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Court says cities can ban layoffs by new owners
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 7/19/11 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 07/19/2011 9:40:09 AM PDT by Nachum

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To: Gen.Blather

Our family owned business just went through something a bit similar here in Illinois. Our employees opted to go union, and during the voting process, we were prohibited from selling or closing our business. Once the vote was ratified, the chances of us selling it were slim to none (this happened very fast, it took only a couple of months for the unions to muscle in).

As soon as it was ratified by the NLRB we began the process of closing the doors. We attempted to do it in a fair method, that would allow our creditors and us, time to liquidate assets and pay what we owed, by attempting to sell some of our assets to our other LLC’s and other contractors in the area. We were served an injunction to cease that activity, and were told that we had to keep our employees on the payroll as long as we were doing business (which we weren’t, we just hadn’t closed the books on the first company), so we had to have our attorneys shop a judge to certify our company was closed ASAP, and not “Doing Business As” one of our LLC’s.

A total pain in the ass, and the state and the unions continued to make it worse even after the fact, more of a punishment to us than anything else.


81 posted on 07/19/2011 12:13:45 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: FourPeas
"What IS it about natural consequences that these silly people don't understand?"

Like not understanding that behaviors that spread AIDS aren't just another lifestyle choice? No one in California understands anything any more. They've lived in a fantasy so long without having the bill come do they can't imagine that it ever will come do.

82 posted on 07/19/2011 12:15:05 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Lazamataz
148. (h) (1) Every person who, having been a permanent resident in the State of California as of 1/1/2012, who willfully and permanently attempts, or acts, in such a manner as to take up permanent residence in another state or country, is guilty of the felony crime of "Evading the State of California", and shall be punished with a term of imprisonment no less than three years and no greater than five years, or a fine of not exceeding ten-thousand dollars ($10,000), or by that and the aforementioned imprisonment combined.

This is BEYOND unconstitutional! And when it's discovered to be selectively enforced upon individuals with the means to relocate(read Conservative/Republican), then the meaning of People's Republic of Chinafornia becomes clear.

83 posted on 07/19/2011 12:23:08 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Amazing story!


84 posted on 07/19/2011 12:47:32 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.p)
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To: Nachum
Fine, then. Nobody gets "fired" or "laid off"; everyone gets "furloughed" two weeks before the change of ownership and the facilities are shut down 'cold and dark' to allow for refreshment and/or reconfiguration of the property and facilities (painting, signage, parking lot work, relocation of interior walls and fixtures, etc).

Terms of the furlough are as follows: employees' benefits continue, but nobody comes to work, nobody gets paid, and — upon the date at which the furlough goes into it's 20th week — everyone who has not already taken up employment elsewhere will either be brought back or given severance on a case-by-case basis.

After the transfer, the new owners continue refurbishing the facilities for another two or three weeks, while they maintain the furlough; allowing Father Time to do his inexorable work. Since there's no prohibition on new hiring, the new owners interview and hire a core group of new employees that begins regular full-time work at the facility within the first month after the transfer under new terms of employment set out entirely at the discrection of the new owners.

The following week, select former employees still on furlough are interviewed, and given the option to continue on furlough until the 20th week, and see what conditions are like then, or come back to work immediately under the new hour and wage structure to flesh out the core group of new people.

Ninety days after the new owners take over, bring the furlough to an end for any who are still hanging on, provide a modest severance of perhaps one week's pay, terminate benefits, advise them to seek competent financial advice regarding their 401k plans, and wish them all the best in their future endeavors.

85 posted on 07/19/2011 12:57:22 PM PDT by HKMk23 (YHVH NEVER PLAYS DEFENSE! WHICH MEANS; IF YOU'RE ON DEFENSE, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.)
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To: Tonytitan

You’ve been here since 2006 and you got taken in by a Lazamajoke?


86 posted on 07/19/2011 1:04:06 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: Lazamataz

Was I the only one?


87 posted on 07/19/2011 1:07:32 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: Nachum
Wow! Industrial strength stupid. Now no one will buy a business that is in trouble to fix it. Socialists idiots.
88 posted on 07/19/2011 1:14:08 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you voted for Obama to prove you are not racist, vote against him to prove you are not an idiot.)
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To: Tonytitan
Was I the only one?

Poor li'l feller.

Shouldn'a said that, he's just a boy, MMMM HMMMM.


89 posted on 07/19/2011 1:16:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
next will be a ban on companies being able to move away...

Something similar happens in Sweden and other super-Socialist Euro states. If you were rich, they would tax you even after you left the country based on the theory that you earned money while in the country. I have a fairly wealth friend who is a Swede who fought the tax authorities for about 10 years after he became a British citizen.

90 posted on 07/19/2011 1:38:41 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Lazamataz

You are joking, right? I do think California will at some point try to stop people from leaving, but has that law actually been proposed?


91 posted on 07/19/2011 2:45:17 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Hodar

Good point. It would be part of the negotiations when buying a business. Just don’t put it on paper or in an email.


92 posted on 07/19/2011 2:50:12 PM PDT by listenhillary (Social Justice is the epitome of injustice.)
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To: B4Ranch

Quote: “I’d appreciate your view on Obama, the man voted into office by 51% of American voters. Do the other 49% of us deserve him too?”

My view on Obama is simple, we started to reject him in 2011. In contrast, a majority of Californians did not and California was one of few places the GOP did poorly in 2010. No, California is paying for years and years and years and years of electoral stupidity. It is a shame that there are some good conservatives in that state. But my advice to them is to abandon ship and take the American flag with them on the way out.


93 posted on 07/19/2011 3:19:01 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: PastorBooks

He’s joking.

Today’s absurdities are often tomorrows reality. It’s happening more and more often.


94 posted on 07/19/2011 3:28:38 PM PDT by listenhillary (Social Justice is the epitome of injustice.)
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To: Nachum

This won’t stand challenge. Just another socialist Kalifornia move.


95 posted on 07/19/2011 3:30:43 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: calex59

About 30 years ago my husband had a good paying union job. When time came to renegotiate the contract, the union asked for bay area level wages (we are in the central valley where wages are lower, but so is cost of living). So the company closed down and only used family members for labor to get around the contract for 1 year. When they reopened, the union was out, and former union employees could not be rehired. So the workers lost, union lost, but the business stayed afloat. We held no ill will against the business, they did what they had to do to stay afloat.


96 posted on 07/19/2011 3:46:09 PM PDT by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesnÂ’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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To: PastorBooks
You are joking, right?

Pastor, who are you talking to right now?

You do know my screen name, don't you?

97 posted on 07/19/2011 4:24:46 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Or spend the next ninety days destroying files, setting up viruses and trojans, alienating customers, vandalizing, pretty much the same sort of destructive and vindictive behavior entitlement minded renters or defaulting mortgage holders have when forcibly evicted - they spend all of those days pouring concrete down the plumbing, ripping out the copper and introducing wild-life inside.

The better way to translate this is that the former employees are given a three months severance check. The only bright light in this is that it would thus be a crime for them to file for unemployment during this last ninety days. (though I am absolutely certain that 100% would try)

98 posted on 07/20/2011 5:19:28 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Nachum
News Think Thank: Illinois Public Pay Scales Out Of Sync With Private Sector July 20, 2011 8:41 AM CHICAGO (CBS) — A conservative think tank is warning that public sector pay scales are out of balance with those in the private sector. As WBBM Newsradio 780’s John Cody reports, Ted Dabrowski, vice president of the free market think tank the Illinois Policy Institute, found Illinois state worker pay has jumped 18 percent from 1992 to 2008. LISTEN: Newsradio 780′s John Cody reports But private sector pay scales dropped 2 percent in that time, he said. “Public sector pay and benefits are high, and it’s the private sector that has the tax increases that have to pay for them,” he said. “So we need to get things back in line, because today, they’re out of sync. Dabrowski says the average State of Illinois state employee is paid $69,500, versus $56,500 for the equivalent job in the private sector. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/20/think-thank-illinois-public-pay-scales-out-of-sync-with-private-sector/
99 posted on 07/20/2011 7:44:35 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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