Posted on 07/01/2011 2:08:04 PM PDT by girlangler
Cry me a river.
MHG,
This pertains to the hatchery in ERwin.
You don’t fund these, anglers do — with excise taxes on fishing equipment. It’s been a battle for years because the USFWS wants to turn them into hatcheries to propagate endangered mussels, etc. They won’t close the hatcheries, will quit using them for mitigation.
Again, anglers, in the 1950s, lobbied Congress to tax their equipment — and this money was specifically to be used for these mitigation purposes. This is the LAW.
“I like to fish as much as the next guy but fer cryin’ out loud WE ARE BROKE!”
Yep. They need to be looking to get rid of Departments, agencies, not just programs. Lots of duplications—even Obama joked, in a speech, how many different and unrelated departments were involved with salmon. Real funny...
Women and children fish hardest hit!
I'm an angler, too sweetie. I pay those taxes, just like you do.
Again, anglers, in the 1950s, lobbied Congress to tax their equipment — and this money was specifically to be used for these mitigation purposes.
And the anglers believed Congress. Suckers.
End these Federal programs now. Devolve them to the States where they belong. The words "fish hatcheries" don't appear a single time in the US Constitution.
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When did fish hatcheries ever Constitutionally come under the responsibility of government? Why not chicken hatcheries? Lizard hatcheries?
“When did fish hatcheries ever Constitutionally come under the responsibility of government? Why not chicken hatcheries? Lizard hatcheries?”
1st, what makes you think there are no lizard hatcheries? 2nd, ask Teddy Roosevelt, he set up the national park system and saved the bison and it has expanded from there.
I would rather see another lizard hatchery than another midnight basketball program. At least the lizards would appreciate it.
We can look forward to an unending stream of these threatened dire consequences if the budget is cut. National Parks will close, fish hatcheries will close, food inspections will end, etc etc etc. Social security checks will be delayed, applications for social security and other benefits will be delayed, lines at airport security screenings will be three times as long, air traffic control will be compromised, you name it - if it scares the public, it will be threatened as a likely consequence of budget cuts.
You will not here, of course, that the pay of federal civil serpents, already 150% of the pay of comparable private sector employees, will be pared back by 2.5%, or that they’ll have to wait another year to retire, or that completely useless departments like the Education will suffer so much as a 5% reduction in their budgets, since none of those things are likely to happen.
lets keep them at their current benefits too and infact, lets increase them so their fat arses are really happy...
the price of this lavish obscenty known as the govt wage/benefit/pension bonanza is that fish hatcheries,parks, zoos,gardens, libraries,roads,trails,bike paths, museums,aquariums, etc will suffer and cut hours or even close....WE CAN'T AFFORD THESE LUXERIES WHEN WE'RE PAYING FULL RETIREMENT WAGES/BENEFITS FOR 50 YRO GOVT WORKERS...
The fish were absolutely fine BEFORE hatcheries.
We don’t need no stinkin’ hatcheries!
About 1870s I think. Also when dams were being built it destroyed a lot of fisheries, so the government CREATED the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to raise fish that could survive in the cold waters below dams.
The Wallop Breaux excise tax dollars I mentioned earlier were developed after sportsman lobbied Congress to levy a tax on them to finance lake/river access areas/boat launches, and to stock fish for recreation. Not one dime of this money comes from the federal budget. Much like the Pittman Robertson funds on hunting equipment that has restored populations of wildlife that were almost extinct.
These hatcheries, if you read the story, create jobs and revenue. This is not like an entitlement or welfare. Anglers pay for this, and in turn communities benefit.
ping
Sorry, and I don’t mean to be ugly, but you do not know what you are talking about. Read the story. The hatcheries are not costing taxpayers (except anglers) anything They MAKE MONEY, create jobs, etc.
If you don’t buy fishing equipment its not costing you a dime. Fishing licenses go to state agencies — not federal, so license money doesn’t pay for them.
And fish were not fine before hatcheries. Damming rivers ended lots of native fisheries and the hatchery stocking was for mitigation for those lost fisheries.
Cut it ALL!!!!!
If it is not: defense, customs (border security), or public safety (fire, police, food safety); I say cut it out - we just cannot afford it anymore!
Education, parks, libraries, healthcare, retirement plans, etc. etc are things the goobermint should NOT be involved with!
Privatize them
It looks like a lot of people on this thread don't understand that these funds DO NOT come from the feds, but from fishing license revenues, as you point out in the article.
Thanks for the education on this issue... and the ping!
girlangler,
I thought fisheries were paid for by Licence fees?
Fishing licences, lobster stamps, crayfish stamps, even hunting licences?
But, I’ve been wrong MANY times before,
Lately I’ve been trolling behind my sailboat. Funny as can b when I sail by a couple fishing boats and get a double knockdown right in front of em. :-)
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