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Why Would I Believe Karl Rove Now?
C4P ^ | August 22 2011 | Marc America

Posted on 08/23/2011 5:35:34 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan

You know what I think of Karl Rove, and it isn’t pleasant. He doesn’t say anything without some ulterior motive, and he seldom throws air-time away on loose, unfocused talk. He even makes up his own small white-boards for television interviews so he can make his points visually. No, a guy like this never says or does anything without a purpose in mind. Over the last several days, since he made his statements regarding Sarah Palin’s potential official entry into the GOP field, something hasn’t felt right about it. Two things I know about Rove are that he hates to be seen as having been wrong, and what he really hates is to lose. His value to the establishment as a political strategist isn’t based on the accuracy of his political prognostications in public, but instead on his ability to manipulate results by the disinformation he spreads in the media. Often times, the analysis he offers on TV are aimed at some purpose other than that which would seem apparent. Due to this, I’ve begun to wonder what his mention of Sarah Palin is really intended to accomplish. It’s the reason I included a question mark in my coverage of Natalie Nichols’ article from yesterday. I simply don’t trust the guy. There’s always an angle to what he’s doing, and he’s effective. Now, with Dick Morris tweeting that he thinks she’ll announce September 3rd, I can’t help but smell a rat.

I went back to the original article in which I read the account, and I was even able to scare up a portion of the video, and so I took a look at what Rove said, and considered what it might be intended to accomplish, apart from what he seemed to be saying. In my view, here is the critical nugget:

“This is her last chance,” Rove said. “She either gets in or gets out [after the Iowa visit]. I think she gets in.”

Who says it’s her last chance? Why would any of us assume that Governor Palin would choose this moment to begin complying with the narrative of the media’s pet political analysts? It’s not as though any of us actually believe either that Karl Rove wants Sarah Palin to succeed, or that he’s some sort of detached, objective source of political wisdom. What Rove’s statement proposes is a ridiculous premise: It’s then, or never. Why would Rove wish to deliver such a message? He certainly isn’t saying it to help Sarah Palin. I think he wants to paint the picture of a candidate who must get in over Labor Day weekend, or just as well stay home. Could this be because Rove is trying to push her to a premature declaration, or to push us into a false belief based on his dubious assertions?

Why would Rove do that? Rove’s interests lie with some other agenda, but not in advancing a Palin candidacy. What if he could score a substantial knock on her via an expectation game he’s now helped foment among us, knowing that she’s better served to wait a while longer?

Would I enjoy it if she did announce on the 3rd? Sure, since I plan on being there, but then again, I am not so worried about the particular date of her announcement that the lack of one on that day would throw me into a tail-spin of despair or send me scurrying off to some other campaign. I’m a grown-up, and I’ve waited longer for things of much less importance. Truth is, if that’s not the best day for Sarah Palin to announce, in her own judgment, and by her own criteria, I don’t want her to announce just to suit me. I want her to announce on the day she believes will make for the best effect in pursuit of victory. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I am prepared to wait until hell freezes over, or she herself tells us otherwise, and if she ultimately decides not to run, I’ll be fine with that too, because I support Sarah Palin, candidate for President or no.

Right now, there’s a lot of “huff and puff” over Rick Perry, and as I mentioned before, this Savior-of-the-Day mentality isn’t something we Palin supporters have ever accepted, so why go with the talking heads’ claims of their prescribed dates and times now? No, I’m not falling for it. If she announces that day, or any other day, I will be equally thrilled at the prospect. There isn’t a time limit on my support, and in truth, my support of Governor Palin isn’t limited to Presidential politics, so I’m not inclined to get too attached to what Karl Rove asserts, one way or the other. I’m done buying the premises such people try to lay out for us, knowing that all too frequently, it’s intended to push us in a direction we would not otherwise knowingly or willingly go.

I’ve said it before, and at some length a month ago today, and I’ll say it this one last time: Leave the strategy to Governor Palin. Why am I supposed to feel hurried anyway? I know who I support, and all the other people already in this race will still be there a month from now even if Governor Palin should decide not to run. While I don’t view that as likely, so what if she did? Two things would remain true even in that case: I would still support her as a tremendous advocate for our values, and I would still be able to decide whether to support (or not support) one of the other numerous candidates. What I won’t do is talk myself into arbitrary, dubious, artificial deadlines for which there is no actual basis in fact, never mind letting Karl Rove talk me into one. That’s just silly. The real deadlines are a good bit later, and for me, my deadline is that day on which Texans go to vote in the primaries, next March. That’s the only deadline I’m worried about, and Karl Rove’s claim of some nonsensical cut-off date is just more typical DC-insider political garbage, and media manipulation. No, I am prepared to wait. Sarah Palin has said it herself: There will be no mistaking her decision on the day she announces it. I expect Iowa on September 3rd to be one thoroughly enriching event, and I am going there to enjoy the fellowship of others like me, and to listen to whatever Governor Palin has to say. I’m not going there expecting to hear an official campaign launch. I’m going there to support her and the Tea Party folks who are hosting the event. She said the time-frame of the end of September should cover the range of dates during which we could expect some sort of announcement. I believe her, and it’s as simple as that. There’s no sense in falling prey to some well-laid Karl Rove narrative.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; backstabberrove; notrunning; palin; palin2012; rove4romney; tokyorove
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is paid to say things ....that means he has to say things
the author is making waaaay too much of this ....”she has to get in or out” ?.....it is only one phrase...if she delays getting in at this point shed will look weak ...if she says no but decides yes later she looks indecisive. Its not carved in stone that she has to act soon but realistically is there a better time?

that is all Rove is saying

Rove is right more than he is wrong ...you cant ask more than that

In short this is insipid pap for the “we want to hate someone” crowd


21 posted on 08/23/2011 6:07:19 AM PDT by woofie
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To: The Bronze Titan
This is her last chance,” Rove said. “She either gets in or gets out [after the Iowa visit]. I think she gets in.”

Don't you love it - the pudgy little RINO eunuch trying to superimpose himself, yet again, on the warrior Sarah, she who has been out there carrying on the battle for freedom everywhere in the land. I hope she doesn't announce in Iowa on the 3rd. I pray she does it at a totally unexpected time of her choosing, from the studio of those two morning radio talkers in Anchorage. Hey Rove, guess what? You are a fly buzzing in the green room at Faux News. Conservative Americans no longer hate you. You have become a totally predictable bore.

22 posted on 08/23/2011 6:08:07 AM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: ilovesarah2012
So you believe Rove wants Obama to be re-elected?

Not necessarily "wants Obama to be reelected", but would settle for it if they can't get Jeb on the ticket. But what I think they will do, is go to the eventual Republican Nominee and "make them an offer they can't refuse" the support of the Bush Dynasty for giving Jeb the VP spot. If the candidate does refuse, then I think they will do everything to sabotage the nominee, so Jeb as a shot in 2016

23 posted on 08/23/2011 6:15:06 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

America is not going to elect another Bush. Where do you get this stuff?


24 posted on 08/23/2011 6:21:13 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: billva

You are awfully brave to be asking such a reasonable question this early in the morning. Just remember, Rove has crossed the line too many times by actually offering opinions based in 30+ years of political experience, and that is just too much for those whose primary contribution to political discussion is to make up another play on someone’s name.

You know, Pillsbury Tokyo RINO Rove needs to STFU.


25 posted on 08/23/2011 6:21:18 AM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is trolling for a nice contract from somebody in this race. He doesn’t really care who they are or what they stand for. He was heavily invested in the establishment candidate when the people chose Christine O’Donnell it was a failure for Rove and you saw the result.

Anytime he appears on tv, anytime he makes a statement, you can guarantee there a little chunk of money in his pocket from somebody. He’s not a prognasticator, he’s a ho pimp .

Secondly you can see the Bush twitch in his eye and the corner of his mouth when he talks about Perry. And yes, they don’t want Perry messing up their plans. The Bushes are guaranteed money for him.


26 posted on 08/23/2011 6:23:14 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: The Bronze Titan
Karl Rove is protecting his client, Romney. Many say Romney with Rove's advise is on the side lines waiting for Sarah Palin to enter the race and suck all the conservative votes between 3 candidates. Thinking it will leave Romney a commanding lead.

Rove & Co are frightened to death of losing their hold on what makes them money in DC. The GOP Establishment and the elite of the GOP are all hoping and wishing Romney is the nominee.

27 posted on 08/23/2011 6:23:39 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

“... savior of the day mentality ...”

Isn’t that the truth! I’ve been a Palin fan even before she was selected to run with McCain.

But .. Rove is an “RNC elitist”. He believes that what he thinks is the be all end all of politics. He has never been a fan of Palin’s - and I don’t think he cares much for Rick Perry either. I used to pay a lot of attention to what he says, but not so much lately.


28 posted on 08/23/2011 6:27:16 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Outstanding rendition of Sarah’s genius. You nailed it!!! The image of Rove and the MSM media going through a tin horn is most excellent, with a tip of the hat to a great American warrior. One wonders if the Willard and all of his hangers-on understand what is about to sweep them away.


29 posted on 08/23/2011 6:28:17 AM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: apillar

He was trying to get Jeb or Rand Paul to run.

Rand announced today he will not be running 2012 and had made up his mind.


30 posted on 08/23/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Logic n' Reason

Governor Palin has read “The Art of War” and has taken it to heart. Make no mistake, this will be a war. Win and America is saved. Lose and welcome the chains.


31 posted on 08/23/2011 6:38:09 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Logic, you are 'music' to my ears, because YOU are entirely DEAD ON!

SP 'KNOWS' how to campaign and 'WIN' against huge odds. I feel strongly (as you rightly point out), that she is strategizing and will playing to 'her' biggest strengths, with the biggest one being "ground troops". She will have control of the "ground" nationwide over all the other opponents - regardless of when she enters the race. So, based on this alone, she CAN PICK the TIME and PLACE of her choosing to ENGAGE!

- All warfare is based on deception.

- Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we
are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away;
when far away, we must make him believe we are near

- Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.


32 posted on 08/23/2011 6:48:26 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: NTHockey

Also ‘DEAD ON’! - We are prepared and at-the-ready for the ‘WORD’!


33 posted on 08/23/2011 6:50:50 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Logic n' Reason

That’s what I’ve been saying. She’s waiting and watching and will run - when the time is right. She refuses to be rushed or to allow others to force her hand. That’s an excellent quality in a President. ;-)


34 posted on 08/23/2011 7:00:49 AM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: SueRae

Reading her response yesterday...and in particular, acknowledging CNN’s coverage, I believe she will NOT announce on September 3rd. Not to say that I don’t think she isn’t running, I just don’t believe it will be that day.

I do think she will announce later in the month.


I would announce right after Obama’s BS speech coming up...


35 posted on 08/23/2011 7:53:30 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Thanks for that pic/link .. been too long, time for a refresher !


36 posted on 08/23/2011 8:38:36 AM PDT by tomkat (sic semper tyrranis .. verbatim)
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To: Bedford Forrest
One wonders if the Willard and all of his hangers-on understand what is about to sweep them away.

I'm given to understand that those who die by drowing in floods simply cannot understand where all that water came from.

So to shall it be for Willard and his hanger-on.

37 posted on 08/23/2011 8:44:20 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: NTHockey
Precisely...spot on.

For the first time in my life....and this goes back to Eisenhower...this one will in fact be war.

38 posted on 08/23/2011 8:45:47 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Tokyo Rove is a Bush lackey and will always be. Don't expect anything intuitive out of him.
39 posted on 08/23/2011 8:49:09 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: stansblugrassgrl
You, ma'am, are exactly right.

She's fought this battle once before. She learned from it. She's got the scars. She knows what it takes to win.

I've every confidence in her...whether she actually runs or not.

As she leads, I follow....just as hard and as fast as I can.

40 posted on 08/23/2011 8:49:18 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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