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New York archbishop: ‘believers will soon be hauled into court’ for questioning gay ‘marriage’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/8/11 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 07/08/2011 12:31:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

NEW YORK, July 8, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - American Christians may one day find themselves facing legal penalties simply for believing marriage can only exist between a man and a woman, a fate already suffered by believers in other countries, said the leader of America’s most influential Catholic pulpit this week.

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York reflected on his blog Thursday on the recent legalization of gay “marriage” in New York, and what repercussions true marriage supporters can expect in the future.

He called it “haunting” that the marriage bill became law on the day Catholics celebrate the feast of the Birth of John the Baptist, “whom King Herod would behead because the saint dared to defend the God-given truth about marriage.”

“If the experience of those few other states and countries where this is already law is any indication, the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world,” wrote the archbishop.

Christians in the UK, Canada, and elsewhere have lost their jobs, been dragged through lengthy “human rights” proceedings, and faced steep fines for questioning the dangerous homosexual lifestyle, declining to facilitate gay “marriages,” or even failing to acknowledge “gay pride” events.

Dolan pointed out that editorials nationwide have been calling for an end to the Catholic Church’s religious liberties as a growing percentage of Americans consider defending true marriage a form of discrimination against homosexuals. The archbishop insisted the Church’s position was “never anti-gay.”

“As I replied recently to a reporter who asked if I had any message to the gay community, ‘Yes:  I love you.  Each morning I pray with and for you and your true happiness and well-being,’” he recalled.

Meanwhile, he says, the true aggressors have proven to be the gay “marriage” lobby.

“As one respected columnist has observed, the problem is not homophobia but theophobia — a hatred by some of God, faith, religion, and the Church,” he said.

Although Dolan said his brother bishops in New York were “particularly prophetic” in acknowledging an uphill battle on the marriage issue, Dolan said Christians would not back down on the truth.

“Like St. Thomas More, we’re willing to take the heat and even lose our head from following a conscience properly formed by God’s revelation and the teaching of His Church, even if it is politically incorrect, and clashes with the King’s demands to re-define marriage,” he said.

Read Archbishop Dolan’s full post here.


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“If the experience of those few other states and countries where this is already law is any indication, the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world,” wrote the archbishop.

Zero would put us in gulags tomorrow if he thought he could get away with it.

1 posted on 07/08/2011 12:31:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; Coleus; Pyro7480
This needs to get pinged!
2 posted on 07/08/2011 12:33:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s going to come to blood.


3 posted on 07/08/2011 12:33:53 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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4 posted on 07/08/2011 12:33:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Maybe the hierarchy should have spoken more forcefully in previous elections, not on the eve of this vote; they might change a few minds if they assertively state that people are endangering their immortal souls by openly defying God on something He spoke quite forcefully about.


5 posted on 07/08/2011 12:34:32 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: wagglebee
Yes, gays can get “married”, but is will never be “marriage, marriage” if you know what I mean.
6 posted on 07/08/2011 12:36:37 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Breitbart for a Pulitzer Prize)
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To: wagglebee

I believe it. Absolutely.


7 posted on 07/08/2011 12:36:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I wish that wasn't the case, but I don't see any other way at this point.

America is facing a moral crisis every bit as great as the one brought on by slavery a century and a half ago.

8 posted on 07/08/2011 12:37:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kearnyirish2

They have been quite forthright, at least in New York, for some time. It took just two GOP state reps to turn traitor on this one. I don’t know if they’re Catholic or not, but if they are, they should be excommunicated.


9 posted on 07/08/2011 12:37:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: Quix
This goes along with what you and I were talking about the other day.
10 posted on 07/08/2011 12:38:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kearnyirish2

> Maybe the hierarchy should have spoken more forcefully in
> previous elections,

Maybe they should have publically excommunicated pro-homo and pro-abort politicians like the Cuomos, Kennedys, etc.


11 posted on 07/08/2011 12:38:45 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: wagglebee

This is the whole point behind the left backing “gay rights” -

the criminalization of Christianity.

The left/commies couldn’t care less about the homos, they’re just a weapon or tool. And when the commies accomplish their goals, they’ll be “discarded”.


12 posted on 07/08/2011 12:39:12 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
You are exactly right!
13 posted on 07/08/2011 12:40:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The “gay marriage” push is simply about being able to punish with state power those who won’t buy into the statists and homosexualists ever devolving take on marriage.

Freegards


14 posted on 07/08/2011 12:41:27 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: wagglebee

My mother had the best reply when she was asked if she backed homosexual marriage: “My spirit does not accept that.”


15 posted on 07/08/2011 12:41:43 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: wagglebee

It’s coming. If I want to hear the truth from my Pastor, I’ll have to visit him in jail. he’s already told us that’s where he will be if the government out laws any part of the Gospel.


16 posted on 07/08/2011 12:42:11 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: livius
I don’t know if they’re Catholic or not, but if they are, they should be excommunicated.

We as Baptists don't have "excommunication", I'd settle for horse whipping them.

17 posted on 07/08/2011 12:44:36 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Horsewhipping would probably work too.


18 posted on 07/08/2011 12:45:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: kearnyirish2
As long as the Catholic Church (or any other group)persists in following the dictates of the “social justice” crowd, they are going to reap the whirlwind of the wind they have sown.

It's just too bad they drag us “Social justice is no jusice” people down along with them.

That being said, the Catholic Church, along with those Protestant churches that preach the true Gospel, and other groups that follow the dictates of their religion instead of those of secular liberalism, are probably in for a hard time over the coming years.

19 posted on 07/08/2011 12:46:08 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Probably ours, I fear.

Sadly, most priests/pastors will turn. People don't want to risk the tax exempt subsidy.

20 posted on 07/08/2011 12:46:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: All

I personally know a priest who will die before ever giving in on this issue or ever “ marry “ any of these deeply troubled people.


21 posted on 07/08/2011 12:47:30 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: OpusatFR
My mother had the best reply when she was asked if she backed homosexual marriage: “My spirit does not accept that.”

How about, "There's no such thing; anymore than there are square circles."

22 posted on 07/08/2011 12:48:27 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: MrB
And when the commies accomplish their goals, they’ll be “discarded”.

Historically accurate, and the no longer "useful idiots" are usually systematically murdered.

I'm surprised the "intellectually superior" leftie pawns can't seem to notice the fact.

Comrade Stalin, save me!

23 posted on 07/08/2011 12:49:02 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Navy Patriot

I think it was Stalin himself that said

if they’ll betray their countrymen, they can’t be trusted not to betray the revolution


24 posted on 07/08/2011 12:50:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Graybeard58
We as Baptists don't have "excommunication", I'd settle for horse whipping them.

Sure they do. The SBC excommunicated at least 2 entire congregations over the past several years for homo affirming. It simply means to disfellowship.

25 posted on 07/08/2011 12:51:01 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I'm surprised the "intellectually superior" leftie pawns can't seem to notice the fact.

Inherent in leftist/communist ideology is the mindset that "I'm special" and that "I'll end up in charge".

26 posted on 07/08/2011 12:52:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: wagglebee

Tolerance for the perverts but not for the Believers. Its a one way street only.


27 posted on 07/08/2011 12:52:47 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: wagglebee
I had this conversation with my former pastor, who is biblically rock-solid when it comes to this issue. He didn't take it seriously. "This is America" and all that rot. But persecution is coming fast, now.

And yes, it will end in blood.

BTW, I'm a Protestant. Heck, I'm a Calvinist Protestant. But in this I will stand with my Catholic brothers and sisters 100%. Nothing makes me more passionate than uniting with Christians to defend the Word of God and His Church!

28 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:01 PM PDT by jboot
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To: Graybeard58

We can disfellowship them, though.

Of course, they can just go down the road to that liberal BAptist church, or even start their own


29 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:35 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: fwdude

Did the SBC use that word? Disfellowship, yes but I’d have to see a reference from the SBC that they excommunicate anyone or entity.


30 posted on 07/08/2011 12:53:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes it is and that is why they try to disarm us.


31 posted on 07/08/2011 12:56:54 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: wagglebee
I agree with the Archbishop to the extent that this could happen but I don't think the 225,000,000 Americans calling themselves 'Christian' will be readily intimidated into bowing down to homosexual demands to make the refusal to recognize 'gay marriage into a criminal offense. I'm not saying this could never happen - look at the sorry state we're in today - just that Christians (even the nominal ones) are 75% of the U.S. population. However, 40 years ago homosexual behavior was considered a mental illness and something decent people avoided talking (or thinking) about, so anything can happen when a society decides to ignore God's law and embrace hedonism. In that sense, Archbishop Dalton's warning may be prophetic and is well taken.
32 posted on 07/08/2011 12:57:19 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Graybeard58

Mine also. But, I told him I would share the cell with him, that he wasn’t going alone because I believe as he does. I have one fine Christian, Gospel believing, Bible teaching pastor. In the traditional southern style. I love him and his message he brings from his heart and what the Holy Spirit inspires him to say.


33 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:13 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: redgolum
Sadly, most priests/pastors will turn. People don't want to risk the tax exempt subsidy.

Speaking of the tax exempt "subsidy" (not taxing someone isn't a subsidy) my pastor shocked me in a good way several months ago by saying he would not let the government dictate what he preached as the Gospel. He said if they threatened to take his tax exempt status, he'd say "take it!"

The "Theophobes'" constant threats and expressions of hatred is to "tax the churches" nowadays. But, predictably, revoking the tax exempt status of churches that won't bow before the state agenda won't placate the raving anarchists. They won't stop their vicious attacks until the church is pounded into dust. The "tax-exempt" excuse is just that - an excuse.

34 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:24 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Jim Scott

I’ve seen web pages calling for the Knights of Columbus to be labeled a “Hate Group”.


35 posted on 07/08/2011 12:58:50 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: MrB
In actuality, it was a common plea from loyal Russians in work camps and collective farms when they were selected to starve to death because the collective had not met their quota and, as punishment, all production was taken by the government leaving none to carry them through the coming winter.

It was also heard in the Gulags and prison camps before execution for hoarding and black market crimes. It was heard a lot.

36 posted on 07/08/2011 1:02:07 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: fwdude

Pastors and their congregations need to get informed on the actual laws concerning tax exempt status.

You can give a whole sermon on politics, endorsing a particular candidate. If that is one out of 52 sermons given in a year, or better yet, one out of 100 (if you have Wednesday services and special services on holidays),

then your church would owe taxes on one dollar out of $100 for the time spent on the non-tax exempt activity.


37 posted on 07/08/2011 1:04:04 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Graybeard58

No, they use the word “disfellowship,” which is as strong as it gets in Baptist circles. Nobody “excommunicates” anymore, which implies treating as if the excommunicated is a heathen. It’s a shame, because treating an obstinate, willful offender as an unbeliever is thoroughly biblical.


38 posted on 07/08/2011 1:05:16 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes...it is going to come to blood...ours. It will not be long before there will be protestors marching around churches on Sunday mornings demanding masses be stopped. It will not be long before Christians are pulled before human rights courts to explain their “conversion” to pro-gay attitudes...or lose their jobs.

It’s coming and it’s coming fast.


39 posted on 07/08/2011 1:07:38 PM PDT by kjo
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To: livius
I don’t know if they’re Catholic or not, but if they are, they should be excommunicated.

Can we add the Governor to that list?

40 posted on 07/08/2011 1:08:06 PM PDT by Fair Paul
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To: wagglebee

I do not what hole in the ground most people have their head stuck in but people are already being punished by the state for holding beliefs against gay marriage or against the views the left-wing has on homosexuality. People have been fired from jobs for not holding left-wing beliefs, businesses have been punished by Courts for being against left-wing views on homosexuality as well. So why in the world would anyone think that the Church will end up any different being the way many on the left hate Christianity?

It amazes that anyone can doubt the 100% fascist agenda of the left-wing homosexual movement. They will not accept any freedom of expression on this issue nor will they ever have tolerance for Christianity or traditional values. Those who do not start fighting back on this issue full force are setting our children up to be under the rule of a evil and perverse fascist movement.


41 posted on 07/08/2011 1:08:15 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: wagglebee

“The archbishop insisted the Church’s position was “never anti-gay.””

This is why they fail. There is no such thing as a state of “being gay”. Gay is a desire for abnormal destructive behavior. Being anti-gay is good.


42 posted on 07/08/2011 1:10:12 PM PDT by Varda
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To: wagglebee; zot; Interesting Times

Yep, part of plot to outlaw Christianity and morality.


43 posted on 07/08/2011 1:11:15 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: wagglebee

The Government can pass all the laws they want. Perverts will always be perverts.


44 posted on 07/08/2011 1:15:56 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Jim Scott

Jimbo, they teach gay marriage in public skool in CT. And ya can’t sign a waiver to get your kid excused from the class.


45 posted on 07/08/2011 1:16:49 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: rbg81

They want us to be more tolerant than they are


46 posted on 07/08/2011 1:16:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: wagglebee
THOUGHTCRIME

Brought to you by the Lavender Mafia using Gaystapo tactics.

Orwell was off by a few years.

47 posted on 07/08/2011 1:20:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask Barack Obama this election if he believes Jesus Christ rose from the dead and walked among men.)
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To: wagglebee

Unjustified Government involvement in marriage needs to be ended.


48 posted on 07/08/2011 1:21:19 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Ransomed; wagglebee; All

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.” Skousen claimed Communists sought to encourage the practice of masturbation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist

Communist goals stated in 1958 and guess whom you can find behind the movement (bad choice of words...) Yep Communist who want to take down the US.

Evil is on the March speak out!


49 posted on 07/08/2011 1:23:42 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: wagglebee

There’s been talk about jailing ‘global warming deniers’ as well. The left wants facism.


50 posted on 07/08/2011 1:25:10 PM PDT by Spok
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