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CA college students brace for state budget cuts
ktul ^

Posted on 07/02/2011 8:32:18 PM PDT by LouAvul

California college students are bracing for higher tuition bills and fewer courses and campus services under a new state budget that once again slashes spending on higher education.

The budget signed Thursday by Gov. Jerry Brown inflicts the latest blow to California's renowned higher education system, which has helped make the state an economic powerhouse and served as a model for other states and countries.

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TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: budgetcuts; college; education; tuition
I attended the community college system and Cal State. If those idiots would dump preferred treatment for illegals, eliminate idiot programs like gender equality and sex ed, they could fix the system.
1 posted on 07/02/2011 8:32:31 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

i wonder what percentage of them voted for obama?

and brown?

they deserve what they voted for.


2 posted on 07/02/2011 8:34:47 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: LouAvul

You know, the students could just take more in loans, or get a part time job. Radical ideas, I admit!


3 posted on 07/02/2011 8:36:39 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant
"the students could just take more in loans

Yeah, whats another fifty grand? No problemo.

4 posted on 07/02/2011 8:37:47 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: LouAvul

Hey lad you are so correct. The clowns in Sacto don’t give a
damn about the hardworking legal honest students like you and it appears that you’ve figured that out. Now start imparting this insite to your fellow students. Good Luck!


5 posted on 07/02/2011 8:39:07 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: LouAvul
12,000 tuition is a bargain out here in the World. Let these idiots come out of their bell jar and breathe the cold clear air of reality for a while.
6 posted on 07/02/2011 8:41:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: LouAvul

I have no problem with people being charged for their own education. These idiots will riots if they have to spend an extra buck.


7 posted on 07/02/2011 8:42:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: LouAvul
“Democrats blamed Republicans for the deep cuts to higher education and other public services because they refused to support the governor's proposal to extend temporary increases to the sales, vehicle and income taxes the Legislature approved two years ago.” These taxes were supposed to fix the budget problem 2 years ago and yet it did nothing so how can people actually believe that by extending those tax measures it would have make the deficit go away now? But Alas they did manage to get a $12.00 fee for car registration
8 posted on 07/02/2011 8:43:27 PM PDT by funfan
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To: hinckley buzzard

Basket Weaving 101 might not be worth $25 more. heh


9 posted on 07/02/2011 8:43:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Ted Grant

A sharp student would figure out a way to turn the
loss of services to his/her advantage...


10 posted on 07/02/2011 8:44:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ted Grant
Here's a really rad idea--go to work first and earn some money, and save it for college. Don't buy idiot toys at Best Buy. Learn the value of a dollar and get a useful education they can appreciate--no "liberal arts majors" need apply.
11 posted on 07/02/2011 8:45:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: LouAvul

I never understood why a republican would want the job. The same goes for president. Both parties have destroyed this country and a total “system restore” is the only thing that will repair it.


12 posted on 07/02/2011 8:47:32 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: LouAvul

I made it thru CA higher ed with no loans and no rich parents. Can’t ply ball either. Like you, I attended community college, then Cal-State.


13 posted on 07/02/2011 8:48:08 PM PDT by umgud
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To: hinckley buzzard

When I attended Modesto Junior College it was $10 a unit. That’s equivalent to being free. There was no way they could keep that up.


14 posted on 07/02/2011 8:48:43 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Moved to L.A. in 1994. Don’t ask why. Went to get tags on the car. I had a choice. Pay to have a smog device installed or pay a fee and not have the device installed. The price to have it installed was, surprise, the exact amount as the fee. The California native standing behind me went ballistic. He suddenly realized that it wasn’t about smog. It was about money.


15 posted on 07/02/2011 8:51:37 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: LouAvul
If those idiots would dump preferred treatment for illegals, eliminate idiot programs like gender equality and sex ed, they could fix the system.

How about cutting professor salaries by 25%?? And that would just be a start.

16 posted on 07/02/2011 8:53:13 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Ted Grant

I can only hope that was tongue in cheek because it makes no sense whatsoever.

The United States is quickly facing a massive problem in that higher education is ridiculously expensive. We really think we’re going to continue to churn out doctors who are 300k in debt and rising?

More loans? Seriously?

The question is 1) why are expenses rising so quickly in colleges across the country and 2) why aren’t unneeded departments being slashed?

It’s time universities quit spending so much money on buildings and pensions and stopped wasting so much money on grants in the form of financial aid and went on a bit of a diet.

Instead they just keep passing it along to the students.

It’s ultimately very unproductive.


17 posted on 07/02/2011 8:53:57 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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Make ‘em work the farms for tuition assistance.


18 posted on 07/02/2011 8:55:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yep, and also people should be aware that despite the rhetoric, college isn’t for everyone. And further, some thought should be given before personally investing in a major.


19 posted on 07/02/2011 8:57:40 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Not tongue in cheek.

First, college isn’t for everyone and students should make a sober evaluation as to whether or not college is even for them.

Then, they should make a sober evaluation about a good, marketable major.

Then, they should make a sober evaluation as to whether or not the degree is a good investment for them.

More loans isn’t the problem. Big loans for worthless degrees is the problem.


20 posted on 07/02/2011 9:00:04 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

“You know, the students could just take more in loans, or get a part time job. Radical ideas, I admit!”

Federal loans are a primary cause of high tuition costs, which have risen at four times the rate of inflation for more than 30 years. Rather than eliminating waste, colleges simply say to students. “Here’s what it costs and here’s how you can go into debt.”


21 posted on 07/02/2011 9:00:22 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: bwc2221

To put a finer point on it, the problem is that we have too many people investing in college degrees that give them no real earning potential.

I took out loans in my time and it was a good investment. I know there is a bias against debt on FR, but that doesn’t mean all college debt is bad. Ulltimately, peoples’ judgment is the problem, and that is what needs to be addressed.


22 posted on 07/02/2011 9:03:55 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: ExtremeUnction
How about cutting professor salaries by 25%??

And they would have to take it. They can't do anything of value in the real world.

23 posted on 07/02/2011 9:04:47 PM PDT by super7man
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To: ExtremeUnction

“How about cutting professor salaries by 25%?? And that would just be a start.”

Bingo, The typical college instructor teaches nine classroom hours a week. Cut their pay or increase the number of classroom hours.


24 posted on 07/02/2011 9:05:24 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: LouAvul

The reason why higher education in California is collapsing is because of command and control socialism.

I am a product of California education and I will tell everybody here that none of it is managed rationally.

The system could save millions if they only allowed in qualified applicants and got rid of remedial education, got rid of all the Marxist, feminist, ethnic studies programs, and forced professors to work more than one course a quarter or semester. These one course a quarter professors are making six figure salaries and work only two days a week for half a year.

Plus, many university campuses look more like 4 star resorts than colleges.

I think if your average Joe Shmoe saw all the waste and liberal privileges that go on at public universities, they would riot in the streets.


25 posted on 07/02/2011 9:08:50 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: LouAvul

“The budget signed Thursday by Gov. Jerry Brown inflicts the latest blow to California’s renowned higher education system, which has helped make the state an economic powerhouse and served as a model for other states and countries.”

No bias there much. I guess if Brown wants to cut the handouts, then he must be as evil as a pub.


26 posted on 07/02/2011 9:20:21 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
The question is 1) why are expenses rising so quickly in colleges across the country and 2) why aren’t unneeded departments being slashed?

The answer to question #1 is because the government keeps increasing aid to education and prices have to rise to absorb all available dollars.

The answer to question #2 is because the educrats do not live in a world of reality like you and I. If you train mechanical engineers to do jobs for industry which actually exist, then it is only fair to train angry lesbians to fill courtroom position which need to be created.

27 posted on 07/02/2011 9:23:42 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: LouAvul

California is now truly getting it’s just deserts. I hope it stings like the rock salt of a shotgun wound on those theiving communist California state and local government goon parasites. I’m sick of them and their excuses, lying, and worse and budget cuts that sting is just what they deserve. Richly deserve! Comeuppance time N-word-Fornia!

Google or YouTube = Solano Communist County


28 posted on 07/02/2011 9:33:22 PM PDT by Tea Party Reveler
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To: LouAvul

I transferred to UC Berkeley from a Jr.College in 1949. I was on the G.I. Bill after WWII service. I was an out of state student. My charges were ,as I recall, $65.00 for student fees and $350.00 per nonresident per semester. Greatest gold mine strike in my life as UC was at the top in my field with great profs, many Nobel winners. It has been amazing to me as a resdent of California since that such a great university in a previously wealthy state has not been able to give its native children the benefits of a low cost education which I received.


29 posted on 07/02/2011 9:38:29 PM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: Ted Grant

Higher Education will be the next housing bubble and for roughly the same reasons. It became popular to believe everyone had to have a college degree, just as everyone had to own a house whether they could afford it or not, and the govt got involved in providing the loans to make sure they had one.


30 posted on 07/02/2011 9:48:37 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: CaspersGh0sts
It’s time universities quit spending so much money on buildings and pensions and stopped wasting so much money on grants in the form of financial aid and went on a bit of a diet.

At some point Universities in America became businesses and ceased being educational. It's all about the money.

31 posted on 07/02/2011 9:49:25 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: EDINVA

I agree with you, but I’m just saying that acknowledging this doesn’t mean taking educational loans out is a mistake for everyone.


32 posted on 07/02/2011 9:51:19 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: umgud

I am a graduate in Mechanical Engineering from UC Berkeley and I hate the place.
It is a sham as an institution of higher learning. The professors in the College of
Engineering almost don’t teach. Instead, they hire Teaching Assistants (most of mine were from India) to run their classes while they draw down $500k a year and work on their pet research grants (more government money. Far from a wonderful system, the System of “Higher Education” in California is, like most of the rest of the country, a RAT ship for lazy liberals who have convinced other lazy liberals that they actually know something. Oh, and just so you know, I went there when Jerry the Fairy’s father was governor and it was (and still is) the same when one of my kids went there.


33 posted on 07/02/2011 10:04:01 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: radpolis

Absolutely.
I know a person who teaches one class EVERY OTHER semester, and is paid 6 figures. He teaches art. He supposedly does ‘research’ (don’t know what that would entail in art) but mainly he runs a graphic arts business on the side and travels a lot.


34 posted on 07/02/2011 10:06:41 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: Ted Grant

They should just take more loans. By the time they come due the whole shootin match will have collapsed. Get any loan you can. You can pay it back with worthless Obamabucks.


35 posted on 07/02/2011 10:13:42 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Ted Grant

I’m on board with that. An extremely capable, dedicated and/or gifted student taking on loans with a specific goal in mind makes total sense. But for a directionless kid who has no clue of what s/he wants to do makes no sense. The latter is better off working for a couple of years and trying to find focus and direction.

3 young people I know went thru the 4 year degree programs at good schools, because that was what was expected of them. They came out not knowing what they wanted to do, After 3-4 years they each had a calling to go in an entirely different direction from what their degrees had prepared them to do. They returned at 25-26 for further schooling in the areas they were attracted to. Whatever loans they may have taken for the 2nd phase of their educations was worth every last dime.


36 posted on 07/02/2011 10:29:07 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: LouAvul
College Conspiracy
37 posted on 07/02/2011 10:46:46 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: GeronL

“I have no problem with people being charged for their own education. These idiots will riots if they have to spend an extra buck.

Nor do I, but in California we are extensively taxed in order to make a super low tuition for our UC system.

For our California students.

So now they take the extensive taxes AND keep raising the rates, what do you know, they are taking it out of both ends as usual.


38 posted on 07/02/2011 11:23:41 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: LouAvul

1. The University of California supports giving in-state tuition breaks to illegal aliens.

2. The University of California keeps trying to punish the most qualified applicants by doing everything it can to get around the ban on affirmative action admissions.

3. A few years ago, UC-Berkeley Police Chief Victoria Harrison left with a lump sum $2.1-million retirement package only to be rehired for her old job at a higher salary. Despite supposed reforms, there are still hundreds of retirees who are double-dipping by working again for the University.

As a graduate of the University of California system, I say screw ‘em. The University has proven over and over again that it neither needs nor deserves the taxpayer’s money.


39 posted on 07/02/2011 11:42:27 PM PDT by Rybashka
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To: LouAvul

Cal State Fullerton and Fullerton Municipal are among my transcripts. It was a truly great system in the 70s.


40 posted on 07/03/2011 2:43:40 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: jimfree

But it was essentially free. Free goods become abused and distorted.


41 posted on 07/03/2011 2:45:29 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: LouAvul

...”I attended the community college system and Cal State. If those idiots would dump preferred treatment for illegals, eliminate idiot programs like gender equality and sex ed, they could fix the system”...

I watched John Stossel’s special on the college “scam” last night. It was impressive and America needs to know how the government is helping these very well off schools to rip off our young people, leaving them with huge debts to pay for many years of their lives after college, and giving them little to show for it..Certainly, many, especially the Ivy-Leagues, teach mostly left-wing hate during those college years, with a professor population as high as 30:1, Democrat to Republican. The politically correct rules in many institutions are insane, with very little freedom of speech and these are rules which do not stand up when aired in court. In addition, the problem of tenure is the elephant in the room. Tenure is a very destructive thing for education. It is held over the heads of professors and if they do not dance to the ideological drum, they do not get it..Then, they might as well move on. Higher education has ripped off states, families and our nation with the insanity and the states will lead the way toward correcting the fiasco. I am guessing that technical schools which teach students REAL skills will become very popular but will not have the capacity to handle the applications. Perhaps the best of all training will come back through apprentice ships and self-teaching..The sex ed and gender equality will go when the wolf comes to enough doors in our nation. Insanity only lasts while times are good.
Stossel also spent time talking about the huge endowements some of these schools have but, still, they hit the Alumni up for donations..He says he doesn’t give anything to Princeton because they are very rich. He says he is going to give his charitable donation to a place which needs the money. On this July 4th, we need to determine that we are going to stand for our freedom once more, because, in my lifetime, it has never been more threatened from within than it is now.


42 posted on 07/03/2011 4:04:01 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: LouAvul
California's renowned higher education system, which has helped make the state an economic powerhouse

ROTFLMOA! - which part of that system then made the state into the economic basket case that it is now, with businesses and productive people fleeing in ever increasing numbers?

43 posted on 07/03/2011 4:20:20 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: LouAvul

California’s renowned higher education system.
Jay Leno call them Jay walkers how true.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 5:30:13 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: LouAvul
fees will increase from $26 to $36 per unit.

$26 per unit?!
45 posted on 07/03/2011 6:51:09 AM PDT by andyk (Interstate <> Intrastate)
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To: ExtremeUnction
How about cutting professor salaries by 25%?? And that would just be a start.

This is only part of it. At any given time, half of the profs are off on fully paid sabbaticals. They only teach one course at a time at UC and a couple of courses at CalState schools when they are there. Most of the teaching is done by (non-union) adjuncts and grad students.

The admin is of course huge and all the janitors etc are full unionized and get outrageous pay and benefits.

I think students should claim they are illegals and go to the state schools at other states that will give them in-state tuition.
46 posted on 07/04/2011 10:13:53 AM PDT by fifedom
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