Conservative group backtracks on marriage pledge slavery language

Politico ^ | 07/09/2011 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

[Friendofgeorge]

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[bvw]

I understood the meaning of the original pledge's wording as this:

A black child born today in America has less of a chance, less hope, then a black child born in America when slavery was legal.

That's simply true. Simply, horribly, brutally true.

[bvw]

Following on my responsa at 42, I add this regarding Michele Bachmann:

Of all the Presidential candidates we now know of, including the known possibilities, including Herman Cain, Michele Bachamnn is the one candidate who will best understand the tragic plight of the black child born in America today.

And that understanding is due to her, her husband's and family's experience in caring for and loving the many foster children they have taken in.

For the plight of a black child born in America today is worse than that of an un-adoptable orphan.

[TheOldLady]

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[nopardons]

True, which it wasn’t, in this instance and just another reason why this “pledge” thing was so wrong, in so many different ways!

[nopardons]

Oh gee.........a spokesman is spinning so fast, I'm dizzy from reading that tripe. Where is Michele, herself, saying what she did or did not mean, by signing that dumb thing?

that may be a CYA move, but it's makes it look as though Bachmann didn't bother to read the pledge at all. This is another horrifying gaffe!

[nopardons]

I concur.

And I'm growing weary of Bachmann's feet in mouth moments, which are happening more and more often.

[nopardons]

No, that actually isn't, as worded!

Though there was ALWAYS the possibility of being sold, under slavery, being beaten, and kept in total ignorance ( though some slaves were taught/found a way to learn how to read ), today it isn't necessarily someone else keeping blacks in poverty, ignorance, and "enslaved", but they, themselves! Yes, they can now vote, someone doesn't exactly "own" them, but the Dem "slave masters" have pushed so many of them into a position that is untenable;or should be! And THAT should have been the way this "pledge" was written. It wasn't and it is also historically inaccurate,as I proved up thread, in an earlier post.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

And I'm growing weary of Bachmann's feet in mouth moments, which are happening more and more often.

I don't want to give up on Bachmann because I agree with her conservative views and her willingness to stand up to the homosexual agenda, but it's getting harder and harder to defend her against this.

[nopardons]

Her gaffes, mistakes, and endless excuses have put me off completely. She may say what we want to hear, sometimes,but instead of getting better, she's gotten worse and I'm finished giving her chances. She just isn't ready for the spotlight; let alone the presidency or VEEP positions.

[StonyBurk]

the most of Colin Powells’ politics I disagree with.He was right about the argument comparing skin color to sexual orientation being a “convenient but invalid argument”—but I disagree with nearly everything else I’ve seen attributed to him. I remember standing in military formation for two hours waiting on him at Ft.Carson CO. when he was still a rising star.. ..and I respect his service.But the left has done him no favors.No any who agree to work for a Republican Administration.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for your comments StoneyBurk. I believe we’re on the same page there.

[ilovesarah2012]

“Pledges” like these are stupid. They are meaningless and will only serve to make those that sign look like they support something they don’t. They aren’t laws or regulations. What is the point?

[Windflier]

“Pledges” like these are stupid. They are meaningless and will only serve to make those that sign look like they support something they don’t. They aren’t laws or regulations. What is the point?

I think a lot of them are well-meaning, but they're all too often thrust in the faces of candidates by some single issue group, who essentially demand that the candidate "SIGN THIS!", or be demonized by them.

I'd prefer for every candidate to simply be clear enough about where they stand on a range of issues, that they can't be forced to sign these pledges at all.

[RedMonqey]

Children born into slavery could be separated from their mothers and sold from the moment they were born, could be beaten or whipped, could be worked to exhaustion or death, could be starved, and could be raped. And sometimes they were - that's what slavery is all about.

So could be free workers as well!

This was an debate in antebellum times between Southern chattel slavery and Northern "wage slavery" !Put this in historical and economical context.

The slave owner paid thousands of dollars at the slave auction to have labour. Thus Slave owners had an economic interest in keeping his "property " i.e the slave and his family, as healthy as possible at the least expense. His Northern counterpart had labourors lined up at his factory gate begging for work. The northern industrialist could pay the worker "slave wages" and had no interest at all in the well being of his workers. The poorly paid "Free Labourer" could and would literally work to death in very bad, very hazodous conditions. When the worker got injured or sick, the industrialist would fire him and replace him easily with another. As far as the factory owner was concerned, the worker and his family could suffer starvation and death because no factory owner had an economic interest in keeping them alive.(Pre-unions)

. However when the slave got sick or died, the slave owner loss money in production and investment so it was in his own interest in keeping the slave healthy. This included the children of slaves as they could be sent to work at eight or nine or be sold. Thus it could be said slaves had a better chance at survival than the poor(majority)of free men.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Hawk720.

included a line at the opening of its preamble, which suggested that black children born into slavery were better off in terms of family life than African-American kids born today