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China's First Aircraft Carrier Starts Sea Trials (let's sink it!)
AFP ^ | 8/9/11 | AFP

Posted on 08/09/2011 9:19:37 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight

China's first aircraft carrier on Wednesday left its shipyard in the country's northeast to start its first sea trial, the state news agency Xinhua said.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraft; carrier; china

1 posted on 08/09/2011 9:19:45 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

How would we do this without starting a war?


2 posted on 08/09/2011 9:26:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/varyagtransform.htm


3 posted on 08/09/2011 9:27:54 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
Can't be...
The unfinished Varyag remained at the dock of the Nikolayev South Shipyard unattended for six years. In the late 1990s, the vessel was put up for auction and it was bought by a Macau-based Chinese company for US$20 million. The company claimed that the vessel would be converted into a floating entertainment centre in Macau, consisting of amusement park, hotel, Casino, restaurant, etc. The contract with Ukraine prohibited the buyer from using the carrier for military purposes. Before handing the ship over, the Ukrainians removed any equipment onboard Varyag that could be used to turn the vessel into a commissionable warship.
4 posted on 08/09/2011 9:39:51 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
If the Chinese built it, I'm sure there's going to be a serious corrosion problem somewhere.

Ever used any tools made there?

5 posted on 08/09/2011 9:57:56 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

Even Jack Ryan understood the killing of the crew of the Red October would have been murder. Cause we weren’t at war with the USSR.


6 posted on 08/09/2011 10:00:59 PM PDT by tlb
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To: VanShuyten

In a fit of false economy my workplace bought Chinese made steam valves (made in China for Milvaco) and gaskets, the gaskets disintegrated in less than a month and most of the valves leaked in 6 months. We have American made valves (Jenkins, Nibco) doing duty for over 30 years with nary a problem.


7 posted on 08/09/2011 10:11:05 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
Sink it? In God's name why?

You think American soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines have it too good? They need a war with a superpower?

Or is America's economy too strong? It needs world war to slow it down a bit?

8 posted on 08/09/2011 10:31:13 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

“Sink it?” China is known to have at least 72 nuclear missiles on its submarines so far, and several hundred land-based mobiles that can hit anywhere in the USA with good accuracy. There are consequences for our leaders having moved so much of our technology and manufacturing out of the USA to provide sustainable revenues for a foreign communist nation. And they’ve been telling the lie that the Chinese economy has been crashing for over four years, as that country continues its buildup with an account surplus.


9 posted on 08/09/2011 10:48:48 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

This is going to be a boondoggle for the Chinese. They are going to sink billions into this ship and it likely is going to catch fire and sink.

It took years for the US To develop the training and logistics required to support these ships.


10 posted on 08/09/2011 10:58:00 PM PDT by dila813
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That is exactly what I was thinking. We don’t need to sink it. The Chicoms will do it all by themselves!


11 posted on 08/10/2011 3:47:54 AM PDT by rotstan
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

Good for China, now they will experience what it takes to keep something like that running, the parts, the manpower, the training and then you have to have a carrier support group.

I bet within the next month it will have to be dry docked, they will suffer some sort of major problem like bad prop shafts, they won’t be able to launch anything more than a rotary wing aircraft.


12 posted on 08/10/2011 3:57:27 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Daniel J. Ramsey 1956-2012)
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To: rotstan
That is exactly what I was thinking. We don’t need to sink it. The Chicoms will do it all by themselves!

If you look at any major under takings by countries or companies, and they have done those under takings successfully, you will typically see a string of failures that preceeded the success.

China will be no different. In the near future, with this first carrier, we will likely see a pilot crash on the deck, killing himself and damaging the carrier. Or the carrier may experience mechanical failure out at sea.

But whatever the failure, it is better for them to get going, build a carrier group and train personnel, than to let a few snickering Westerners sideline them ;)

With that said, who is in a better position, the British who have a wealth of naval experience, but making budget cuts to halve their navy, or the Chinese who lack the experience, but will have a growing budget to gain naval experience.

13 posted on 08/10/2011 12:53:54 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

That’s a nice looking boat you have there. Be a shame if something happened to it.


14 posted on 08/10/2011 2:46:31 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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