:13:05 AM PDT by marktwain

The Pima County Republican Party’s controversial gun raffle fundraiser was such a success that they ended up raffling off another weapon.

The notoriety fueled such demand, said interim Chairman Mike Shaw, not only did the raffle for the Glock pistol sell out, but they subsequently raffled a deer rifle as well.

The raffle garnered worldwide attention because it was organizes eight months after the Tucson shooting spree.

The model of Glock is not the same as the one Jared Lee Loughner used in the Jan. 8, rampage. The gun used by Loughner was a Glock 19. The weapon being raffled is a Glock 23.

Loughner faces 49 criminal counts in the mass shooting that left six people dead and 13 wounded, including the apparent target of the shooting, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

National progressive pundit Keith Olbermann dubbed the raffle “a crass, heartless, Neanderthal decision” and questioned whether local Republican leaders had ceased to be human.

Locally, some Republicans have likewise publicly distanced themselves from the raffle.

City Councilman Steve Kozachik characterized it as “incredibly stupid,” especially when the party is gearing up for the city’s general election.

“When you have a slate of candidates who are already trying to generate some name recognition, in a City where they are out-registered by 2:1, and you tie a Glock to their tail, you've pretty much shown that you don't understand the dynamics of the area,” he concluded.

But Shaw said he was told Democrats and independents bought tickets, estimating 10 percent of the buyers were Democrats.

He also said three Democrats changed their voter registration to Republican on Thursday, with another Friday morning.

Democratic state lawmaker Matt Heinz, who owns a Beretta firearm, remains critical of the raffle.

(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; giffords; raffle
We can no longer let the media dictate to us what is acceptable.
1 posted on 09/03/2011 6:13:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

>>Democratic state lawmaker Matt Heinz, who owns a Beretta firearm, remains critical of the raffle.

I remain critical of this elitist hypocrite!


2 posted on 09/03/2011 6:20:47 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: marktwain

>> The gun used by Loughner was a Glock 19.

There are a gazillion Glock 19s out there and one was used by the liberal Loughner. So now it is the “Loughner Gun” for all eternity?

If I use my J-frame to save a life, will that same media hold up all J-frames as the “Life-saver gun”?


3 posted on 09/03/2011 6:25:09 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: marktwain

There are lib heads exploding.


4 posted on 09/03/2011 6:28:29 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: marktwain

This is a stupid and insensitive move on the part of the GOP. They can have a fundraiser many other ways without bad publicity or criticism.


5 posted on 09/03/2011 6:32:32 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

anyone who came out against the annual rafle is antigun... exposing themselves.. we should be happy to find out who they are and never vote for them again


6 posted on 09/03/2011 6:32:57 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: badpacifist

Letting your enemies dictate what is acceptable is a losing strategy.


7 posted on 09/03/2011 6:34:46 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

The people who died at that rally had a different political opinion. The people who loved those people may have had different political views than the people they loved. That nine year old girl who died wasn’t anyone’s enemy.


8 posted on 09/03/2011 6:45:53 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: marktwain

It’s tone deaf.


9 posted on 09/03/2011 6:57:54 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: badpacifist; All
The people who died at that rally had a different political opinion. The people who loved those people may have had different political views than the people they loved. That nine year old girl who died wasn’t anyone’s enemy.

You are correct, but what does that have to do with the gun raffle? The raffle was politicized by the left in an attempt to demonize Conservatives. Their attempt at demonetization raised considerable more funds for the conservatives.

10 posted on 09/03/2011 7:03:41 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
demonetization should be demonization
11 posted on 09/03/2011 7:04:42 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

Great post....laughed when I read it. Thanks Mark Twain.

Heck. I wish it was a GOP starter set....Glock and AR15 combo package....with promise of future “complete the set” raffles for an 870 Remington and Ruger 10-22.

The rank and file must shout down in shame this “feelings and sensitivity” BS and the orchestrated “outrages” that our nuggetless RINO leaders run and hide from.

We can never control how someone “feels”. That means if we play that game.....WE LOSE. Screw how they feel.

It is a gun. It is legal. It is American culture and liberty. Life and freedom IS NOT risk free. Tell them to STFU and deal with it.

What make and model car did that grabastic piece of rat feces Lougher drive to the scene? How about a Libtard day of media rage over anybody in AZ driving or selling a Honda Civic or whatever the flip it was.....”Don’t you know how seeing those beastly cars makes me feel?” Sniff and whine.

Lord save us from fools.


12 posted on 09/03/2011 7:07:01 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Lowell1775
We can never control how someone “feels”. That means if we play that game.....WE LOSE. Screw how they feel.

Exactly. No one has a "right" not to be offended. Freedom means that you have a right to be offensive. No government ever tried to suppress "inoffensive speech".

Not that I agree that the raffle was at all insensitive. It was simply labled such by the powers that be on the left in the MSM.

13 posted on 09/03/2011 7:12:17 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: badpacifist

ITS NOT ABOUT THE GUN STUPID!

Its about the idiots that nobody wanted to do anything about. Wouldn’t logic tell those who are afraid of guns to be even more afraid if one of their bleeding heart protected nutcases manages to get their hands on one?

How many of those unfortunate souls could have been saved if just one had an open-carry permit and scared the jackass away?


14 posted on 09/03/2011 7:24:06 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77
...open-carry permit...

A what? This is AZ. You don't even need a permit to carry concealed. Been carrying open and freely since I lived here ('80)

15 posted on 09/03/2011 7:27:31 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: mazda77

Listen I have had a ccw for 25 years. Lived in Tucson where many do carry with and without a ccw. Before you call me stupid let me remind you that if I was a criminal I would shoot the open carry guy first.


16 posted on 09/03/2011 7:29:56 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: badpacifist

But you don’t have an open carry now do you?


17 posted on 09/03/2011 7:37:13 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

Never have open carried ...always concealed. Had to pull my weapon in various states three times and never had to shoot anyone yet. Twice the police where involved and I did everything correctly enough so I never got in trouble. One other time in Seattle over 20 years ago I got a drink at a 7-11 in a crack area at 1:30 in the morning. As I rounded the corner to the drivers door of my Roto-Rooter truck the was an Amish boy leaning against my truck. He opened his jacket and showed me his gun to prove he was ready to rob me. I opened my jacket and proved I was ready to roll. He turned and walked away really quickly. That was as close to open carry as I ever got.


18 posted on 09/03/2011 7:46:18 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

It doesn’t get much better than that.


19 posted on 09/03/2011 7:48:57 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: mazda77

There are now four States that have Constitutional carry.
1) Vermont
2) Arizona
3) Alaska
4) Wyoming (as of July 1, 2011)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry

I look forward to the day when every State will have Constitutional carry.


20 posted on 09/03/2011 7:57:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

21 posted on 09/03/2011 7:59:28 AM PDT by tomkat (constitutional conservative)
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To: badpacifist

There is nothing insensitive about people having an opportunity to win property. Attacking fund raisers for raffling popular items, that’s insensitive. Your personal problem with firearms is your personal problem. People not objects constitute good and bad.


22 posted on 09/03/2011 8:21:03 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg

If you had read all the comments you would see I don’t have any “personal problem” with firearms. It is insensitive to attack a fellow freeper for their personal opinion to an post without at least reading all the comments.


23 posted on 09/03/2011 8:27:29 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: badpacifist

To put this in more clear terms. I read the comments. I object to saying that the raffle was insensitive. We need to make it clear that we don’t accept the whinings of the left and that we are not apologizing for believing that people can and should acquire guns. What is clear is that we need to be in their faces about our rights and to show that their opinions are of little or no value. Let’s us set the agenda for a change.


24 posted on 09/03/2011 8:43:31 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg

I accept that and agree. It is just my humble opinion in this case, where the demographic is 2 to 1 against you, there is a better way to raise money for at least a year.


25 posted on 09/03/2011 8:48:53 AM PDT by badpacifist (All species have subspecies... in some species the subspecies appears to be the dominate one.)
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To: marktwain

I’m wondering if there’s some rule that if someone is shot, it’s inappropriate to ever sell a gun in their county again.


26 posted on 09/03/2011 8:53:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Bryanw92
I did use a J-frame to save a life. For some reason the media never mentioned it.
27 posted on 09/03/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: marktwain

The left politicized the shooting of a congresswoman. They politicize everything. ANd here they tried to politicize the congresswoman’s shooting again.


28 posted on 09/03/2011 8:55:56 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marktwain

We can no longer let the media dictate to us what is acceptable.”

I think that all the free publicity the media gave this raffle with all their bitching caused more & more people to call in & buy tickets!!!

Perhaps GOP groups all over the country need to use this tactic.

I would spend a couple of bucks in a raffle to have a new shotgun, etc....


29 posted on 09/03/2011 10:23:28 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: badpacifist; marktwain
there is a better way to raise money for at least a year.

You live in Tucson and I live in Sierra Vista. We both have AZ CCWs and I raffle guns for a living.

There will never be a better time to raise money by raffling a firearm, because the anti-gunners in Tucson will never let us forget about that January day.

That leaves us with a choice. We can bow to the wishes of the left, or we can stand up for what we believe in.

I'll stand up for my beliefs, and continue to raffle guns as a fundraiser.

30 posted on 09/03/2011 1:05:28 PM PDT by HiJinx ("The wealthy and satisfied do not migrate, they stagnate." ~ Louis L'Amour)
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To: HiJinx; badpacifist; marktwain

I need to amend that. I don’t raffle guns for a living, it’s more of a side-line. But I do it year-round and have yet to receive any flack for it.


31 posted on 09/03/2011 1:07:33 PM PDT by HiJinx ("The wealthy and satisfied do not migrate, they stagnate." ~ Louis L'Amour)
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