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Why Would I Believe Karl Rove Now?
C4P ^ | August 22 2011 | Marc America

Posted on 08/23/2011 5:35:34 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan

You know what I think of Karl Rove, and it isn’t pleasant. He doesn’t say anything without some ulterior motive, and he seldom throws air-time away on loose, unfocused talk. He even makes up his own small white-boards for television interviews so he can make his points visually. No, a guy like this never says or does anything without a purpose in mind. Over the last several days, since he made his statements regarding Sarah Palin’s potential official entry into the GOP field, something hasn’t felt right about it. Two things I know about Rove are that he hates to be seen as having been wrong, and what he really hates is to lose. His value to the establishment as a political strategist isn’t based on the accuracy of his political prognostications in public, but instead on his ability to manipulate results by the disinformation he spreads in the media. Often times, the analysis he offers on TV are aimed at some purpose other than that which would seem apparent. Due to this, I’ve begun to wonder what his mention of Sarah Palin is really intended to accomplish. It’s the reason I included a question mark in my coverage of Natalie Nichols’ article from yesterday. I simply don’t trust the guy. There’s always an angle to what he’s doing, and he’s effective. Now, with Dick Morris tweeting that he thinks she’ll announce September 3rd, I can’t help but smell a rat.

I went back to the original article in which I read the account, and I was even able to scare up a portion of the video, and so I took a look at what Rove said, and considered what it might be intended to accomplish, apart from what he seemed to be saying. In my view, here is the critical nugget:

“This is her last chance,” Rove said. “She either gets in or gets out [after the Iowa visit]. I think she gets in.”

Who says it’s her last chance? Why would any of us assume that Governor Palin would choose this moment to begin complying with the narrative of the media’s pet political analysts? It’s not as though any of us actually believe either that Karl Rove wants Sarah Palin to succeed, or that he’s some sort of detached, objective source of political wisdom. What Rove’s statement proposes is a ridiculous premise: It’s then, or never. Why would Rove wish to deliver such a message? He certainly isn’t saying it to help Sarah Palin. I think he wants to paint the picture of a candidate who must get in over Labor Day weekend, or just as well stay home. Could this be because Rove is trying to push her to a premature declaration, or to push us into a false belief based on his dubious assertions?

Why would Rove do that? Rove’s interests lie with some other agenda, but not in advancing a Palin candidacy. What if he could score a substantial knock on her via an expectation game he’s now helped foment among us, knowing that she’s better served to wait a while longer?

Would I enjoy it if she did announce on the 3rd? Sure, since I plan on being there, but then again, I am not so worried about the particular date of her announcement that the lack of one on that day would throw me into a tail-spin of despair or send me scurrying off to some other campaign. I’m a grown-up, and I’ve waited longer for things of much less importance. Truth is, if that’s not the best day for Sarah Palin to announce, in her own judgment, and by her own criteria, I don’t want her to announce just to suit me. I want her to announce on the day she believes will make for the best effect in pursuit of victory. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I am prepared to wait until hell freezes over, or she herself tells us otherwise, and if she ultimately decides not to run, I’ll be fine with that too, because I support Sarah Palin, candidate for President or no.

Right now, there’s a lot of “huff and puff” over Rick Perry, and as I mentioned before, this Savior-of-the-Day mentality isn’t something we Palin supporters have ever accepted, so why go with the talking heads’ claims of their prescribed dates and times now? No, I’m not falling for it. If she announces that day, or any other day, I will be equally thrilled at the prospect. There isn’t a time limit on my support, and in truth, my support of Governor Palin isn’t limited to Presidential politics, so I’m not inclined to get too attached to what Karl Rove asserts, one way or the other. I’m done buying the premises such people try to lay out for us, knowing that all too frequently, it’s intended to push us in a direction we would not otherwise knowingly or willingly go.

I’ve said it before, and at some length a month ago today, and I’ll say it this one last time: Leave the strategy to Governor Palin. Why am I supposed to feel hurried anyway? I know who I support, and all the other people already in this race will still be there a month from now even if Governor Palin should decide not to run. While I don’t view that as likely, so what if she did? Two things would remain true even in that case: I would still support her as a tremendous advocate for our values, and I would still be able to decide whether to support (or not support) one of the other numerous candidates. What I won’t do is talk myself into arbitrary, dubious, artificial deadlines for which there is no actual basis in fact, never mind letting Karl Rove talk me into one. That’s just silly. The real deadlines are a good bit later, and for me, my deadline is that day on which Texans go to vote in the primaries, next March. That’s the only deadline I’m worried about, and Karl Rove’s claim of some nonsensical cut-off date is just more typical DC-insider political garbage, and media manipulation. No, I am prepared to wait. Sarah Palin has said it herself: There will be no mistaking her decision on the day she announces it. I expect Iowa on September 3rd to be one thoroughly enriching event, and I am going there to enjoy the fellowship of others like me, and to listen to whatever Governor Palin has to say. I’m not going there expecting to hear an official campaign launch. I’m going there to support her and the Tea Party folks who are hosting the event. She said the time-frame of the end of September should cover the range of dates during which we could expect some sort of announcement. I believe her, and it’s as simple as that. There’s no sense in falling prey to some well-laid Karl Rove narrative.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; backstabberrove; notrunning; palin; palin2012; rove4romney; tokyorove

1 posted on 08/23/2011 5:35:36 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is an attention wh*re.

Sure wish fox news would hand him walking papers.

Can’t stand the guy.


2 posted on 08/23/2011 5:38:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: The Bronze Titan
"I tell you 'she is' announcing on the 3rd! - I'm not crazy, really!"


3 posted on 08/23/2011 5:39:27 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan

He is attempting to make her look like the girl who cried wolf.

Karl supports Romney and a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

Therefore, Karl supports Obama and has sold his soul. maybe there is a reason his first name is spelled just like Marx’.


4 posted on 08/23/2011 5:40:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Funny how we all loved him when he engineered two Republic wins in 2000 and 2004.

We would have had Gore and/or Kerry as president otherwise..

5 posted on 08/23/2011 5:41:05 AM PDT by billva
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Funny how we all loved him when he engineered two Republic wins in 2000 and 2004.

We would have had Gore and/or Kerry as president otherwise..

6 posted on 08/23/2011 5:41:04 AM PDT by billva
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To: The Bronze Titan

Reading her response yesterday...and in particular, acknowledging CNN’s coverage, I believe she will NOT announce on September 3rd. Not to say that I don’t think she isn’t running, I just don’t believe it will be that day.

I do think she will announce later in the month.


7 posted on 08/23/2011 5:41:06 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Why would anyone ever believe Karl Rove? He was the architect of the destruction of the Republican Party. If you doubt it, go back and read what he said in 2000, 2001, 2002. Read the sadly laughable claims that if the GOP got rid of fiscal conservatism and focused on social wedge issues, it would build a “permanent Republican majority.” Read all of his references to how McKinley and Hanna created a Republican majority and his dreams of doing the same. Read what he said about how he could swing West Virginia to the GOP by promoting protectionist policies in 2002. Read about how he justified strong-arming small government Republicans into supporting Free Drugs for Seniors and No Child Left Behind in the beginning of Bush’s term. Rove did only one thing right—he found a way to get George Bush re-elected in the face of unrelenting media hatred. Apart from that, he was a disaster. The architect of Compassionate Conservatism as a political tool. He and his creature need to go away.


8 posted on 08/23/2011 5:42:01 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: billva

Doubtful.

His turncoat sleaze on Christine O’Donnell was disgraceful.

Have no use for the guy. None.


9 posted on 08/23/2011 5:42:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

First I heard of Rove supporting protectionism.

He’s a globalist, open borders RINO.

They don’t do protectionism.


10 posted on 08/23/2011 5:45:02 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Tokyo Rove is a Republican elite, establishment guy. It’s time to say “Up the establishment!”. No more Tokyo Rove.


11 posted on 08/23/2011 5:46:24 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: billva
He helped W get elected the first time. The second election for W...it was W who was the genius behind his re-election not Rove.
12 posted on 08/23/2011 5:49:32 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: The Bronze Titan
One thing everyone must know about Rove, is that he is now and has always been the brains and the mouthpiece of the Bush Dynasty. Their goal is to get Jeb Bush in the Whitehouse. They assumed that Obama would cruise to an easy reelection in 2012, so they planned to set Jeb up for 2016. However, a monkey wrench has been thrown into their plans, it looks like Obama might actually be beatable in 2012. So now they have a decision to make, either try to get Jeb Bush into an already crowded field, or to sabotage the eventual Republican candidate so they can get Obama reelected and go on with the original plan. I think they plan on doing the second...
13 posted on 08/23/2011 5:51:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: billva

Funny how I never did “love” him. And while he helped prevent Gore and Kerry from being president he also prevented many excellent conservative Republicans from being President too.


14 posted on 08/23/2011 5:51:41 AM PDT by DManA
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To: billva

the love was on tongue in cheek because the left scapegoat him for all thing he’s not responsible for


15 posted on 08/23/2011 5:51:57 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is a confidence man, hired to con you into voting for whichever employer has the money and pull to warrant his interest. I don’t care for political cheerleaders of any stripe, after all, these people are public servants seeking employment in office by the people who vote them into office. If Rove has some beef with Palin, it’s probably because he has no influence over Her, and see’s no benefit from getting behind Her campaign, which is fine by me because She doesn’t need or want his type of ilk in Her campaign. As far as when Sarah announces that She’s going to run, She’ll do it on Her own terms, and not what the opposition wants.


16 posted on 08/23/2011 5:54:15 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Mrs. Palin is remaining quiet....she is waiting....she (and only she) knows her battle plan....she (and only she) knows her timing.....she is learning....studying the opposition....guarding the "cubs"....waiting quietly with an occasional "roar"....reconnoitering the challengers from within and the enemies from without.....studying weaknesses....building and conserving her own strength....endlessly practicing....reading...honing her skills.....waiting.....waiting…

This war has not yet begun. What has been seen of the other candidates to date has been nothing but minor and irrelevant skirmishing. Candidates in...candidates out....candidates winning....candidates losing.....candidates saying silly things.....candidates saying cogent, insightful things.....candidates being personally attacked by the msm (including fox) and the faux intelligencia (rove, krauthammer, morris, olberman, matthews, etc)....candidates being dismissed or ignored by the msm....candidates attacking one another instead of concentrating on the real issues and enemy.

It is a very, very long way yet to November, 2012. There is no need to rush. Keeping her own council, Mrs. Palin smiles knowingly, and trusting in the loyalty of her supporters, remembers the words of Napolean, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." and General Patton, "Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"

When she arrives, you can count on total war. She has learned how to fight. She has been through this before.....all the way to election day. She does not spin; she attacks, all the time....constantly; she does not back away from principles; she means exactly what she says...and says exactly what she means. She has built and continues to add to her base of support because of who and what she is....not because of who or what she panders to.

Patience.....patience....

Wait for it!

And keep the faith....

17 posted on 08/23/2011 5:54:40 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: FReepers
Having been a member of this site and part of the DC chapter for more than a decade,
I never really understood the fascination/adulation of some here with K.Rove.

Sarah's inate political sense on a bad day beats Rove's schtick on his best.

Reason being that hers is based on the kind of real life experience that most of US rely on, along with a true love of what's best for the Nation.

Rove, on the other hand, seems to be first and foremost about Rove, and if that helps further the national interest, it's likely a mere coincidence.

Bearing in mind the primary cutoff dates, I wouldn't mind seeing Sarah wait until the last possible day to announce.

Let the current field whittle itself on down, and cause as much stress-related physical damage to the marxist apparatchiks as possible.

Seriously.


18 posted on 08/23/2011 5:56:07 AM PDT by tomkat (sic semper tyrranis .. verbatim)
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To: apillar

So you believe Rove wants Obama to be re-elected?


19 posted on 08/23/2011 5:59:24 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: The Bronze Titan
Rove would love for Palin to get in and split the conservative vote even more.

Rove supports Romney and Sarah would pull no votes from Romney.

20 posted on 08/23/2011 6:02:08 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is paid to say things ....that means he has to say things
the author is making waaaay too much of this ....”she has to get in or out” ?.....it is only one phrase...if she delays getting in at this point shed will look weak ...if she says no but decides yes later she looks indecisive. Its not carved in stone that she has to act soon but realistically is there a better time?

that is all Rove is saying

Rove is right more than he is wrong ...you cant ask more than that

In short this is insipid pap for the “we want to hate someone” crowd


21 posted on 08/23/2011 6:07:19 AM PDT by woofie
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To: The Bronze Titan
This is her last chance,” Rove said. “She either gets in or gets out [after the Iowa visit]. I think she gets in.”

Don't you love it - the pudgy little RINO eunuch trying to superimpose himself, yet again, on the warrior Sarah, she who has been out there carrying on the battle for freedom everywhere in the land. I hope she doesn't announce in Iowa on the 3rd. I pray she does it at a totally unexpected time of her choosing, from the studio of those two morning radio talkers in Anchorage. Hey Rove, guess what? You are a fly buzzing in the green room at Faux News. Conservative Americans no longer hate you. You have become a totally predictable bore.

22 posted on 08/23/2011 6:08:07 AM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: ilovesarah2012
So you believe Rove wants Obama to be re-elected?

Not necessarily "wants Obama to be reelected", but would settle for it if they can't get Jeb on the ticket. But what I think they will do, is go to the eventual Republican Nominee and "make them an offer they can't refuse" the support of the Bush Dynasty for giving Jeb the VP spot. If the candidate does refuse, then I think they will do everything to sabotage the nominee, so Jeb as a shot in 2016

23 posted on 08/23/2011 6:15:06 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

America is not going to elect another Bush. Where do you get this stuff?


24 posted on 08/23/2011 6:21:13 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: billva

You are awfully brave to be asking such a reasonable question this early in the morning. Just remember, Rove has crossed the line too many times by actually offering opinions based in 30+ years of political experience, and that is just too much for those whose primary contribution to political discussion is to make up another play on someone’s name.

You know, Pillsbury Tokyo RINO Rove needs to STFU.


25 posted on 08/23/2011 6:21:18 AM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Rove is trolling for a nice contract from somebody in this race. He doesn’t really care who they are or what they stand for. He was heavily invested in the establishment candidate when the people chose Christine O’Donnell it was a failure for Rove and you saw the result.

Anytime he appears on tv, anytime he makes a statement, you can guarantee there a little chunk of money in his pocket from somebody. He’s not a prognasticator, he’s a ho pimp .

Secondly you can see the Bush twitch in his eye and the corner of his mouth when he talks about Perry. And yes, they don’t want Perry messing up their plans. The Bushes are guaranteed money for him.


26 posted on 08/23/2011 6:23:14 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: The Bronze Titan
Karl Rove is protecting his client, Romney. Many say Romney with Rove's advise is on the side lines waiting for Sarah Palin to enter the race and suck all the conservative votes between 3 candidates. Thinking it will leave Romney a commanding lead.

Rove & Co are frightened to death of losing their hold on what makes them money in DC. The GOP Establishment and the elite of the GOP are all hoping and wishing Romney is the nominee.

27 posted on 08/23/2011 6:23:39 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

“... savior of the day mentality ...”

Isn’t that the truth! I’ve been a Palin fan even before she was selected to run with McCain.

But .. Rove is an “RNC elitist”. He believes that what he thinks is the be all end all of politics. He has never been a fan of Palin’s - and I don’t think he cares much for Rick Perry either. I used to pay a lot of attention to what he says, but not so much lately.


28 posted on 08/23/2011 6:27:16 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Outstanding rendition of Sarah’s genius. You nailed it!!! The image of Rove and the MSM media going through a tin horn is most excellent, with a tip of the hat to a great American warrior. One wonders if the Willard and all of his hangers-on understand what is about to sweep them away.


29 posted on 08/23/2011 6:28:17 AM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: apillar

He was trying to get Jeb or Rand Paul to run.

Rand announced today he will not be running 2012 and had made up his mind.


30 posted on 08/23/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Logic n' Reason

Governor Palin has read “The Art of War” and has taken it to heart. Make no mistake, this will be a war. Win and America is saved. Lose and welcome the chains.


31 posted on 08/23/2011 6:38:09 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Logic, you are 'music' to my ears, because YOU are entirely DEAD ON!

SP 'KNOWS' how to campaign and 'WIN' against huge odds. I feel strongly (as you rightly point out), that she is strategizing and will playing to 'her' biggest strengths, with the biggest one being "ground troops". She will have control of the "ground" nationwide over all the other opponents - regardless of when she enters the race. So, based on this alone, she CAN PICK the TIME and PLACE of her choosing to ENGAGE!

- All warfare is based on deception.

- Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we
are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away;
when far away, we must make him believe we are near

- Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.


32 posted on 08/23/2011 6:48:26 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: NTHockey

Also ‘DEAD ON’! - We are prepared and at-the-ready for the ‘WORD’!


33 posted on 08/23/2011 6:50:50 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Logic n' Reason

That’s what I’ve been saying. She’s waiting and watching and will run - when the time is right. She refuses to be rushed or to allow others to force her hand. That’s an excellent quality in a President. ;-)


34 posted on 08/23/2011 7:00:49 AM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: SueRae

Reading her response yesterday...and in particular, acknowledging CNN’s coverage, I believe she will NOT announce on September 3rd. Not to say that I don’t think she isn’t running, I just don’t believe it will be that day.

I do think she will announce later in the month.


I would announce right after Obama’s BS speech coming up...


35 posted on 08/23/2011 7:53:30 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Thanks for that pic/link .. been too long, time for a refresher !


36 posted on 08/23/2011 8:38:36 AM PDT by tomkat (sic semper tyrranis .. verbatim)
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To: Bedford Forrest
One wonders if the Willard and all of his hangers-on understand what is about to sweep them away.

I'm given to understand that those who die by drowing in floods simply cannot understand where all that water came from.

So to shall it be for Willard and his hanger-on.

37 posted on 08/23/2011 8:44:20 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: NTHockey
Precisely...spot on.

For the first time in my life....and this goes back to Eisenhower...this one will in fact be war.

38 posted on 08/23/2011 8:45:47 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Tokyo Rove is a Bush lackey and will always be. Don't expect anything intuitive out of him.
39 posted on 08/23/2011 8:49:09 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: stansblugrassgrl
You, ma'am, are exactly right.

She's fought this battle once before. She learned from it. She's got the scars. She knows what it takes to win.

I've every confidence in her...whether she actually runs or not.

As she leads, I follow....just as hard and as fast as I can.

40 posted on 08/23/2011 8:49:18 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: The Bronze Titan
I believe Sun Tsu may have met his (or her, as the case may be) match!

We shall see.

But if and when Gov. Palin makes her stand, it will be up to us to do the fightin' along side her. She trusts us to do that and will lead us all the way.

Therefore, it is incumbent upon us to trust her.

Governor Palin will run if she knows in her heart that no other candidate will do the complete job that needs doing; that will be able to win the war she knows must be fought and won.

If I may, I believe this quote from General Patton describes what's coming, "We herd sheep, we drive cattle, we lead people. Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way!"

41 posted on 08/23/2011 8:56:31 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Logic n' Reason

If she runs, she has our full support. If she doesn’t, who ever she endorses will have a great chance at winning. We’ll have to see who that is, and where he or she stands on issues before we’ll support that candidate. (She endorsed McCain over JD here in AZ. I understand why she did it. It’s never wise to follow anyone blindly.) That being said, I think she will run.

Sarah has been vetted so completely, we all know what we’re getting.


42 posted on 08/23/2011 9:15:11 AM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: apillar
One thing everyone must know about Rove, is that he is now and has always been the brains and the mouthpiece of the Bush Dynasty. Their goal is to get Jeb Bush in the Whitehouse.

Oooo, that is very dark. That would mean, in terms of the MarkAmerica article, the Rove secret dark horse is Jeb, and that the hard count operation, designed to draw Palin offside into a premature action, was a setup to pave the way for "Savior Jeb." Whom my wife will never vote for in a million years, even if we totally lose the republic over it, because of his effete role in the Terri Schiavo fiasco. So that’s the mission: the Bush royals must also go down in defeat, right along with the Marxists.

43 posted on 08/23/2011 3:57:15 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: billva
Funny how we all loved him when he engineered two Republic wins in 2000 and 2004.

The win in 2000 was within 537 votes of being a loss. Why? Because Karl Rove, in his infinite wisdom, sent Bush, in the last week before the election, to California--a state he ended up losing by about 20% of the voters. Not to Florida, a swing state where he had a good chance of winning, and where he ended up clinging to his narrow victory for more than a month, but to California.

And you still think he's a genius?

44 posted on 08/23/2011 9:17:40 PM PDT by giotto
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