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To: Mrs. Don-o

that is the myth of involuntary.

it is not involuntary, it is conditioned like an adiction or a fetish. Conditioned from the normal. How many tortured children were conditioned by abusers and have deviated from the norm in order to “survive” the experience?

There is no involuntary, there is only do or not do. Normal or not normal as demonstrated by conduct.


72 posted on 08/16/2011 11:43:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
Homosexual tendencies are abnormal. If (as you mention) a child has been conditioned by abusers to have these abnormal tendencies or feelings, they are involuntary (on the part of the victim) --- but we can hope he will find a way to develop more healthy responses.

I know of a young man who was raised in an overseas orphanage environment where there were literally no adult men. None. Up to the age of almost five, he never saw an adult man, and when he was adopted by a normal U.S. family, he was evidently confused and uneasy about how to relate to his very decent and caring adoptive father.

He has been dealing with confused feeling about other males for a long time. On the one hand, maleness seems strange and exotic to him. On the other hand, maleness attracts him, but in a sexed-up way. He does not like or defend these feelings, he finds them unconfortable and upsetting. But his feelings are not voluntary on his part.

You can't justly blame him for his confused feelings. You can only try to help him progress toward greater normalcy. And of course he's answerable for his actions, as we all are. .

So we would agree that this young man is responsible for his conduct: the choice of "do or don't do." It is each person's duty to do good and avoid evil.

But you can't blame a person from an abnormal environment for being burdered with abnormal feelings, which he experiences as a persistent difficulty. This is what is meant by orientation. And this is where he needs help.

74 posted on 08/16/2011 12:19:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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