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U.S. Special Forces Killed as Taliban Shoots Down Helicopter
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 08/06/11

Posted on 08/06/2011 8:58:24 AM PDT by freespirited

A NATO helicopter was shot down in the eastern province of Afghanistan last night, killing 31 U.S. special forces and seven Afghan soldiers.

The aircraft, belonging to NATO's International Security Assistance Force, or ISAF, went down in the Maidan Wardak province, according to a statement from the office of Afghan President Hamid Karzai. The helicopter was completely destroyed, shot down by the Taliban, Shahidullah Shahid, a spokesman for the Maidan Wardak province said in a phone interview.

The incident marks the biggest single loss of life for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since operations began in 2001, Associated Press reported. Establishing the type of weapon used is key to gauging whether a new and more sophisticated threat has emerged in Afghanistan, Mark Pritchard, a U.K. Member of Parliament and vice-chairman of the Conservative Parliamentary Defence Committee, said by phone.

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Horrible news.
1 posted on 08/06/2011 8:58:26 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Prayers.

More comments here.

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2 posted on 08/06/2011 9:00:40 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: freespirited
Is it just me ...

I mean am I the only one who thinks we are not being brutal enough with our enemies?

3 posted on 08/06/2011 9:05:10 AM PDT by expatguy (The Expat Needs Beer Money - Cough Up!)
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To: expatguy

There are others out here.

In addition to greater force, the definition of innocence should be revised. Those who aid and abet should be included


4 posted on 08/06/2011 9:09:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: expatguy

“I mean am I the only one who thinks we are not being brutal enough with our enemies?”

Deliberate attrition.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 9:10:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: freespirited

The report from the media this morning said it was a crash.


6 posted on 08/06/2011 9:11:49 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: freespirited

31 special forces on one match? That’s just not a good idea. It reminds me of when we lost a helicopter full of SEALs a few years ago. No way should we be providing the enemy such a juicy target.

Prayers for the families.


7 posted on 08/06/2011 9:11:54 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: expatguy

“I mean am I the only one who thinks we are not being brutal enough with our enemies”

Me, too. Where were the weapons that were used for this stored? Was it one if the many mosques or other off limits locations prescribed by the Illegal’s suicidal ROE? This incident screams out for a full Congressional investigation of the ROE and how they are getting courageous, honorable service people murdered by our enemies. Of course, maybe the murder of our best service people has been the Illegal’s plan all along.


8 posted on 08/06/2011 9:12:06 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: freespirited
I lost some great brother in arms! This is Carter on steroids (operation blue light) since the scuttlebutt is the “hands-off policy” of zero is behind the shooting down of the shithook C-47!

Pray for my Brothers!

82nd ABN 1/508th BN

9 posted on 08/06/2011 9:12:09 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ...

(( ping ))


10 posted on 08/06/2011 9:17:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: paratrooper82

82nd, huh? I’m stationed at Bragg myself. Outstanding!


11 posted on 08/06/2011 9:17:22 AM PDT by The Black Knight (What would John Rambo do?)
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To: expatguy
No, it's not just you. The only time I ever admired a democrate was Harry Truman when he nuked Japan and ended the war. We have become a country of surrender since then.
12 posted on 08/06/2011 9:19:03 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Lancey Howard

The Chinook is great for transporting a large number of troops but in this case wouldn’t it had been safer to have used a few smaller and possibly stealth choppers like the one the Seals used to take out bin laden? A drone could be used ahead of the choppers to not only spot potential enemies but take fire from below as a distraction from the Seals choppers. Just thinking.


13 posted on 08/06/2011 9:21:41 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: paratrooper82

I agree 82. First, why are we loading all the SEALS into one crappy Chinook? Second, if this operation was under NATO command, we should withdraw from that agreement. Third, Bring in the B1B and lay waste to the entire valley.


14 posted on 08/06/2011 9:23:49 AM PDT by libertymaker
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To: freespirited

My sister just called me and said that she heard on TV (didn’t say which channel) that it was Seal Team 6...anybody else heard that, or is it a rumor.


15 posted on 08/06/2011 9:24:44 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: bert

Bomb the Poppy fields and bring our young men home-—alive.


16 posted on 08/06/2011 9:27:16 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I agree. Bring them all home NOW!


17 posted on 08/06/2011 9:30:26 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: libertymaker
First and foremost, you never land on a [hot] LZ! the LZ is prepped to lay waste to any terrorist who may be waiting for you to show up and then shoot you!

Zero's policy: you can't shoot unless you see a rifle and only in self defense. This is nonsense!

This allowed the shithook to come in without first prepping the LZ and a terrorist was allowed to fire an RPG-7V and brought down the chopper with more than 31 personnel!

This lesson was learned years ago in nam! Zero continues to micromanage this war from Washington, just like Carter that ended up killing many young Americans in the desert as well!

18 posted on 08/06/2011 9:31:28 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: The Black Knight

Stay safe my brother!


19 posted on 08/06/2011 9:32:47 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: expatguy

“I mean am I the only one who thinks we are not being brutal enough with our enemies?”

No, you’re not.


20 posted on 08/06/2011 9:32:52 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Evil Slayer
The Chinook is great for transporting a large number of troops but in this case wouldn’t it had been safer to have used a few smaller and possibly stealth choppers like the one the Seals used to take out bin laden?

It has been used widely in Iraq and as part of Operation Enduring Freedom in mountainous Afghanistan, where the high altitude and temperatures have limited the use of the Black Hawk.

21 posted on 08/06/2011 9:33:02 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: expatguy

Absolutely not. We should go in there and carpet bomb anywhere even a single U.S. troop is killed, regardless the loss of enemy lives and property.

Kill people and break things until we win and they lose.

But first, the commie Lilliputians, who are tying down our Gulliver with their thousands of little ropes, have to be broomed from the places in our government, legislature, judiciary, and culture into which they have insinuated themselves to destroy us.

Brutal and ruthless. That should be us, for they will show us no mercy when they have completed their takeover of the planet, and especially our country.


22 posted on 08/06/2011 9:41:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: ImpBill

I agree. Bring them all home NOW!


I’m with you. Defending the world is missing creep.


23 posted on 08/06/2011 9:42:40 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: expatguy

Were it up to me, I’d evacuate Americans and then nuke every hilltop,valley, plain or bush in that 5th century sty. Just end them forever.


24 posted on 08/06/2011 9:44:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Psalm 144

If our military was allowed to take the gloves and handcuffs off their hands and be as brutal as necessary as needed we would have won every conflict since Korea.


25 posted on 08/06/2011 9:45:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Venturer
Bomb the Poppy fields and bring our young men home-—alive.

Yep! I'm for it.......but Obama simply is not going to do that any time soon.

26 posted on 08/06/2011 9:45:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: expatguy

NATO has written the rules of engagement. The whole Afghan war is being executed in the most unconstitutional manner imaginable, as is the Libyan conflict.

Shame on BOTH parties for allowing foreign governments and entities run a war using our fellow American citizens to execute it. They are not allowed to win, they’ve been told the war will go for 30 years. Just how does one set a deadline for a war so far distant? What is the purpose of a war that is meant to last for 30 years rather than to be won in the most efficient, tactical way to bring our fellow citizens home?


27 posted on 08/06/2011 9:47:05 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Venturer

“Bomb the Poppy fields and bring our young men home-—alive.”

Amen. We’ve gained nothing; we’ve lost more than can be quantified, especially when it comes to our soldiers. Bomb Iraq and Afghanistan. Pull our guys from Germany, Japan, et al., and let them defend themselves. We have absolutely no business being in any of those places. (The more we help them, the more they hate us.) The Constituion only provides for the defense of America, not every God-forsaken, spawn-of-Satan country on earth.

The money we give to Afghanistan is immediately schlepped by Afghan big-wigs on to planes in the form of cash in suitcases, and going... where?

It’s all disgusting. I want to puke.


28 posted on 08/06/2011 9:49:01 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("I know that God's tomorrow will be better than today!" A. H. Ackley)
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To: hedgetrimmer
What is the purpose of a war that is meant to last for 30 years rather than to be won in the most efficient, tactical way to bring our fellow citizens home

Power, Money, and political leverage.

29 posted on 08/06/2011 9:50:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Without a doubt.


30 posted on 08/06/2011 9:51:37 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: freespirited; Lancey Howard
Prayers up for the families.

Devastating: 31 Special Operations Troops, Including 25 Navy SEALS, Killed in Afghanistan

31 posted on 08/06/2011 9:52:45 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: paratrooper82

“First and foremost, you never land on a [hot] LZ! the LZ is prepped to lay waste to any terrorist who may be waiting for you to show up and then shoot you!”

Ever hear about this guy named “Uriah the Hittite’?


32 posted on 08/06/2011 9:54:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Evil Slayer; Lancey Howard

The airframe is generally tailored for the mission. Since we don’t know what it was, we can’t 2nd guess their decisions...if that’s ever wise in the first place.

The Chinook is the fastest, has the longest range, has the highest ceiling, and is able to carry the biggest load in and the biggest load out.

It’s a mountainous region, and as stated, we don’t know the mission.


33 posted on 08/06/2011 9:55:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: freespirited

NATO? I’ll always be convinced there was a snitch in the bunch. They knew who was on this chopper and they knew where it was going to be.

Second, they shouldn’t even put out the word of who was on this chopper.


34 posted on 08/06/2011 9:56:27 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: freespirited

35 posted on 08/06/2011 9:57:38 AM PDT by yield 2 the right ( Space blank until I come up with a nice Tagline.)
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To: freespirited
obama’s BIG MOUTH cause this... obama is as guilty and the rag head that fired the hit that brought this copter down.

LLS

36 posted on 08/06/2011 10:02:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (juan mccain certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: xzins

I was in the Marines in 1983 when the Beirut barracks was suicide-bombed killing 241 US servicemen, including 220 Marines. Even then my first thought (after prayers) was, “How could so many Marines be concentrated in such a big juicy single target in a war zone?”

On this smaller scale, I just think it was unwise to put so many of our best weapons - - the SEALs - - into one tiny box. I figured after the last time this happened, in June of 2005 when 19 SEALs were killed in a Chinook, better insertion strategies would be developed that didn’t put “all the eggs in one basket”. That said, I agree that I have no knowledge of this mission and am being presumptious to second-guess command decisions.

By the way, if you never read about Operation Red Wings, it is an astonishing story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings


37 posted on 08/06/2011 10:31:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bigheadfred

This story (2005) will interest you, especially the part about the Afghan goat herders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings


38 posted on 08/06/2011 10:33:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dawn53
My sister just called me and said that she heard on TV (didn’t say which channel) that it was Seal Team 6...anybody else heard that, or is it a rumor.

I heard the same thing on FOX about an hour ago. Makes me sick.

39 posted on 08/06/2011 10:51:29 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: rushmom
The report from the media this morning said it was a crash.

I read that NATO reported it that way initially.

40 posted on 08/06/2011 10:52:25 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks for the ping, LH.

Prayers for the heroes and their families.


41 posted on 08/06/2011 11:08:14 AM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: freespirited

Comment at the SF Cron article:

“The current front page story about the tragic loss of lives in Afghanistan appearing in the Washington Post deletes material found in an earlier version of the story. Here is the deleted material found in an earlier version:

“Meanwhile, in the southern Helmand province, an Afghan government official said Saturday that NATO troops attacked a house and inadvertently killed eight members of a family, including women and children.

NATO said that Taliban fighters fired rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire at coalition troops during a patrol Friday in the Nad Ali district.

“Coalition forces responded with small arms fire and as the incident continued, an air strike was employed against the insurgent position,” said Brockhoff. He added that NATO sent a delegation to meet with local leaders and investigate the incident.

Nad Ali district police chief Shadi Khan said civilians died in the bombardment but that it was unknown how many insurgents were killed.”

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/08/06/national/w085739D47.DTL#ixzz1UH47OJzd


42 posted on 08/06/2011 11:41:23 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ex-snook
Defending the world is missing creep.

You are wrong on two counts. First, the creep is hardly missing - you can always find him at the nearest golf field. Secondly, he is not defending anything and not allwing others to do it.

:-)

43 posted on 08/06/2011 11:57:51 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: Lancey Howard; bigheadfred; jazusamo; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

Do you remember the Seals on TV after the bin Laden operation begging (literally pleading, imploring) the media and (the national command authority) others to just shut up about the mission?

This shootdown has all the marks of operational methods having been deciphered by bad guys given critical clues by media and politicians.

Someone should be held to account!

The politicians damn insistence on fame and glory for themselves after bin Laden has gotten our guys killed.

Any idea how critical knowing that a helo went down for lack of lift near that bin Laden compound would be to a techie backed up by Russian or Chinese intel. Could they analyze that info to decipher no fly areas, altitudes, etc.?

Could they leak Mullah Omar info and just wait along NOW predictable corridors for the SpecOps guys to take the bait?

I’m sickened by this. Obama’s ego could be the cause of this loss.


44 posted on 08/06/2011 12:03:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
This was most definitely an ambush. I would suspect that someone on the inside (most likely an Afghan regular) tipped the Taliban as to the location of this helicopter and its mission.

I am puzzled as to why so many special forces were concentrated in one helicopter?

If you are doing a general troop movement, I can see it, but this was apparently part of a military operation.

I would think you would send a bunch of smaller helicopters carrying no more than 5 or 6 combat troops each and thereby minimize the risk that something like this could happen.

45 posted on 08/06/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
I’m sickened by this. Obama’s ego could be the cause of this loss.

Quite possibly true.

Very sad we have a narcissist for a CINC that believes he deserves the credit for our brave warriors deeds.

46 posted on 08/06/2011 1:01:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: P-Marlowe

See my #33


47 posted on 08/06/2011 1:12:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
This shootdown has all the marks of operational methods having been deciphered by bad guys given critical clues by media and politicians.

Wardak province is a central, high traffic area for rotor wing aviation, and well as lots of SOF raids. The locals and insurgents watch us non-stop. I was once mortared in Wardak as our Blackhawks landed. They had eyes on the LZ, and timed when we flew past to when they launched. The incoming started right as we were touching down.

Even if this flight was shot down (which seems to be unclear at this point), it was by insurgents who know our tactics. When they hold meetings, there's a chance we'll show up and kick in the door. You don't need CNN to tell you that. I'm not sure what operational methods the CNN could provide to tell a weapons team which hill to set up, when, in ambush for who.

One of the Afghan soldiers tipped off his buddies about the next target? Yeah, happens all the time. You have to watch those guys like hawks to make sure they're not texting as soon as they find what the mission is. That sort of intel is actionable.

Unless MSNBC is publishing Opords, the most likely culprit is either an internal OPSEC violation or a local sentry team that got a lucky hit on a packed bird.

Anyway, it's one thing to be upset, but another to let anger carry us away from reasonable conclusions.

48 posted on 08/06/2011 1:33:29 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: MayflowerMadam
“Bomb the Poppy fields and bring our young men home-alive.”

We don't even have to bomb them (unless they resist), just salt every province that is known for growing opium, salt it enough where NOTHING will grow for a generation.

God gave them the land to provide substinence, and they have used it to grow poison, poison that destroys mind and spirit, so F 'em.

49 posted on 08/06/2011 2:06:04 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Obama.....a perfect example of why you can't trust someone that won't look you in the eye)
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To: 4woodenboats

If we were to plan on salting the fields, you can bet a few select politicians would buy every oz of salt prior to the salting.


50 posted on 08/06/2011 2:10:54 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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