Posted on 07/06/2011 3:30:05 PM PDT by Syncro
Wasn't the entire trial shown on TV? If so, why do you accuse people of getting their "evidence" from the likes of Nancy Grace. I think you and a few others on these threads like to use TV pundits as strawmen for your ridiculous arguments about mob mentality.
Thanks, I thought you knew that..
...Very popular, but many a bad thing has enjoyed a popularity for a time.
Yes, and it is the way that a man is portrayed in those cartoons and 84.351% of portrayals on TV that have had an immense impact on how men are viewed.
Media does influence.
Right on about the "put duct tape on baby and Partaaaay"--- selfish murderer affectionately called the "tot mom"
First of all I still see people posting and I still hear pundits quoting “facts” that were not presented into evidence or was impeached or proven to be false.
Ridiculous arguments for mob mentality? Now this mob wants to hang the jury. And the judge is concerned for their safety.
As far as I’m concerned there were three people who got away with something. The worst of which was murder. The least of which was illegally disposing of a body. But the woman was found not guilty. In this country we no longer lynch people. Well, from what I see going on here and on the streets of Orlando there are some who want to start doing it again.
Finally, if the jurors’ names are released there will be innocent people convicted because jurors will vote “guilty” no matter what because they’ll be afraid to vote not guilty. They’ll be afraid of what the mob will do to them.
I can’t tell if you missed what I was saying or not. I think you are implying that everyone who saw the entire trial and the evidence presented were wrong if they disagreed with the jury. You appear to calling it a mob because so many people disagree with the jury. Twelve different people on the jury might have convicted Ms Anthony.
During the closing argument the prosecutor said “Someone in that house killed her.” There were three people “in that house”. He picked one of the three to prosecute. By saying that he told the jury there is a 33% chance Casey did it. He gave the jury an “out”. And not one pundit or poster wants to respond to that fact.
Reminds me of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD. The mob wanted to lynch the guy before there was a trial. There are people on here and all over the world who want to lynch AFTER a trial with a “not guilty” verdict. That’s a mob mentality. And it’s scary to know people who call themselves conservatives want to do away with the rule of law. We either live by the law or we don’t.
[[this evil creature had a missing 2 year old for 30 days and did not call the cops ?
her family called the police after she stalled them for a month ?
She went on a cruise while her baby was missing and made up some story about a phony person taking her kid ?]]
Not to mention, she abandoned the car- most likely because it stunk too bad to keep driving,
she kept on whoring around- now unencombered (in hwer mind) by a troublesome daughter-
Sher goes out and gets a tatoo-
She tells different people DIFFERENT thigns about wherre her daughter was-
She keeps lying to police,
Now she tells her cell mate she ‘wants more children’? Nothign about the loss of her child? Just that she ‘wants more hcildren’? Like they are nothign more than a toy that when broken or missing can simply be replaced?
This EVIL woman NEEDS to be baqrred from EVER having contact with children ever again!!!
The jury should be tried for being criminally negligent- they have allowed a murderer back o nthe streets
The jury ‘felt sick voting to exhonorate Casey because, They felt that she waS GUILTY’?
wHAT MORONS! oF course THEY FELT cASEY WAS GUILTY because the prosecution did their job, presented evidence to make them feel that way, and presented enough circumstantuial evidence to fry her- yet the jury was criminally negligent in their duty to convict her.
One joror (and I’m assuming possibly other jurors too) felt Casey ‘was a good mom’? WTH? Unfriggin real!
[[By saying that he told the jury there is a 33% chance Casey did it. He gave the jury an “out”. And not one pundit or poster wants to respond to that fact.]]
Noone else other than Cacee had the motive to kill caylee, and NOONE else LIED for 31 datys while the other two in the hosue desperately searched for their granddaughter aqnd niece. ALL the other members of the hosuehold had to drill and drill and drill Casey in order to try to get a strasight answer out of her, which she NEVER gave them- EVERONE else in the hosuehold put all of their time into tryign to find Caylee, Everyoen EXCEPT Caycee who was still out whoring aroudn and partying and ‘living the good life’ while her family was desperate and not knowing which way to turn- Cacee partied and whored while her precious little daughter was rotting in a swamp and peopel all over florida were desperately tryign to find her
The prosecution did hteir job- they presented ENOUGH circumstantial evideence to clearly show that the ONLY person who had motive to kill Caylee was Caycee and ONLY Carcee- noone else. NOONE wants to do away with hte ‘rule of law’ the rule of law was NOT upheld- the jury was negligent i ntheir decision. This was a dry bones case, very little evidence, BUT ENOUGH evidence WAS given to show, at the very least, negligent crimkinal homicide.
The jury HAD to point to theories in order to justify their decision? Yet they REJECTED much more plausible theories presented by the prosecution? Nope- Justice was not done
So before Ann or anyone else starts ripping single mothers, lets remember our own lifestyles and make sure we are setting the right examples to young people in our families and towns. Sexual activity is NOT okay unless you are married to the person. Until society - Hollywood, et. al. - returns to the standards that were designed for our benefit by our Creator, then we cannot expect to resolve a problem that happens AFTER that virtue gets violated.
Or, refusing to subsidize unwed motherhood. When Welfare was changed to award a women more money for every new baby she she had, no wonder the unwed pregnancy rate went up. When government provides housing, food, money and other assistance, where is the downside?
I volunteered at a Crisis Pregnancy Center for a number of years and I can't tell you the number of young teens that used their pregnancy to get out of their homes and get set up in their own place with a baby "that will love me". They were in a dream world and most of the time, the harsh reality came crashing down on them when they realized it was not all fun and games taking care of a baby twenty-four hours a day. Still, they knew all about how much the government would pay them and what they could get. It was a sad environment to bring a child into. It will only change when unmarried sex is shunned, men who father babies are forced to support them and society stops doling out money supporting and encouraging unwed motherhood.
You are exactly right on this!
Again you’re quoting stuff that wasn’t presented as evidence. The prosecution did NOT present a motive other than a theory that she wanted to party. I don’t buy it. Cindy took care of Caylee all the time. Plus many people testified she was a loving mother.
Everyone was busy looking for Caylee? I believe that would be everyone EXCEPT Casey AND George. George was a doting grandfather? He was busy out having an affair with a woman who volunteered to search for Caylee. She had his texts saying “I need you in my life”. In fact, while he was hitting on a woman he could have been reporting Caylee missing. That WAS presented as evidence. That makes it at least a 50% chance she didn’t do it. A forensinc shrink, regular contributor, said on Fox that George’s actions, suicide note, etc. is what he’s seen murderers do. But he’s never seen an innocent man do it. For some reason Fox hasn’t had him on since.
What bothers me is people who say they want the rule of law yet want to execute someone AFTER they’ve been found not guilty by a jury. And those of you who do are the ones who refuse to see the facts I listed above. In fact, you didn’t really respond to the prosecutor’s statement of “Someone in that house killed her”. I believe he let that slip the same way he let his laugh. If I was on the jury that would have been enough to vote not guilty.
I doubt very seriously you watched the entire trial. So you got a lot of “facts” from Nancy Grace, et al. Since I just gave you some facts that were presented as evidence, case closed. That means I want argue oppinion and TV evidence with you anymore so don’t waste the band width. Spend you time working on a new law that if enough “circumstancial evidence” is presented by the media no trial will be required. Guilty by the press!
The last thing I’ll say is just what the prosecutor said: “Someone in that house killed Caylee.” The parents are just as responsible as Casey.
[[Plus many people testified she was a loving mother.]]
Yes, goodm others always drop their kid off all the time with gramma so they can go out and whore around, OR keep the kid in the car outside, alone and scared, (according to the former boyfriend) while they go inside and whore around- Good mothers LIE about their kid being missing repeatedly!!!
[[That makes it at least a 50% chance she didn’t do it.]]
BS! Cacee is STILL the prime suspect- George WAS out looking for his grandaughter- He even bought a gun to confront ANYONE who might have either taken Caylee OR knew about where she was! Don’t you sit htere and claim he didn’t give a crap!
[[A forensinc shrink, regular contributor, said on Fox that George’s actions, suicide note, etc. is what he’s seen murderers do. But he’s never seen an innocent man do it.]]
I heard the ‘forensic shrink’ make that claim- however, As the shrink HIMSELF had just got done stating- people in extreme greif do ALL manner of things- He had just got done excusing away Caycee’s actiosn as ‘being consistant’ with ‘grief’ when he turns right around and states that theree’s ‘no way’ a grandfather can be so distraught that he’d want to kill himself? BS! George was goign through a LOT at that time- MANY MANY families split up in cvrisis situations, and MANY MANY people get so despondant that they contemplate takign hteiro wn lives for feeling like failures!!! That ‘forensic shrink’ Was talking pure bullshit!- Excusing the #1 suspect’s actiosn while incriminating someone else by making a bullshit statement!
[[What bothers me is people who say they want the rule of law yet want to execute someone AFTER they’ve been found not guilty by a jury]]
Who’s callign for an execution? All we wanted was justice done- the jury DENIED justice- They all claimed they were ‘sick to hteir stomachs’ when they gave their vote? Why? I’ll tell you why, because they felt caycee had doen hte crime- Why did they feel that? Yup- because the prosecution had presented ENOUGH evidence to show that Caycee was NOT the good mother her friends said she was, and that she had NO remorse or feeligns towards Caycee and ONLY cried when it was abotu Her- NOT her daughter- Her actiosn in the courtroom were consistant with actiosn testified to by those who knew her, which painted a beyond reasonable doubt picture that Caycee WAS indeed capable of the crime and had the motive to commit it- She is so detached from reality that she tells a Cellie she ‘wants more children’- and makes no mention of Caylee? Like ‘oh well, Cayleee is gone- I’ll just pop another few out”
[[I doubt very seriously you watched the entire trial.]]
Bzzzt wrong answer
[[So you got a lot of “facts” from Nancy Grace, et al]]
Bzzzt- Wrong again- I got my facts lsitenign to the lawyers during hte trial
[[Since I just gave you some facts that were presented as evidence, case closed.]]
What ‘facts’ did you give? ThaT George was having an affair after he and his wife were having trouble? That Caycee’s friends think she was ‘a goodm other’ (despite the FACT that ??Caycee was ALWAYS out partying into the wee hours of the morning while Gramma was essentially raising Caylee? Yep- real ‘good mother’), That some ‘forensic shrink, because he never personally had seen despondant people commit suicide that that means it never happens?
[[The last thing I’ll say is just what the prosecutor said: “Someone in that house killed Caylee.” The parents are just as responsible as Casey.]]
NOONE else in that house had motive- ONLY casey had motive- ONLY casety LIED about where her daughter was for 31 days- ONLY casey made up elaborate LIES about her employement so that herm other would be thrown OFF the track- ONLY casey LIED to police about fictional ‘rich friends’ and ONLY casey LIED abotu the nanny being responsibkle for ‘taking caylee- ONLY Casey abandoned the car when the smell got so bad she couldn’t stand it-
And you talk about us ‘judging’ this case without facts? All you have is insinuations about George, and you’re ready to accuse them even htough neither of them had any motive to kill her- ONLY caycee had motive- ONLY caycee LIED- Either youm isseed all those FACTS watchign your nancy grace updates, , or the facts mean nothing to you IF they go to show that ONLY Caycee had motive
[[That means I want argue oppinion and TV evidence with you anymore so don’t waste the band width.]]
That’s funny, because with the exception of mentioning the text messages, and the fact that gramma ha to practically raise Caylee while her daiughter was out whoring aroudn and whooping it up (while ‘being a goodm other’ lol), that is precisely what you have been ‘arguing’ with me- pure opinion
you wanna get nasty in discussing htis? it’s up to you- I’m game- I waTCHED THE TRIAL FROM START TO FINISH- so your little insinuation is baseless but if you wanna keep shooting off snide little remarks like you did- by all means- fire away!
That would be poetic justice.
You just wasted your time posting everything the prosecutor said. And just like him, you lost. ha! ha!
yeah I didn’t think you had any cogent arguments to back up youir claim0 yes, the prosecution lost because 12 jurors were too stupid to understand that ‘beyond reason able doubt doesn’t mean a video tape of them urder had to be present in order to get a convictioon- I didn’t waste any time pionting out that your arguments were baseless- and quite frankly- laughing about a murderess getting aweay with murder because 12 jurors showed the world they were incompetent to sit in judgement over such a serious case is both childish and uncalled for-
I pointed out that you presented nothing but assumptions and that’s all you can come back with? Sorry- my mistake- I assumed I was discussing an issue with someone mature enough listen and respond without having to resort to ‘ha ha’- once aghain- our justice system has failed, and all you can do is laugh and throw it in the face of those who watched and understood that a clear case of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ was presented and hsoudl have been more than enough to get a conviction of aggravated manslaughter? Swell- So yeah- keep laughing- whatever- but don’t expect anyoen to take your future coments seriously if it’s your position to run away from your arguments when someone points out mistakes in your points
I’ve been a married woman for more than 10 years now with 3 more children added to the fold. As a converted Catholic, since my sins of my teenaged years have been forgiven by my Father, than I really don’t understand why I shouldn’t be proud of the decisions I have made since. When it comes down to it, that’s all that matters to me. Human beings can feel free to pass judgement on me all they want. I will continue to live my life with my Lord as my guideline.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t be proud of the good decisions you’ve made since your bad decisions. Clearly you understand you messed up and have acted responsibly since. That doesn’t necessarily mean you should be held up as an exceptional example for others, as it would have been smarter and wiser not to have made those mistakes in the first place. The truly exceptional are those who have the strength of character and conviction to do what is right from an early age. Sadly, I’m not one of them, but I know of some.
My mother was adopted as an infant and has really had no desire to find her birth parents or even know anything about them. I offered years ago to research and see if I could find her birth records. After thinking about it for a while, she decided not to do it. She had a wonderful childhood as she describes it and was close to her parents.
I’m also adopted but only by my step-father, I didn’t have much of a relationship with my birth father or his family as a child. I also didn’t have a great childhood and am not close to my parents as an adult. I always wanted to find my birth father and his family and as an adult I found them. I now have a wonderful relationship with my biological sister and fathers family. He passed away years ago without me getting to know him.
Like you I’ve helped people locate their birth parents and families and it seems to me that the desire to find birth parents outside of curiosity or for medical reasons has more to do with how happy and/or close an adopted “child” is with their adopted parents. Of course I have no statistics to back this up but it does seem, and in my experience, adopted children with great childhoods and good relationships with their parents do not feel as much of a need to find their birth parents while those of us who do not have good relationships with their adopted parent(s) seem to need/desire to find their birth parents more.
Of course, there is always the fear of rejection when looking for birth parents. I had been told for many years that my father and his family had absolutely no interest in seeing or knowing me. It was not until I searched out and found my sister did I learn my bio-father spent years looking for me, never actually signed away his parental rights (long story) and even on his death bed talked about me. His family welcomed me with open arms and treats me as if I’ve always been part of the family. Others are not so lucky. Even with the risk of rejection though, the desire to find and be accepted by someones birth parents when the adopted relationship was not good is so strong many people are perfectly willing to take that chance, just to know.
All of these things that you describe have been glorified by the media since Hugh Heffner back in the fifties. Looking back we can see the proof of how powerful the entertainment media is and how totally follow-the-leader dumb so many human beings are.
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