Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

ap ^ | Jul 17, 2011 | BRUCE SCHREINER

[george76]

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.

[cripplecreek]

I think we have a definite right to oppose a clear and present danger in our communities.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

OK, when can I vote for this guy, and how far do I have to drive to do it?

[higgmeister]

BUMP for great justice!

[impimp]

I disagree with the legal principle of incorporation which makes the Constitution apply to states. I don’t believe a state has to guarantee religious liberty, or any other kind of liberty, just because the Constitution of the US says so. The US Constitution should apply to the federal government alone.

That is my take on Cain’s take.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Thanks, Herman. I wish more candidates would say this.

We separate church and state; the Musims unite it, and are therefore inherently seditious. We might be able to tolerate a Muslim religious population of minor amounts, which we should keep that way by discouraging immigration. But, we should not encourage grand mosques which act as political and military indoctrination centers.

[Kipp]

I’ve been meaning to donate to Cain for a while. This has spurred me to do it. I agree with Michael Savage that Islam is more a political and economic philosophy than a religion.

[Aevery_Freeman]

The lone requirement to be a US citizen is the unconditional adoption of the American creed. To grant freedom to others and demand it for yourself - to be neither slave nor slave-holder.

Adoption of the Muslim "faith" (more like Borg allegiance) is anathema to the American creed. one must adopt one or the other.

I applauded Herman Cain's understanding of this principal. I remain blessed with at least four attractive candidates; Palin, West, Bachmann and Cain.

[omega4179]

The US Government is arm in arm with radical islam through toleration of the brotherhood and CAIR, of allowing monies from overseas to flow to certain causes, and unchecked immigration and allowing training camps on our soil. If they just stopped all these things it would buy us decades more of religious freedom.

[oblomov]

~After reading the article, Cain’s argument still is not clear to me. They devoted more space to the rebuttal of a local politician than they did to Cain’s remarks. Is Cain saying that a community can abrogate property rights (a Muslim using his property as he sees fit) or abrogate the actual practice of Islam? Or is he saying that a community has the right to ban the application of Shariah law?

[elcid1970]

Who am I to vote for, Herman Cain or Lt. Col. West?

Both of them have blown off the muzzies, devil may care! They make me proud to be American.

Decisions, decisions!

[rodguy911]

Islam never was a religion but a political way of life masquerading as a religion. Does anyone dare compare it to a true religion

Mosques, Islamic centers they are nothing more than terror hideouts in the US preparing for the soft tyranny of takeover one day.

To allow these moooslims to build them all over at will usually with overseas money is like allowing the nazis to build bases anywhere they choose. Its crazy.

[oblomov]

>>I agree with Michael Savage that Islam is more a political and economic philosophy than a religion.

One could say that about any major religion. That was Nietzsche’s main argument against Christianity.

[sanjuanbob]

Stay the course Herman...people are beginning to appreciate your honest and direct approach.

[rodguy911]

I read it to me its specific to the proposed Murpheesboro mosque.seems the locals think the Mosque will do more than preach the muzzie gospel. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

[Tax-chick]

If municipalities have the authority to approve/disapprove any other building, they have the same authority over a mosque. Let ‘em rent an empty big-box store.

[drpix]

'Stephen Fotopulos, executive director of the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition, said Cain's comments "demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution."'

My @$$!!!! Hermain Cain is showing the same common sense as our founding fathers - who knew the difference between strictly a religion and a poltical-sovereign-religion.

I wonder if Fotopoulos can tell us what happened to the "Church of England" in the 13 colonies after American independence?

You see, the "Church of England" included an oath of political allegiance to the King in their "religion" and their clergy were not only required to take that oath, but also required to lead the congregation in the same oath at all church services.

Our founding fathers would have none of that and the Church of England congregations that would not change their religion to reflect republican values (becoming the Episcopal Church) were forced to flee the country.

The Left is again showing their ignorancy or dishonesty.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

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[Iron Munro]

Islam isn’t just a religion - it is many other things as well: political movement, terrorist organization, supporter of terrorists, quasi-military organization, legal system, economic system, etc., etc.

For these reasons Islam cannot be treated with the same respect and receive the same government protection as if it were solely a religious organization. To do so is to extend government protection to a terrorist organization whose goals are to commit genocide, overthrow the government and force citizens to live under the rules and laws of Islam.

[patriot08]

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Hear Allen West explain eloquently WHY Muslims are a danger to America in this short video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

We need a place for both Cain and this man in the new Republican administration in 2012.

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[fabian]

Of course they do! And that entire false religion is an enemy of our freedom according to it’s teachings. Get the hell out of America....or convert to christianity or judaism..we are at war here!

[fabian]

No we do not separate church and state. We simply do not mandate a federal religion. Islam mandates a false religion which they think is real!

[Blue Ink]

“One could say that about any major religion.”

Oh, stop it. Unlike Mohammed, Jesus didn’t advocate any particular form of government.

Neither does Christianity.

[drpix]

Post # 17 makes it clear: LINK

[cripplecreek]

If NAMBLA was building a headquarters in my little town they would be made to feel so uncomfortable that they would want to leave.

As it is we irritate the Ann Arbor transplants into submission or flight.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

the "Church of England" included an oath of political allegiance to the King in their "religion" and their clergy were not only required to take that oath, but also required to lead the congregation in the same oath at all church services.

Our founding fathers would have none of that and the Church of England congregations that would not change their religion to reflect republican values (becoming the Episcopal Church) were forced to flee the country.

I agree. China thinks the same about the Catholic church. They see the Vatican as a nation state, and so adherants to Catholicism have mixed allegiences. Some might disagree, but it's not a point they can dismiss out of hand.

But over time, Catholics have shown the way they live their lives to be generally concordant with America, and the mixed allegience has not generally mattered. Certainly it's not like Islam, which is 180 degrees opposed to America.

But from time to time it does matter. For example the Vatican has an open borders policy for the US, because most Mexicans are Catholic, they see more Mexicans coming to the US as good for their power.

Catholics on FR, in general, appear to oppose this policy. Which is great! But certainly the bulk of the Catholic infrastructure in the US supports it. Shouldn't one ask why we ignore that?

[fabian]

Yes, to hell with politically correct. let’s correctly save our country from communists intent on taking us totally over and islamist whackos.

[Windflier]

That’s a mighty powerful statement. Good on Herman for having the guts to say it.

[drpix]

China's objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion. Unlike in some Muslim countries the Catholic Church does not make appointments to political positions and reciprocally will not allow political states to make appointments to their clerical positions.

As for the Border issue, the Catholic Church is far from the only church advancing the wrongheaded open borders position.

[Grut]

It doesn't matter if the local Muslims are talking up Sharia and the Ummah or whatever, they still have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble to do it. And while a building permit can be denied to any religious group for any neutral reason, it can't be denied because the town fathers don't like them. That's all settled law, and Cain is just making a fool of himself if he's saying differently.

[RedMDer]

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[Christian Engineer Mass]

“China’s objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion.”

Come on now, read that again - it doesn’t make any sense. That’s not their objection, that’s their action; what they do.

Sure, liberal “churches” which don’t believe the Bible, don’t believe in anything like the virgin birth, that Jesus is coming again, etc. (ie. they are not by any reasonable definition Christians) also push open borders out of their leftism. I wasn’t using that as the premise, I was using it as an example of mixed allegience.

I would agree that leftists have mixed allegience also, but it’s a lot harder to pin down. It’s more about psychology today, with the leftists. Their other allegience is kind of their tribe, something which doesn’t exist in any place, although if you push many leftists you will find a soft spot for the traditional anti-US countries.

[skinkinthegrass]

here is something from 2008, explains a great deal......
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..
Frontline ^ | Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 from engrpat
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non- Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

[Christian Engineer Mass]

No they don’t. See post 17 for a counter example.

Don’t be fooled into thinking the constitution is a suicide pact.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

“United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%”

I don’t believe it’s that low. I’ve seen it there. It seems like more than 1 in 37.

[jwalsh07]

No they don’t. See post 17 for a counter example.

Post 17 doesn't obtain since Muslims do not swear allegiance to other countries as a religious requirement.

Herman Cain is wrong absent a zoning problem. If the thinks majorities can snub out religions or speech he's the wrong guy for the job.

[Dick Bachert]

YOU GO, HERMAN!
The more I hear from Herman, the more I like him.

[NurdlyPeon]

Adoption of the Muslim "faith" (more like Borg allegiance) is anathema to the American creed. one must adopt one or the other.

You know, I wonder if Gene Roddenberry might have been more visionary than we thought. In the original Star Trek, the Fereration represented America, while the Klingons probably were the Russians. The Romulans would be the Chinese, I imagine. Now. Let's see. The Muslims? Who shall we have represent the Muslims? Amazing the way that a Borg cube looks so much like that big black thing in Mecca, huh? Just sayin'.

[Cheetahcat]

Him and West Both get it,I have yet to hear that from Willard,or the rest of them!

[GOPJ]

Islam is a tight combination of religion and politics. We have the right to ban it on that basis... If Hitler had included the concept of a God that only backed German Nazi ideas, I doubt the people who fought World War II would have let them open 'Nazi churches' here...

Maybe there's a compromise...if IF and that's a BiG "IF" they are willing to separate out their 'religious' beliefs from the crazy political stuff - and absolutely NO war talk in the mosque - no killing talk - no " I speak for Allah" stuff - then it would be OK. But as it is now they should NOT be granted religious standing for what is primarily a paramilitary operation functioning under the guise of religion.

[o2bfree]

He never used the word “ban” in the interview.

The communists are putting words in Herman’s mouth.

[wolfman23601]

I generally like Cain, but he is wrong on this one. The constitution is clear.

[wolfman23601]

Have you read the 14th amendment?

[Renata Maree]

Herman really doesn’t seem to be afraid to tell it like it is.

[impimp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

Yes I have - although I am not that skilled at legal issues. The link above sort of outlines how the 14th amendment was not originally thought to apply to all/many rights. The US Supreme Court sort of rethought some things decades after the 14th amendment was passed. They incorporated these rights, in some cases about a century after the 14th was passed.

[numberonepal]

If NAMBLA was building a headquarters in my little town they would be made to feel so uncomfortable that they would want to leave.

Exactly! The solution isn't violence or government. The answer is to ostracize. If the community refuses to associate with the 7th Century savages, they'll eventually get the message and leave. Don't pick up their garbage or don't sell them groceries. Is your car or air conditioner in need of repair - "we won't help".

[He Rides A White Horse]

"Each time you have someone who is regarded as a mainstream political leader expressing these kind of hate-filled views, it just fans the flames of anti-Muslim bigotry nationwide," he said. "And it gives legitimacy to intolerance and hatred. And he, of all people, should realize this, being African-American.

This is what gives legitimacy to intolerance and hatred. No nation should tolerate this.

They wrote the opening chapter, and we will finish the rest of the book.

[PGalt]

HOORAY Herman Cain! Mosque/barracks/base camp ALERT!

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.

Fislam

[He Rides A White Horse]

Islam is at war with us. You don’t let the enemy sleep in your house.

[Salvavida]

I don't think President Adams would hold your point of view; and neither do many here. Common sense tells us the U.S. Constitution never intended a religion hostile to our existance is on equal terms:

John Quincy Adams on Islam:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, [.....] Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST.- TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.... Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant ... While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men."

Just sayin.