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New York archbishop: ‘believers will soon be hauled into court’ for questioning gay ‘marriage’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/8/11 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 07/08/2011 12:31:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

NEW YORK, July 8, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - American Christians may one day find themselves facing legal penalties simply for believing marriage can only exist between a man and a woman, a fate already suffered by believers in other countries, said the leader of America’s most influential Catholic pulpit this week.

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York reflected on his blog Thursday on the recent legalization of gay “marriage” in New York, and what repercussions true marriage supporters can expect in the future.

He called it “haunting” that the marriage bill became law on the day Catholics celebrate the feast of the Birth of John the Baptist, “whom King Herod would behead because the saint dared to defend the God-given truth about marriage.”

“If the experience of those few other states and countries where this is already law is any indication, the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world,” wrote the archbishop.

Christians in the UK, Canada, and elsewhere have lost their jobs, been dragged through lengthy “human rights” proceedings, and faced steep fines for questioning the dangerous homosexual lifestyle, declining to facilitate gay “marriages,” or even failing to acknowledge “gay pride” events.

Dolan pointed out that editorials nationwide have been calling for an end to the Catholic Church’s religious liberties as a growing percentage of Americans consider defending true marriage a form of discrimination against homosexuals. The archbishop insisted the Church’s position was “never anti-gay.”

“As I replied recently to a reporter who asked if I had any message to the gay community, ‘Yes:  I love you.  Each morning I pray with and for you and your true happiness and well-being,’” he recalled.

Meanwhile, he says, the true aggressors have proven to be the gay “marriage” lobby.

“As one respected columnist has observed, the problem is not homophobia but theophobia — a hatred by some of God, faith, religion, and the Church,” he said.

Although Dolan said his brother bishops in New York were “particularly prophetic” in acknowledging an uphill battle on the marriage issue, Dolan said Christians would not back down on the truth.

“Like St. Thomas More, we’re willing to take the heat and even lose our head from following a conscience properly formed by God’s revelation and the teaching of His Church, even if it is politically incorrect, and clashes with the King’s demands to re-define marriage,” he said.

Read Archbishop Dolan’s full post here.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antireligion; atheismandstate; catholic; celebratesin; churchandstate; culturewar; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; orwelliannightmare; politicalcorrectness
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I personally know a priest who will die before ever giving in on this issue or ever “ marry “ any of these deeply troubled people.


21 posted on 07/08/2011 12:47:30 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: OpusatFR
My mother had the best reply when she was asked if she backed homosexual marriage: “My spirit does not accept that.”

How about, "There's no such thing; anymore than there are square circles."

22 posted on 07/08/2011 12:48:27 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: MrB
And when the commies accomplish their goals, they’ll be “discarded”.

Historically accurate, and the no longer "useful idiots" are usually systematically murdered.

I'm surprised the "intellectually superior" leftie pawns can't seem to notice the fact.

Comrade Stalin, save me!

23 posted on 07/08/2011 12:49:02 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Navy Patriot

I think it was Stalin himself that said

if they’ll betray their countrymen, they can’t be trusted not to betray the revolution


24 posted on 07/08/2011 12:50:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Graybeard58
We as Baptists don't have "excommunication", I'd settle for horse whipping them.

Sure they do. The SBC excommunicated at least 2 entire congregations over the past several years for homo affirming. It simply means to disfellowship.

25 posted on 07/08/2011 12:51:01 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I'm surprised the "intellectually superior" leftie pawns can't seem to notice the fact.

Inherent in leftist/communist ideology is the mindset that "I'm special" and that "I'll end up in charge".

26 posted on 07/08/2011 12:52:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: wagglebee

Tolerance for the perverts but not for the Believers. Its a one way street only.


27 posted on 07/08/2011 12:52:47 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: wagglebee
I had this conversation with my former pastor, who is biblically rock-solid when it comes to this issue. He didn't take it seriously. "This is America" and all that rot. But persecution is coming fast, now.

And yes, it will end in blood.

BTW, I'm a Protestant. Heck, I'm a Calvinist Protestant. But in this I will stand with my Catholic brothers and sisters 100%. Nothing makes me more passionate than uniting with Christians to defend the Word of God and His Church!

28 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:01 PM PDT by jboot
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To: Graybeard58

We can disfellowship them, though.

Of course, they can just go down the road to that liberal BAptist church, or even start their own


29 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:35 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: fwdude

Did the SBC use that word? Disfellowship, yes but I’d have to see a reference from the SBC that they excommunicate anyone or entity.


30 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes it is and that is why they try to disarm us.


31 posted on 07/08/2011 12:56:54 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: wagglebee
I agree with the Archbishop to the extent that this could happen but I don't think the 225,000,000 Americans calling themselves 'Christian' will be readily intimidated into bowing down to homosexual demands to make the refusal to recognize 'gay marriage into a criminal offense. I'm not saying this could never happen - look at the sorry state we're in today - just that Christians (even the nominal ones) are 75% of the U.S. population. However, 40 years ago homosexual behavior was considered a mental illness and something decent people avoided talking (or thinking) about, so anything can happen when a society decides to ignore God's law and embrace hedonism. In that sense, Archbishop Dalton's warning may be prophetic and is well taken.
32 posted on 07/08/2011 12:57:19 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Graybeard58

Mine also. But, I told him I would share the cell with him, that he wasn’t going alone because I believe as he does. I have one fine Christian, Gospel believing, Bible teaching pastor. In the traditional southern style. I love him and his message he brings from his heart and what the Holy Spirit inspires him to say.


33 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:13 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: redgolum
Sadly, most priests/pastors will turn. People don't want to risk the tax exempt subsidy.

Speaking of the tax exempt "subsidy" (not taxing someone isn't a subsidy) my pastor shocked me in a good way several months ago by saying he would not let the government dictate what he preached as the Gospel. He said if they threatened to take his tax exempt status, he'd say "take it!"

The "Theophobes'" constant threats and expressions of hatred is to "tax the churches" nowadays. But, predictably, revoking the tax exempt status of churches that won't bow before the state agenda won't placate the raving anarchists. They won't stop their vicious attacks until the church is pounded into dust. The "tax-exempt" excuse is just that - an excuse.

34 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:24 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Jim Scott

I’ve seen web pages calling for the Knights of Columbus to be labeled a “Hate Group”.


35 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:50 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: MrB
In actuality, it was a common plea from loyal Russians in work camps and collective farms when they were selected to starve to death because the collective had not met their quota and, as punishment, all production was taken by the government leaving none to carry them through the coming winter.

It was also heard in the Gulags and prison camps before execution for hoarding and black market crimes. It was heard a lot.

36 posted on 07/08/2011 1:02:07 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: fwdude

Pastors and their congregations need to get informed on the actual laws concerning tax exempt status.

You can give a whole sermon on politics, endorsing a particular candidate. If that is one out of 52 sermons given in a year, or better yet, one out of 100 (if you have Wednesday services and special services on holidays),

then your church would owe taxes on one dollar out of $100 for the time spent on the non-tax exempt activity.


37 posted on 07/08/2011 1:04:04 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Graybeard58

No, they use the word “disfellowship,” which is as strong as it gets in Baptist circles. Nobody “excommunicates” anymore, which implies treating as if the excommunicated is a heathen. It’s a shame, because treating an obstinate, willful offender as an unbeliever is thoroughly biblical.


38 posted on 07/08/2011 1:05:16 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes...it is going to come to blood...ours. It will not be long before there will be protestors marching around churches on Sunday mornings demanding masses be stopped. It will not be long before Christians are pulled before human rights courts to explain their “conversion” to pro-gay attitudes...or lose their jobs.

It’s coming and it’s coming fast.


39 posted on 07/08/2011 1:07:38 PM PDT by kjo
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To: livius
I don’t know if they’re Catholic or not, but if they are, they should be excommunicated.

Can we add the Governor to that list?

40 posted on 07/08/2011 1:08:06 PM PDT by Fair Paul
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