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Afghan Chopper Crash Kills 22 SEALs; 37 In All [Deadliest Day in 10-Year War: 297 Killed In 2011]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/06/501364/main20089096.shtml?tag=stack ^ | August 06, 2011

Posted on 08/06/2011 5:53:22 PM PDT by Steelfish

August 6, 2011

Afghan Chopper Crash Kills 22 SEALs; 37 In All

PLAY CBS NEWS VIDEO 08.06.11 Taliban claim responsibility for Afghan chopper crash Afghan chopper crash kills 22 SEALs; 37 in all 31 Americans killed in Afghan chopper crash

(CBS/AP) KABUL, Afghanistan - Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

CBS News correspondent David Martin reports that the dead include members of the Air Force and Army, but most of them were Navy SEALs from Team 6. In addition to the 22 SEALs killed, there were three other special operators, plus 5 crewmen. The group on the downed Chinook were a back-up force called in by another team which had run into trouble when it hit the target of a special raid. The lead team called for help and the Chinook was coming in when it was shot down.

The downing, in which seven Afghan commandos were also killed, was a stinging blow to the lauded, tight-knit SEAL Team 6 months after its crowning achievement. It was also a heavy setback for the U.S.-led coalition as it begins to draw down thousands of combat troops fighting what has become an increasingly costly and unpopular war.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alreadyposted

1 posted on 08/06/2011 5:53:24 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Alas, it’s all too easy to believe. The article states this Chinook-load was a backup force called in after the initial team was bogged down.

I.e. just like “Blackhawk Down” the initial surprise was lost and the backup chopper was probably hovering in one place for far too long.

Even so, it might have been a straightforward crash. I’ve read Michael Yon’s blog and some of those so-called “routine” chopper insertions sound incredibly dangerous with low-light conditions, dust and static electricity.


2 posted on 08/06/2011 5:58:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Steelfish

I thought Obama said he was going to start bringing these Soldiers back in July?

I guess he left out the part about the body bags.

FUBO


3 posted on 08/06/2011 6:07:42 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Steelfish

This is a horrible loss.


4 posted on 08/06/2011 6:07:53 PM PDT by doggieboy
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To: Steelfish

Hussein has mismanaged this war, our economy, and nearly every crisis during his internship. Why the hell does anyone support this clown? God bless our fighting men and women....I wish they had someone in charge who had a pair.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 6:14:09 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: mylife

National Security, Debt Ceiling etc all held hostage to Obama’s re-election prospects.


6 posted on 08/06/2011 6:14:24 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I would like to know why, if this was a Taliban “compound”, the commanders didn’t call for a couple of JDAMS to destroy it before putting operators in. According to the sketchy news so far, an extended firefight had already been going on. One wonders if this was a result of rules of engagement to minimize collateral damage. If so, someone at the top of the theatre command structure needs to be relieved, and an investigation needs to launched to determine who is responsible for implementing the ROE and why.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 6:18:01 PM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Steelfish

Why do Spec-Op’s men fly aircraft that can be heard approaching from 20 miles?


8 posted on 08/06/2011 6:20:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Some one ORDERED it


9 posted on 08/06/2011 6:25:11 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: fso301

It was special ops aircrew, flying them in army special ops helicopters.

http://nightstalkers.americanspecialops.com/


10 posted on 08/06/2011 6:28:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

Let Army risk their own with this sort of stealth tactic.


11 posted on 08/06/2011 6:31:12 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: ansel12

Why use seal team 6? why not the 82nd airborne rangers?


12 posted on 08/06/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

This is an elite army helicopter unit that specializes in this special operations flying, because no one else in the military can do it.

This is the same helicopter unit that took them in on the Osama raid.


13 posted on 08/06/2011 6:34:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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It makes me mad, that our Sailors and Marines are being pushed around by God knows who.


14 posted on 08/06/2011 6:35:02 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: ansel12

Let the Marines land expeditionary forces.
They know the job well.

I’m just carping.
And I am angry that Obama has the death toll skyrocketing like the national debt.


15 posted on 08/06/2011 6:41:22 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; All

You couldn’t have put it better. This guy’s inexperience and judgment has been catastrophic for the nation and set us back 30 years.

We have an out-of-control political judiciary, a biased mainstream media that backs him, hordes of Hollywood dogs that run after him, an illegal immigration population that surpasses the populations of several states, a burgeoning medical and social security crisis, an infrastructure collapse, educational outputs in free-fall, and manufacturing industries decimated with cities and towns bankrupt and record high unemployment and under-employement with teenage black unemployment at over 70%.

Yet most white females, adults from 18-29, blacks (90%) and most Jews (78%) vote for this scoundrel. What the hell explains this?


16 posted on 08/06/2011 7:13:15 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

“The... force called in by another team which had run into trouble [during] a special raid... The lead team called for help and the Chinook was coming in when it was shot down.”

Kind of wondering now about the outcome of the battle. If the force called in to reinforce the group in trouble was shot down and all hands killed, what happened to the team in trouble?


17 posted on 08/06/2011 7:15:36 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Steelfish; All
This was not a ‘fighting’ chopper - it was an extraction chopper to carry troops - They were evidently sent in to get our boys out = these men were pinned down by the Taliban.

So: Question one: Was the chopper given any fighter/fire cover - or were they denied because of the murderous ROE put in by this administration - that would not allow fire power because of ANY possibility, even with NO evidence, that a civilian “might” be in the area.

Question Two:
Where did the Taliban get the fire power to take down this chopper?

Did they, as they bragged and promised, use ordinance this regime gifted to them when they ordered the pull out of our troops in No. Eastern Afghanistan - and left the Taliban great stores of weapons? (Never heard of that being done before in the annals of warfare.)

The media dutifully buried these actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamBeYQeRvE

and again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uj6sRlzgik&feature=fvwrel

air cover denied when needed

excerpt: “U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We’ve lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters.”
(This is far from an isolated incidence. Our KIA’s have more than tripled since this new regime put in his new ROE.)

http://webnews.ampnetmedia.com/2009/09/were-pinned-down-4-u-s-marines-die-in-afghan-ambush/

18 posted on 08/06/2011 7:17:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: topher
The Obama surge -- surge in US Combat deaths...

George W Bush believed in a surge in the campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq to get the upper hand.

Now Obama is playing the good Muslim by getting US Service Personnel killed.

Several months ago it was reported that casualties were up in Afghanistan...

Not the Lame Stream Media cares...

19 posted on 08/06/2011 7:27:01 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher
I should state that George W Bush's surge was in combat operations, not in US casualties. The actions of George W. Bush caused casualties to significantly drop over time.

On the hand, the actions of our grossly incompetent president is leading to the deaths of more and more service personnel.

Let us, for the sake our nation, that Obama is just a one term president.

20 posted on 08/06/2011 7:30:11 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Steelfish; Recovering_Democrat; All
Yet most white females

McCain easily won the white female vote, 46% Obama to 53% McCain/Palin.

21 posted on 08/06/2011 7:33:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Steelfish

God deliver our men from the bounds of liberalism. This makes me sick.


22 posted on 08/06/2011 7:39:17 PM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: ansel12

I can confirm that.


23 posted on 08/06/2011 7:42:16 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: ansel12
The Nightstalkers have paid a heavy price in the WOT.
24 posted on 08/06/2011 7:43:04 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Recovering_Democrat; All
you say: "Hussein has mismanaged this war..."

The question begs: "By incompetence or by design? AFter all, his ROE that he put in in the spring of 2009 have resulted in DOUBLING the deaths of our trooops in 2009, TRIPLING in 2010 and on the to be FOUR times this year.

He has given the upperhand in battle to the Taliban - and they laugh.

See my Post # 18

Blood on his mooseslime hands

http://icasualties.org/oef/ LIVE LINK NEXT POST

25 posted on 08/06/2011 7:43:15 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
live link per previous post - the doubling/tripling/quadrupling of our troops being killed - DIRECTLY due to the CIC’s new ROE - see also post # 18)

http://icasualties.org/oef/

and the press is silent - and the Sheeple are busy watching Idol and Dancing with the Stars -

26 posted on 08/06/2011 7:43:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: Steelfish

If it were SEALs or Team 6, why would that be in the news at present? Generally, it would not be revealed for months or years, if ever at all.


27 posted on 08/06/2011 7:46:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I was thinking about that today, I was going to describe some of their losses to my ex-helicopter crew chief (ASW), brother, and ask him if he would serve with them if he had the chance (theoretically).


28 posted on 08/06/2011 7:50:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Cvengr
"If it were SEALs or Team 6, why would that be in the news at present? Generally, it would not be revealed for months or years, if ever at all."

That's true - in fact, the entire osama operation should never have been revealed either. The most the general public should have known was there was a helicopter crash in pakistan.

29 posted on 08/06/2011 7:55:20 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Steelfish

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/03/28/charlie-foxtrot-over-libya/print#

“The real warriors, one way or another, all say the same thing: spend my life if you must, but don’t waste it. A bond of trust based on that contract must exist between a president and the troops. If the president is willing to risk their lives in the absence of a compelling need to defeat a threat to America, that trust is violated.”


30 posted on 08/06/2011 8:11:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (`No one's life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session.' MT)
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To: Flag_This

Answer.....Dead men tell no tales!


31 posted on 08/06/2011 8:30:20 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Why the hell does anyone support this clown?

1. Because he's black.

2. Because there are a lot of socialists, communists and Marxists around (really all different manifestations of the same ideology).

3. Because a lot of people really buy into the old saw that Republicans are for the rich and Democrats are for the little guy.

4. Because the Bell curve shows us that an IQ of about 100 is average, but that half the population falls under 100. So there really are a lot of people walking around with room-temperature IQ's.

5. Oh, did I mention that he's black? A Harvard educated black, to boot, who was handed a Nobel Prize?

6. And let's not forget that, to the media and other Dem shills, any Dem president is ALWAYS super smart. Because Obama's black from Harvard, he's a super giant intellect dontcha know.

7. Why...he's a history-making black man and we racist scum must never forget that.

8. Last, but never least, all the sexual perverts, pro-abortion "rights," and other "stay out of my bedroom" types just love the Dems. Throw in a slew of anti-military types. Quite a stew, that.

32 posted on 08/06/2011 8:45:42 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ansel12

Correct. I meant WHITE female and single (unmarried, separated, divorced, or widowed) women who accordingly to Gallup voted “overwhelmingly” for Obama.


33 posted on 08/06/2011 9:10:09 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

White women that are single women is a heck of a different category than “white women”, it seems like a long way to go for a category, if you are going to do that then you may as well throw in the Catholic vote.


34 posted on 08/06/2011 9:16:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Wolfstar; ansel12

Obama starts with an in-built advantage: He has CA, NY, MA, WA, CT, DE, IL, in the bag even before the campaign begins.

His bedrock constituency are unionists; GLTB; Hollywood, Blacks, Single white females; high school-college grads (18-29); Jews, Muslims, Hindus, NARAL, NEA, La Raza, ACLU members, Journalists; and non-taxpayers. This crowd alone makes for 45% of the modern electorate.


35 posted on 08/06/2011 9:19:09 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ansel12

That’s a category that Gallup uses.


36 posted on 08/06/2011 9:20:12 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I would say that Catholics voting for Obama is of more concern than single white women that haven’t married yet.


37 posted on 08/06/2011 9:33:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

Of course- but single white women (unmarried, separated, divorced, or widowed) would include CINOs as well.


38 posted on 08/06/2011 9:42:02 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

When you are mentioning Hindus and Muslims and Jews, then you would be better off mentioning that the Catholics vote Obama also.


39 posted on 08/06/2011 9:52:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Steelfish

Biting my nails and I never do this. Need names of the SEAL’s. I have many friends in certain units and a cousin in____damun, prayers up for the fallen, their families, friends, loved ones. I’m sorry to be selfish. I hope to God it’s not_________, too much death lately, I’d be crushed if he’s dead.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 3:56:30 AM PDT by Karliner ("...It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” WC)
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To: Steelfish
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Gentlemen ....here are some thoughts that I've had over the past 24 hours ...



For starters, I've been at Free Republic since 1996 ... so I'm NOT a Troll ...

As Jackie Gleason used to say "And Away We Go ..."





1) Osama Bin Laden was (carefully stated) the most "publicly visible" War Criminal since Hitler ...


2) Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada (sp) have certainly infiltrated the continental United States ... possibly a couple of years before 9/11 ... they CERTAINLY have Assasins and Sleeper Agents here ...


3) Osama Bin Laden might have actually been "hiding" in Pakistan and then Executed-Captured by the United States military a few months back ... but who REALLY knows ?


4) "SEAL Team Six" may not even ACTUALLY exist ... except on a Pentagon Public Relations / Counterintelligence chart ...


5) If I were the POTUS I actually would have assisted the Pentagon into "fabricating" the story of SEAL Team Six ... CERTAINLY THE UNIT'S names ... and possibly even Osama Bin Laden's capture-killing ...


6) Why fabricate a ficticious military unit SEAL Team Six ?


7) To protect the ACTUAL combat fighters and their families, relatives and GRANDCHILDREN for the next fifty (50) years ... against Al Quada retaliation ...


8) And what is the BEST way to handle this entire scenario ?


9) Allegedly kill Osama Bin Laden ... BURY HIM AT SEA (?????)


10) THEN ... MURDER or pretend to murder (by tragic accident, of course) ... the ENTIRE military unit SEAL Team Six ...


11) Dead Men tell no tales ... and this is "made for Hollywood" movie special ... ala "Wag the Dog" ...


12) At a minimum, IF there was a SEAL Team Six who really did kill Osama Bin Laden ... ALL OF THEIR SECRETS are now buried with them ...


13) Moreover, their Commanding Officers, CIA-NSA contacts, Support personnel will also be DEAD soon ... and all records mysteriously disappear ...


14) Could either President Bush or Bill Clinton EVER approved such a devious and EVIL plan ?


15) No ... not even Bill Clinton ...


16) Can you say the say about U.S. President Barry Sorreto ?


17) No. He is EVIL. He is NERO in Rome. He is a traitor.


18) He is "Obama Bin Laden" (no mispelling) ... the FIRST moslem POTUS ...


19) And as Barry will whisper into Mooschelle's ears tonight in their Whitehouse Bedroom ... "May Allah be Praised" ...




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41 posted on 08/07/2011 12:37:30 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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